NATION

PASSWORD

Super-NATO

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

It are all belong to who?

Yes, NATO should be expanded to include other westernized democratic nations in asia, oceania, and south america.
147
50%
Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into asia.
7
2%
Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into south america.
7
2%
Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into oceania.
0
No votes
No, NATO should not be expanded outside north america and europe.
83
28%
NATO should submit to Equestrian rule.
48
16%
 
Total votes : 292

User avatar
Libertarian California
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10637
Founded: May 31, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:15 am

If NATO were to expand (which it shouldn't), it should include more of Europe.

Similar relationships/organizations should be established for Australia, New Zealand, and Japan (and these already already exist).

However, I think that the AUSCANNZUKUS alliance should be strengthened, by a lot.
Last edited by Libertarian California on Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
I'm a trans-beanstalk giantkin. My pronouns are fee/fie/foe/fum.

American nationalist

I am the infamous North California (DEATed 11/13/12). Now in the NS "Hall of Fame", or whatever
(Add 2137 posts)

On the American Revolution
Everyone should watch this video

User avatar
EverywhereAndNowhere
Secretary
 
Posts: 27
Founded: Jan 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby EverywhereAndNowhere » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:18 am

Blazedtown wrote:
EverywhereAndNowhere wrote:And he ended up inspiring millions of people to be better at everything they can be. And the world is so much better because of it.


Or countless millions of dead over the last 2000 years depending on how you look at it. Jesus was just one Jew who got martyred by the Romans and ended up famous. Do you really think he would pleased with the Crusades? or the Hundred Years War or the Thirty Years war, or the countless atrocities committed in his name over the centuries? Religion is just the world's first propaganda agency. What better way for a chieftain to secure his position than by saying that gods gave him his position?

But this is getting off track.


If you expect me to argue against that last post, well, I won't, because you are completely right. Religion is an excuse used by many people who have committed horrible atrocities to others. The crusades, along with many other "Holy Wars," were just people seeking to justify their lust for money and power.
However, I wasn't talking about any of these world leaders, people that advertise their religion as an excuse to do what they want. I'm talking about the millions of normal people you pass in your everyday life, people whose lives were changed and given new meaning by Jesus Christ, people who now have a reason to live their life the best that they can live it. People like me.

However, yes, I do believe we have gotten quite off track. So, I'll end with what I have just shared, and wish you all luck as you discuss how best to take over the world, and end all peace as we know it.

User avatar
Ereria
Diplomat
 
Posts: 847
Founded: Feb 29, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ereria » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:24 am

Super nato would be usefull because then people wouldn't dare to start wars and shit. Might even bring stability to the middle east.
"Vatan savunmasında gereğinden fazla merhamet vatana ihanettir."
- Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Kılıç kınından çıkmadıkça it sürüsü dağılmaz.

User avatar
Marcurix
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5235
Founded: Nov 01, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Marcurix » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:04 am

Ereria wrote:Super nato would be usefull because then people wouldn't dare to start wars and shit. Might even bring stability to the middle east.


Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
-Voltaire

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
-Winston Churchill

Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.
-Winston Churchill

User avatar
DnalweN acilbupeR
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7409
Founded: Aug 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:53 am

Rio Cana wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Incredibly silly comment especially if it comes from a Romanian as his name would imply. Ukraine's literally on your fucking border, loony.


Romania has historical claims to regions today inside Ukraine. The Soviets took it from them. It was then made part of Soviet Ukraine. Soviets even took some Romanian island near the Danube which ended up in Soviet Ukraine. The Soviets also made sure to have a piece of the Danube river. Romanians not happy about all this even today. Not too long ago, the Romanians and Ukrainians went to the ICJ on some territorial waters demarcation problem.

Has for the Ukrainians, they do not trust the Romanians. This will explain it all.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... rel-ro.htm

This was Romania in 1918.
http://danasboots.files.wordpress.com/2 ... n-1918.png

German, Hungarian, Bulgarian and Soviet pressure caused them to cede territory. After WW II they got parts of it back except the Soviet and it seems the Bulgarian parts.

Romania today
http://www.hotels-europe.com/info-count ... omania.jpg

I do know the Romanian government as a plan to try lure Moldova into rejoining.


I was already aware of most of the stuff you presented there. Not so relevant to the issue at hand though. What do territorial claims into Ukraine have to do with (hating) NATO?
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.

User avatar
DnalweN acilbupeR
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7409
Founded: Aug 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:55 am

Seleucas wrote:Not only should NATO not be expanded, it should, in fact, be abolished. (And all US troops should return to the US.)


No, why'd we do that?
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.

User avatar
The 93rd Coalition
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1356
Founded: Apr 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The 93rd Coalition » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:07 am

Just westernized nations? That seems awfully imperialistic. We should stick with the U.N.. I think the most i'd advocate for as far as a worldwide hegemony would be a U.N. commanded army, but that would be it.

User avatar
New switz empire
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 107
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby New switz empire » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:11 am

We need to unite as there are so many benefits.

