Super-NATO

[Blazedtown]

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I'm fine with Terran Confederation.
Or Sol Alliance

We'll compromise.

Sol Imperium of Mankind's Confederation.

[Napkiraly]

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I'm fine with Terran Confederation.
Or Sol Alliance

Earth Alliance.
Because B5. *nods*

Union of Allied Planets once we colonize other planetary bodies. *nod*

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What about militar-izing the EU?

EDIT: Wait, they already have CSDP

[Blazedtown]

What about militar-izing the EU?

EDIT: Wait, they already have CSDP

DP?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What about militar-izing the EU?

EDIT: Wait, they already have CSDP

DP?

Common Security and Defence Policy

FEDIT: Interesting stuff:



Purple - NATO + EU
Orange - NATO only
Blue - EU only

[Distruzio]

(Obviously the name can be changed, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.)
Should NATO be expanded in scope to no longer merely cover North America and Europe, but also to expand westwards (to potentially include Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, etc and eventually if it's feasible, India and such.) And Southwards to potentially include South American democracies?

(Essentially, an alliance of the Westerners.)
With the slight decline in US and European power following the cold war, and the seeming rise in Russia and Chinese power, i'm of the opinion that the hegenomic influence of the alliance must be expanded further to properly cover all western friendly nations.

We must face facts. The UN, while having done an admirable job in world health and such, is not the human rights guarantor that it was established to be. NATO as it currently stands is too weak to continue under that mantle.

The expansion of NATO would also help with global stability and security, as well as make our global power projection greater.

I'm also of the opinion that NATO should put more focus into standardization of equipment so as to make it's units, equipment, and armies interchangable.

Such an action at this time would also send a very clear message to the Russians about what their Crimean shenanigans won them. A vastly expanded NATO (Precisely the thing they were worried about in the first place, thus turning this into a strategic failure and defeat for the Russians if we explicitly said this was why we are forming super-nato.)

This deals with the purely military aspects of a super-NATO, even if personally i'd also throw on top of that trade agreements so as to bind our economies together.
What do you think NSG?

So... a return to the Cold War era where the West assumes the right of force projection while becoming indignant that the other world regions would respond accordingly?

I like it.

You're suggesting a return to a multipolarity in world political and economic authority. I agree with you.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Does anyone know, to what degree are EU Battlegroups and the European Gendarmerie Force actual combat-capable , meaningful organizations as opposed to just political attempts of being friendly & courteous?

[Distruzio]

I think at that point a world federation is needed.

Ew. Cosmopolitanism.

Tell me, what structure of government do you envision for this federation? If its democratic in structure, then I have to ask - who do you think will be expropriated by the greatly more populated asian nations? Why, the Western nations, of course! Is your western guilt (think "white guilt") so bad that you want to see the West destroyed?

No World Federation. Not now. Not ever.

[Distruzio]

What makes you think that? Half of the nations in this world can't even get along (e.g. China and Taiwan, North and South Korea, Russia and Ukraine, Israel and Palestine, India and Pakistan, etc.)

Yeah they don't get along now. But we've more world unity now than we did 20 years ago.

By what measure?

It won't happen anytime soon, but it will happen eventually. These continental/trade blocs are just the beginning.

Or... perhaps they're in contrast to the rise of the United States and the European Union in response to the absence of the Soviet Union?

As technology increases and we get closer to a type 1 civilisation, world unity will have to happen.

Type 1 civilization? What is that?

The question isn't if world unity will happen. The question is when, and under what political form.

Preferably, an imploded one.

[The blood ravens]

Imperium of Mankind.

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I'm fine with Terran Confederation.
Or Sol Alliance

The United Earth Directorate or the Terran Dominion.

[Immoren]

Earth Alliance.
Because B5. *nods*

Union of Allied Planets once we colonize other planetary bodies. *nod*

Silly Nap. It's still EA after we colonize other planetary bodies.

[Blazedtown]

Union of Allied Planets once we colonize other planetary bodies. *nod*

Silly Nap. It's still EA after we colonize other planetary bodies.

If it doesn't have a God Emperor, you're a heretic.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Could someone explain to me why Norway isn't in the EU and Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO ???

[Viritica]

To what?

I don't think there's any other name quite as catchy as NATO.

OTAN.

Nah.

[Distruzio]

Could someone explain to me why Norway isn't in the EU and Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO ???

They don't want to be. The EU might be too much an imposition on the Swedish culture (politically)? Of course... I'm not Sweden so I'm making an uneducated guess. Which makes my opinion on the matter about as worthless as low quality toilet paper.

As for Nato... no clue.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

We could keep the acronym but change the name to Not Assholes Treaty Organization.

[Immoren]

To what?

I don't think there's any other name quite as catchy as NATO.

OTAN.

Which mean along lines of "I (shall) take" in Finnish.

Finland aren't in NATO ???

Because Cold War never ended here. *nods*

Silly Nap. It's still EA after we colonize other planetary bodies.

If it doesn't have a God Emperor, you're a heretic.

EA is too early in history to have God-Emperor.

[Blazedtown]

Could someone explain to me why Norway isn't in the EU and Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO ???

Sweden isn't in NATO because any Swede with a spine either went to other countries as Vikings or later to America. Finland isn't NATO because they pledged that Finland's existence as a country would never pose a threat to Leningrad. No idea on why Norway isn't in the EU.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Could someone explain to me why Norway isn't in the EU and Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO ???

Sweden isn't in NATO because any Swede with a spine either went to other countries as Vikings or later to America. Finland isn't NATO because they pledged that Finland's existence as a country would never pose a threat to Leningrad. No idea on why Norway isn't in the EU.

lawl who gives a fuck what they pledged. Why haven't they screwed over the Russians already?

[Distruzio]

Sweden isn't in NATO because any Swede with a spine either went to other countries as Vikings or later to America. Finland isn't NATO because they pledged that Finland's existence as a country would never pose a threat to Leningrad. No idea on why Norway isn't in the EU.

lawl who gives a fuck what they pledged. Why haven't they screwed over the Russians already?

Maybe a look at the map will help you with that question?

[Immoren]

Sweden isn't in NATO because any Swede with a spine either went to other countries as Vikings or later to America. Finland isn't NATO because they pledged that Finland's existence as a country would never pose a threat to Leningrad. No idea on why Norway isn't in the EU.

lawl who gives a fuck what they pledged. Why haven't they screwed over the Russians already?

"All i have in this World is my balls and my word and I don't break 'em for no one."

And easy for you there to shout things like that.

[Hladgos]

I doubt this is going to happen any time soon, because nations want their sovereignty on the global stage.

[Yanalia]

I don't see NATO as the emblem of everything the world should strive to emulate, so I don't really view its continued expansion of influence as positive.

[Terra Sector Union]

I think at that point a world federation is needed.

World Government is inevitable. I don't care what the nationalists say or the ethnic/cultural preservationists say; the world will be ruled by an iron fist and the borders will dissolve by the end of the century.

[Soled]

Could someone explain to me why Norway isn't in the EU and Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO ???

Norway voted to become a member of the EU. Twice. Failed miserably.