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Yes, NATO should be expanded to include other westernized democratic nations in asia, oceania, and south america.
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Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into asia.
7
2%
Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into south america.
7
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Yes, NATO should be expanded, but not into oceania.
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No votes
No, NATO should not be expanded outside north america and europe.
83
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NATO should submit to Equestrian rule.
48
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Total votes : 292

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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:11 pm

Dear complete strangers who think a "World Federation" will be accepted by "everyone",

I think it is possible that a World Federation will appear at the end of the century (Or in two centuries at maximum), but no matter the efforts in convincing humanity to unite together, there WILL ALWAYS be people or groups that will temporarily OR constantly oppose this imaginary "World Federation".

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying not everyone will agree on the idea, pacifically...or violently.

Humans are known for that.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:12 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:Dear complete strangers who think a "World Federation" will be accepted by "everyone",

I think it is possible that a World Federation will appear at the end of the century (Or in two centuries at maximum), but no matter the efforts in convincing humanity to unite together, there WILL ALWAYS be people or groups that will temporarily OR constantly oppose this imaginary "World Federation".

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying not everyone will agree on the idea, pacifically...or violently.

Humans are known for that.

We will never be truly united. On Earth anyway.

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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:15 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
-The Trade Federation- wrote:Dear complete strangers who think a "World Federation" will be accepted by "everyone",

I think it is possible that a World Federation will appear at the end of the century (Or in two centuries at maximum), but no matter the efforts in convincing humanity to unite together, there WILL ALWAYS be people or groups that will temporarily OR constantly oppose this imaginary "World Federation".

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying not everyone will agree on the idea, pacifically...or violently.

Humans are known for that.

We will never be truly united. On Earth anyway.


True.

And the day humanity will truly begin the exploration and colonization of other planets (And maybe even the Oort Cloud or the Alpha Centauri system if we get REALLY lucky), this imaginary "world federation" would quickly shatter due to planets wanting their independance or megacorporations owning ENTIRE moons, planets or asteroids.

That's just my guess, though.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:17 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:We will never be truly united. On Earth anyway.


True.

And the day humanity will truly begin the exploration and colonization of other planets (And maybe even the Oort Cloud or the Alpha Centauri system if we get REALLY lucky), this imaginary "world federation" would quickly shatter due to planets wanting their independance or megacorporations owning ENTIRE moons, planets or asteroids.

That's just my guess, though.

And when humans land on another celestial body, there will be complete human unity on that planet for a few seconds.

Then, they'll start bickering about where to place the flag.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:18 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:We will never be truly united. On Earth anyway.


True.

And the day humanity will truly begin the exploration and colonization of other planets (And maybe even the Oort Cloud or the Alpha Centauri system if we get REALLY lucky), this imaginary "world federation" would quickly shatter due to planets wanting their independance or megacorporations owning ENTIRE moons, planets or asteroids.

That's just my guess, though.

At which point the Earth Federation will transform into the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE (for a safe and secure society)!!!
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:19 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:Dear complete strangers who think a "World Federation" will be accepted by "everyone",

I think it is possible that a World Federation will appear at the end of the century (Or in two centuries at maximum), but no matter the efforts in convincing humanity to unite together, there WILL ALWAYS be people or groups that will temporarily OR constantly oppose this imaginary "World Federation".

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying not everyone will agree on the idea, pacifically...or violently.

Humans are known for that.


Which is why these cosmopolitans are, in reality, advocating a world wide war for dominance. It didn't work for the Romans, Napoleon, the Nazis, the Soviet Union, or the Americans. Why would it work later? Because folks have a hard on for political monopoly?
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:22 pm

If anything it should be disbanded.
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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:23 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
-The Trade Federation- wrote:
True.

And the day humanity will truly begin the exploration and colonization of other planets (And maybe even the Oort Cloud or the Alpha Centauri system if we get REALLY lucky), this imaginary "world federation" would quickly shatter due to planets wanting their independance or megacorporations owning ENTIRE moons, planets or asteroids.

That's just my guess, though.

At which point the Earth Federation will transform into the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE (for a safe and secure society)!!!


It is absolutely impossible for a "Galactic Empire" (Well, with a federal government) to exist without shattering in less than a YEAR. For a "Galactic Empire" to actually exist, it would have to be a confederation, with planets, moons and big asteroids that have lots and lots of autonomy.

And even if a Galactic Empire with a confederation system would actually work (which is still barely feasible, although more realistic than a "galactic empire" with a federal (or central) government), powerful megacorporations would start whining about the fact they want their own planets or moons or asteroids. And if megacorporations are in space, its because they have neat private armies.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:23 pm

North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Let those first two words sink in for a bit.

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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:24 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:If anything it should be disbanded.

What would that accomplish?