User avatar
Cyyro
Diplomat
 
Posts: 762
Founded: Oct 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Cyyro » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:15 am

The 93rd Coalition wrote:Just westernized nations? That seems awfully imperialistic. We should stick with the U.N.. I think the most i'd advocate for as far as a worldwide hegemony would be a U.N. commanded army, but that would be it.


That would take forever to organize and would be impossible to lead, and all the soldiers would have to know English like it was their first language.
Providence and Port Hope wrote:Cyrro later!

Rikatan wrote:
Cyyro wrote:I didn't even know it could get this low..
You. You jinxed it.

The Blaatschapen wrote:The problem with congress is that it is full of politicians.

User avatar
The blood ravens
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9085
Founded: Jun 11, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The blood ravens » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:17 am

New switz empire wrote:We need to unite as there are so many benefits.

Humanity does need to unite if we are to have any hope of expanding beyond earth.
If at first you don't succeed try again with an equally horrible plan.
FT Nation: The Aurelian Imperium

User avatar
San-Silvacian
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12111
Founded: Aug 11, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:18 am

Seleucas wrote:Not only should NATO not be expanded, it should, in fact, be abolished. (And all US troops should return to the US.)


Ron Paul 2012 amirite
░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▄▄▄░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▄▄▄▄
░░░█░░░░▄▀█▀▀▄░░▀▀▀▄░░░░▐█░░░░░░░░░▄▀█▀▀▄░░░▀█▄
░░█░░░░▀░▐▌( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)▐▌░░░▀░░░▐█░░░░░░░░▀░▐▌( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)▐▌░░█▀
░▐▌░░░░░░░▀▄▄▀░░░░░░░░░░▐█▄▄░░░░░░░░░▀▄▄▀░░░░░▐▌
░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
▐█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
▐█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▄░░░▄█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░▐▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀███▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐▌
░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀▄░░░░░░░░░░▄▀░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░█

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37348
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:18 am

Cyyro wrote:
The 93rd Coalition wrote:Just westernized nations? That seems awfully imperialistic. We should stick with the U.N.. I think the most i'd advocate for as far as a worldwide hegemony would be a U.N. commanded army, but that would be it.


That would take forever to organize and would be impossible to lead, and all the soldiers would have to know English like it was their first language.

Why not a Terran language?
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
The 93rd Coalition
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1356
Founded: Apr 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The 93rd Coalition » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:18 am

Benuty wrote:
Cyyro wrote:
That would take forever to organize and would be impossible to lead, and all the soldiers would have to know English like it was their first language.

Why not a Terran language?


Ah, think about that.

User avatar
Cyyro
Diplomat
 
Posts: 762
Founded: Oct 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Cyyro » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:19 am

Benuty wrote:
Cyyro wrote:
That would take forever to organize and would be impossible to lead, and all the soldiers would have to know English like it was their first language.

Why not a Terran language?


That would be better, but we need to work on that however.
Providence and Port Hope wrote:Cyrro later!

Rikatan wrote:
Cyyro wrote:I didn't even know it could get this low..
You. You jinxed it.

The Blaatschapen wrote:The problem with congress is that it is full of politicians.

User avatar
Party Nation Druids
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Apr 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Party Nation Druids » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:23 am

Ereria wrote:Super nato would be usefull because then people wouldn't dare to start wars and shit. Might even bring stability to the middle east.


That was the theory that led to World War 1, the European countries believed if they built up huge armies and formed alliances with each other that no one would dare attack the other.

User avatar
The 93rd Coalition
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1356
Founded: Apr 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The 93rd Coalition » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:25 am

Party Nation Druids wrote:
Ereria wrote:Super nato would be usefull because then people wouldn't dare to start wars and shit. Might even bring stability to the middle east.


That was the theory that led to World War 1, the European countries believed if they built up huge armies and formed alliances with each other that no one would dare attack the other.


http://youtu.be/G2U8yfKM9nY?t=7s
Last edited by The 93rd Coalition on Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:26 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Blazedtown
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15177
Founded: Jun 09, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Blazedtown » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:46 am

Benuty wrote:
Cyyro wrote:
That would take forever to organize and would be impossible to lead, and all the soldiers would have to know English like it was their first language.

Why not a Terran language?


You mean English?
Go Vikings.
Sunnyvale, straight the fuck up.

User avatar
Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1115
Founded: Mar 14, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:59 am

Cyyro wrote:
Benuty wrote:Why not a Terran language?


That would be better, but we need to work on that however.

Whatever it is, we're using the Chinese names for numbers. I hear that they're far easier to learn and use.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/ ... heir-words

USER WAS REDACTED FOR THIS POST
True Neutral
Score: +27.8% Good, +5.1% Chaotic
Link to alignment test
For: Better RP, Gratuitous Swearing, Nederland, Metric System, Secularism, Equal Rights for All, Science, UK, EU, NATO, Royal Navy, Sensible Gun-control, Pro-Choice, DEAT Everyone 2016
Neutral: Ukraine, Israel, China
Against: Imperial Measurement System, Putin, DPRK, Religious Extremism, SJWs, Pseudoscience, Creationism, Sectarianism, Prejudice, Censorship of Legitimate Criticism, Inherited Guilt
(average of 3)
Economic Left/Right: -4.413
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.333

User avatar
Blazedtown
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15177
Founded: Jun 09, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Blazedtown » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:59 am

Assorted sucrose-based lifeforms wrote:
Cyyro wrote:
That would be better, but we need to work on that however.

