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by Planeia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:36 pm
by Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:53 pm
Aglardia wrote:Most likely it does; we have found so many potentially habitable exoplanets, and we have only searched an extremely small portion of the entire universe.
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I say there is a good chance due to our universe being so big.
Planeia wrote:It is mathematically improbable that we're the only life in the universe. There has to be some planet, albeit maybe millions of galaxies away, that is able to sustain some form of life, maybe a bunch of living rocks, but at least it would come very close to what we would consider life.
Constantinopolis wrote:The argument that the universe is so big that extraterrestrial life must exist is nonsense. If there are 1000000000000000000000000 habitable planets in the universe, but the likelihood of life coming into existence on a habitable planet is 0.000000000000000000000001, then the number of planets with life would be one. So the sheer number of existing planets, by itself, tells us nothing.
"This haystack is so big there there MUST be a needle somewhere in it" is not a valid argument.
by Personal Freedom » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:57 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Aglardia wrote:Most likely it does; we have found so many potentially habitable exoplanets, and we have only searched an extremely small portion of the entire universe.Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I say there is a good chance due to our universe being so big.Planeia wrote:It is mathematically improbable that we're the only life in the universe. There has to be some planet, albeit maybe millions of galaxies away, that is able to sustain some form of life, maybe a bunch of living rocks, but at least it would come very close to what we would consider life.
I really don't get it. Why is this view so common? It makes no sense to me. As I said,Constantinopolis wrote:The argument that the universe is so big that extraterrestrial life must exist is nonsense. If there are 1000000000000000000000000 habitable planets in the universe, but the likelihood of life coming into existence on a habitable planet is 0.000000000000000000000001, then the number of planets with life would be one. So the sheer number of existing planets, by itself, tells us nothing.
"This haystack is so big there there MUST be a needle somewhere in it" is not a valid argument.
by Planeia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:03 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Aglardia wrote:Most likely it does; we have found so many potentially habitable exoplanets, and we have only searched an extremely small portion of the entire universe.Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I say there is a good chance due to our universe being so big.Planeia wrote:It is mathematically improbable that we're the only life in the universe. There has to be some planet, albeit maybe millions of galaxies away, that is able to sustain some form of life, maybe a bunch of living rocks, but at least it would come very close to what we would consider life.
I really don't get it. Why is this view so common? It makes no sense to me. As I said,Constantinopolis wrote:The argument that the universe is so big that extraterrestrial life must exist is nonsense. If there are 1000000000000000000000000 habitable planets in the universe, but the likelihood of life coming into existence on a habitable planet is 0.000000000000000000000001, then the number of planets with life would be one. So the sheer number of existing planets, by itself, tells us nothing.
"This haystack is so big there there MUST be a needle somewhere in it" is not a valid argument.
by Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:14 pm
Planeia wrote:It's not that we're dismissing the possibility that we could in fact be alone, but to completely dismiss the possibility of other life is irrational based on what I just said, and quite frankly, a lot of people would love to think that there is life somewhere else in the universe.
by Personal Freedom » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:17 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Planeia wrote:It's not that we're dismissing the possibility that we could in fact be alone, but to completely dismiss the possibility of other life is irrational based on what I just said, and quite frankly, a lot of people would love to think that there is life somewhere else in the universe.
And there lies the problem. I would also love it if there was other life in the universe, but I fear that there isn't. And I prefer to assume the worst case scenario until I have some evidence to show otherwise. The worst case scenario is that we are alone, life on Earth is the only life in the universe, and we have an enormous responsibility to take care of it and spread it to other planets, because we are all there is. We are the one tiny little green shoot of life in the great void. We are the only voice in the boundless, eternal silence. We are Life, standing alone against Death. We cannot falter, and we cannot fail.
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by Northwest Slobovia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:24 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Aglardia wrote:Most likely it does; we have found so many potentially habitable exoplanets, and we have only searched an extremely small portion of the entire universe.Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I say there is a good chance due to our universe being so big.Planeia wrote:It is mathematically improbable that we're the only life in the universe. There has to be some planet, albeit maybe millions of galaxies away, that is able to sustain some form of life, maybe a bunch of living rocks, but at least it would come very close to what we would consider life.