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Postby Britanno » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:24 pm

Definitely, there is no reason why countries like Australia shouldn't be members of NATO.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:26 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:At which point the Earth Federation will transform into the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE (for a safe and secure society)!!!


It is absolutely impossible for a "Galactic Empire" (Well, with a federal government) to exist without shattering in less than a YEAR. For a "Galactic Empire" to actually exist, it would have to be a confederation, with planets, moons and big asteroids that have lots and lots of autonomy.

And even if a Galactic Empire with a confederation system would actually work (which is still barely feasible, although more realistic than a "galactic empire" with a federal (or central) government), powerful megacorporations would start whining about the fact they want their own planets or moons or asteroids. And if megacorporations are in space, its because they have neat private armies.

Which is why the Emperor should be given UNLIMITED POWAAAH in the form of a moon-sized battle station that can blow up planets.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:26 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:If anything it should be disbanded.

What would that accomplish?

And for what reason should it even contemplate disbanding!

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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:27 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
-The Trade Federation- wrote:
It is absolutely impossible for a "Galactic Empire" (Well, with a federal government) to exist without shattering in less than a YEAR. For a "Galactic Empire" to actually exist, it would have to be a confederation, with planets, moons and big asteroids that have lots and lots of autonomy.

And even if a Galactic Empire with a confederation system would actually work (which is still barely feasible, although more realistic than a "galactic empire" with a federal (or central) government), powerful megacorporations would start whining about the fact they want their own planets or moons or asteroids. And if megacorporations are in space, its because they have neat private armies.

Which is why the Emperor should be given UNLIMITED POWAAAH in the form of a moon-sized battle station that can blow up planets.


I'm speaking using realistic models, not Stars Wars.

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:27 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:If anything it should be disbanded.

What would that accomplish?


Nothing for you, but for me it would signal the end of American dominance over European defense and foreign policy and thus the beginning of a marginally better epoch, I despise the hypocrisy embodied by NATO and believe they have wrought nothing but harm. The entity the organization was founded to protect against no longer exists and now it is merely a conduit for American wars and misguided attempts at regime change.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:27 pm

Seaxeland wrote:North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Let those first two words sink in for a bit.

Where does it say NATO membership should be limited to nations bordering the North Atlantic?
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:28 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Divair2 wrote:What would that accomplish?

And for what reason should it even contemplate disbanding!


It would not, because it obviously wants to preserve its own power.

I was contemplating an idealistic hope.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:28 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Let those first two words sink in for a bit.

Where does it say NATO membership should be limited to nations borderin ghr North Atlantic?

Turkey isn't even near the North Atlantic, but it's a member!

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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Divair2 wrote:What would that accomplish?


Nothing for you, but for me it would signal the end of American dominance over European defense and foreign policy and thus the beginning of a marginally better epoch, I despise the hypocrisy embodied by NATO and believe they have wrought nothing but harm. The entity the organization was founded to protect against no longer exists and now it is merely a conduit for American wars and misguided attempts at regime change.

And that power vacuum would be filled by who?

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Postby Darwinish Brentsylvania » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Seaxeland wrote:North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Let those first two words sink in for a bit.

Change the name, and BAM!
Really, I thought they said this in the OP that the name would have to have been changed.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Ok, leaving aside humour and actually deciding to make a serious contribution to this thread for a change (despite the absurd scenario in the OP)...

Distruzio wrote:Which is why these cosmopolitans are, in reality, advocating a world wide war for dominance. It didn't work for the Romans, Napoleon, the Nazis, the Soviet Union, or the Americans. Why would it work later? Because folks have a hard on for political monopoly?

There is actually very good reason to expect that it will eventually work at some point in the future. The world is constantly getting "smaller" - we are moving towards a single global standard in many areas of human activity. We already have a single, ever-more-integrated economic system, an increasingly dominant single language for international communication (English), the beginnings of a single global popular culture, increasingly similar legislation between countries, and so on.

It is logical to expect that, if current trends continue, we will eventually get a single world government as well. Everything else is moving in that direction.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Which is why the Emperor should be given UNLIMITED POWAAAH in the form of a moon-sized battle station that can blow up planets.


I'm speaking using realistic models, not Stars Wars.

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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:And for what reason should it even contemplate disbanding!


It would not, because it obviously wants to preserve its own power.

I was contemplating an idealistic hope.

Your hope is implausible, it would never disband unless it was completely destroyed!

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Postby Indira » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Pretty sure there are a fairly complexed series of existing alliances in place already in Asia and I imagine that expanding NATO in that direction would only really serve to rattle China into a more aggressive nature. Russia is also likely to feel threatened by any such expansion into their former Warsaw Pact allies and again would probably respond aggressively. So not really convinced. Also, pretty sure the UN was never meant as an organisation to protect human rights

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