Whatever it is, we're using the Chinese names for numbers. I hear that they're far easier to learn and use.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/ ... heir-words



English or nothing.
Go Vikings.
Sunnyvale, straight the fuck up.

User avatar
Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1115
Founded: Mar 14, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:07 am

Blazedtown wrote:English or nothing.

Chinese numbers with English everything else would be nice, IMO.

USER WAS REDACTED FOR THIS POST
True Neutral
Score: +27.8% Good, +5.1% Chaotic
Link to alignment test
For: Better RP, Gratuitous Swearing, Nederland, Metric System, Secularism, Equal Rights for All, Science, UK, EU, NATO, Royal Navy, Sensible Gun-control, Pro-Choice, DEAT Everyone 2016
Neutral: Ukraine, Israel, China
Against: Imperial Measurement System, Putin, DPRK, Religious Extremism, SJWs, Pseudoscience, Creationism, Sectarianism, Prejudice, Censorship of Legitimate Criticism, Inherited Guilt
(average of 3)
Economic Left/Right: -4.413
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.333

User avatar
Geilinor
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41328
Founded: Feb 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:08 am

Party Nation Druids wrote:
Ereria wrote:Super nato would be usefull because then people wouldn't dare to start wars and shit. Might even bring stability to the middle east.


That was the theory that led to World War 1, the European countries believed if they built up huge armies and formed alliances with each other that no one would dare attack the other.

Where's the counter-alliance to NATO?
EDIT: CSTO is no match for NATO.
Last edited by Geilinor on Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

User avatar
Blazedtown
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15177
Founded: Jun 09, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Blazedtown » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:08 am

Assorted sucrose-based lifeforms wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:English or nothing.

Chinese numbers with English everything else would be nice, IMO.


No. Arabic numerals. If its not America in space, I don't want anything to do with it.
Go Vikings.
Sunnyvale, straight the fuck up.

User avatar
Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1115
Founded: Mar 14, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:12 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Assorted sucrose-based lifeforms wrote:Chinese numbers with English everything else would be nice, IMO.


No. Arabic numerals. If its not America in space, I don't want anything to do with it.

Arabic numerals, of course, I very much prefer them, but Chinese names for the numerals makes higher numbers easier to learn for kids, and makes arithmetic easier.
I'm just saying, if we have the opportunity to change things about our language, for example, whilst trying to create a universal language, then why not improve the number system when we have the chance?

USER WAS REDACTED FOR THIS POST
True Neutral
Score: +27.8% Good, +5.1% Chaotic
Link to alignment test
For: Better RP, Gratuitous Swearing, Nederland, Metric System, Secularism, Equal Rights for All, Science, UK, EU, NATO, Royal Navy, Sensible Gun-control, Pro-Choice, DEAT Everyone 2016
Neutral: Ukraine, Israel, China
Against: Imperial Measurement System, Putin, DPRK, Religious Extremism, SJWs, Pseudoscience, Creationism, Sectarianism, Prejudice, Censorship of Legitimate Criticism, Inherited Guilt
(average of 3)
Economic Left/Right: -4.413
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.333

User avatar
San-Silvacian
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12111
Founded: Aug 11, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:13 am

Geilinor wrote:
Party Nation Druids wrote:
That was the theory that led to World War 1, the European countries believed if they built up huge armies and formed alliances with each other that no one would dare attack the other.

Where's the counter-alliance to NATO?
EDIT: CSTO is no match for NATO.


Dissolved in 1991 :(
░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▄▄▄░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▄▄▄▄
░░░█░░░░▄▀█▀▀▄░░▀▀▀▄░░░░▐█░░░░░░░░░▄▀█▀▀▄░░░▀█▄
░░█░░░░▀░▐▌( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)▐▌░░░▀░░░▐█░░░░░░░░▀░▐▌( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)▐▌░░█▀
░▐▌░░░░░░░▀▄▄▀░░░░░░░░░░▐█▄▄░░░░░░░░░▀▄▄▀░░░░░▐▌
░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
▐█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
▐█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▄░░░▄█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░▐▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀███▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐▌
░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀▄░░░░░░░░░░▄▀░░░░░░░░░░░░█
░░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░█

User avatar
Geilinor
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41328
Founded: Feb 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:15 am

San-Silvacian wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Where's the counter-alliance to NATO?
EDIT: CSTO is no match for NATO.


Dissolved in 1991 :(

Actually, there is a new organization, but is nothing compared to NATO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization Russia just likes to think that it's more powerful than it really is.
Last edited by Geilinor on Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Corporate Collective Salvation, HISPIDA, Kaumudeen, Kerwa, Kostane, Kubra, Misdainana, Nu Elysium, Nyoskova, Rusozak, San Lumen, Shearoa, Shrillland, The Black Forrest, The Jamesian Republic, The Lone Alliance, Trollgaard, Uiiop

Advertisement

Remove ads