I really don't get it. Why is this view so common? It makes no sense to me. As I said,Constantinopolis wrote:The argument that the universe is so big that extraterrestrial life must exist is nonsense. If there are 1000000000000000000000000 habitable planets in the universe, but the likelihood of life coming into existence on a habitable planet is 0.000000000000000000000001, then the number of planets with life would be one. So the sheer number of existing planets, by itself, tells us nothing.
by Personal Freedom » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:30 pm
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:
I really don't get it. Why is this view so common? It makes no sense to me. As I said,
However, the Miller-Urey experiment -- and detection of amino acids and nucleic acids in outer space, on comets, and in meteorites -- indicates that the chemistry that forms living things like us is pretty common. So to then conclude that life can't possibly happen anywhere else, one has to reason that despite the fundamental chemstry being easy and abundant elsewhere, there has to be something special about Earth that the same molecules couldn't have assembled into life elsewhere.
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:08 pm
Thafoo wrote:It's nearly impossible that there isn't life of any complexity other than us in the universe.
Their technology level, their intelligence, their advancement, etc. is what's interesting to think about.
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by Dragomere » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:13 pm
by Distruzio » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:18 pm
by Svendborg- » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:18 pm
by Republic of Coldwater » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:19 pm
by Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:24 pm
Distruzio wrote:Absolutely. Even the Bible says so. Let no bible thumper tell you otherwise. Angels are not terrestrial. Neither are demons.
by Distruzio » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:25 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Distruzio wrote:Absolutely. Even the Bible says so. Let no bible thumper tell you otherwise. Angels are not terrestrial. Neither are demons.
Ummmm... angels and demons are not aliens... In fact they are very clearly described as "bodiless powers". They are souls without bodies.
(but this is off-topic, I know)
by Personal Freedom » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:25 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Distruzio wrote:Absolutely. Even the Bible says so. Let no bible thumper tell you otherwise. Angels are not terrestrial. Neither are demons.
Ummmm... angels and demons are not aliens... In fact they are very clearly described as "bodiless powers". They are souls without bodies.
(but this is off-topic, I know)
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:46 pm
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by Northwest Slobovia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:55 pm
Personal Freedom wrote:Northwest Slobovia wrote:However, the Miller-Urey experiment -- and detection of amino acids and nucleic acids in outer space, on comets, and in meteorites -- indicates that the chemistry that forms living things like us is pretty common. So to then conclude that life can't possibly happen anywhere else, one has to reason that despite the fundamental chemstry being easy and abundant elsewhere, there has to be something special about Earth that the same molecules couldn't have assembled into life elsewhere.
This is actually incorrect. The experimental atmosphere was later proven inconsistent with the actual atmosphere of Earth at the time.
by God Kefka » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:03 pm
Hakio wrote:Here we will have a debate and discussion on the possible existence of extraterrestrial life, or life beyond our planet. I personally, believe that since our planet is just a speck in a vast universe that life rising out of the primordial muck wasn't a geocentric phenomena to only occur on our planet. But, then again, there will be those who disagree with me and say that there is not any extraterrestrial life beyond our planet, and still others will remain neutral and confide in not knowing. So, I pose this question to you my dear forum followers, from tin foil hat wearers to dreamers to pessimistic skeptics:
Does extraterrestrial life exist?
by Shnercropolis » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:16 am
by New haven america » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:21 am
Constantinopolis wrote:Aglardia wrote:Most likely it does; we have found so many potentially habitable exoplanets, and we have only searched an extremely small portion of the entire universe.Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I say there is a good chance due to our universe being so big.Planeia wrote:It is mathematically improbable that we're the only life in the universe. There has to be some planet, albeit maybe millions of galaxies away, that is able to sustain some form of life, maybe a bunch of living rocks, but at least it would come very close to what we would consider life.
I really don't get it. Why is this view so common? It makes no sense to me. As I said,Constantinopolis wrote:The argument that the universe is so big that extraterrestrial life must exist is nonsense. If there are 1000000000000000000000000 habitable planets in the universe, but the likelihood of life coming into existence on a habitable planet is 0.000000000000000000000001, then the number of planets with life would be one. So the sheer number of existing planets, by itself, tells us nothing.
"This haystack is so big there there MUST be a needle somewhere in it" is not a valid argument.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:27 am
God Kefka wrote:Hakio wrote:Here we will have a debate and discussion on the possible existence of extraterrestrial life, or life beyond our planet. I personally, believe that since our planet is just a speck in a vast universe that life rising out of the primordial muck wasn't a geocentric phenomena to only occur on our planet. But, then again, there will be those who disagree with me and say that there is not any extraterrestrial life beyond our planet, and still others will remain neutral and confide in not knowing. So, I pose this question to you my dear forum followers, from tin foil hat wearers to dreamers to pessimistic skeptics:
Does extraterrestrial life exist?
how am I supposed to know or make a reasonable inference about probability?
by New Waterford » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:30 am
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