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Should virtue be required for females and males?

Yes, a girl worth true love is a good girl.
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No, girls can be naughty.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:41 pm

Gezi Park wrote:Hell no. Who can decide on a specific standard of virtue? I suggest that everyone mind their own business.

Your suggestion is a specific standard of virtue.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:42 pm

Shie wrote:I'm of the opinion that sexual openness has gone too far. The depth of perversion in society is dangerous towards both men and women. The sexualization of other human beings is the root cause of both male and female objectifation. Men and women have their places and abide by the path set forward. Shakespeare put on paper the seven stages of man, it is now my turn to give woman some spotlight. The girl next door, the mother, the wife. She is peaceful in her behavior and her words are never rotten. Her smile stuns her her male companion, courtship is how she's pleased. She's a good girl who loves her mama, she loves horses, and the chairman too. Now I'm free... free to say that culture can be shifted if we had higher standards for our boys and girls.

Should the State enforce traditonal morality to protect the people from themselves? I think the state is required to, virtue makes people- people.


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Postby Bythibus » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:46 pm

Shie wrote:
Anubas wrote:open your eyes. there is everything from women being paid less to women not being able to legally drive.
Of what relevance is this to a male? I don't understand how paying women more improves society.

:palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
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Postby Bythibus » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:48 pm

Shie wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:Hell no. Who can decide on a specific standard of virtue? I suggest that everyone mind their own business.

Your suggestion is a specific standard of virtue.

Pretty sure he's suggesting the opposite there, bud.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:57 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Shie wrote: Of what relevance is this to a male? I don't understand how paying women more improves society.

:palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.

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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:58 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Shie wrote: Of what relevance is this to a male? I don't understand how paying women more improves society.

:palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
I've provided an explanation.
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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:58 pm

Shie wrote:I'm of the opinion that sexual openness has gone too far. The depth of perversion in society is dangerous towards both men and women. The sexualization of other human beings is the root cause of both male and female objectifation.


Boo Hoo, its the persons problem if they can't treat people decently, we are a sexual species, just look at our family, we all bang like nuts, and Humans have a monopoly amongst apes because we overpopulated this rock.

Hm...now that I think about it, kinda right, we should tone it down a bit until we get a space victory.
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The Most Important Issue Result - "Robosexual marriages are increasingly common."

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Postby Bythibus » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:58 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote: :palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.

Mhm. I see. Nope. Goodbye.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:02 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Shie wrote:Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.

Mhm. I see. Nope. Goodbye.

"Hyper-extension of the ego of a megalomaniac female with a strong desire for ruling the world." And do just what, exactly?

I've won, good day.

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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:04 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Mhm. I see. Nope. Goodbye.

"Hyper-extension of the ego of a megalomaniac female with a strong desire for ruling the world." And do just what, exactly?

I've won, good day.

lol
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/// A.N.N. \\\
News - 10/27/2558: Deglassing of Reach is going smoother than expected. | First prototype laser rifle is beginning experimentation. | The Sangheili Civil War is officially over, Arbiter Thel'Vadam and his Swords of Sanghelios have successfully eliminated remaining Covenant cells on Sanghelios. | President Ruth Charet to hold press meeting within the hour on the end of the Sangheili Civil War. | The Citadel Council official introduces the Unggoy as a member of the Citadel.

The Most Important Issue Result - "Robosexual marriages are increasingly common."

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Anubas
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Postby Anubas » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:12 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote: :palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.

even if we are not the same, your sex should not factor into your paycheck. your sex does not determine your skill or how much you should be paid; that depends on the individual.

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Mhm. I see. Nope. Goodbye.

"Hyper-extension of the ego of a megalomaniac female with a strong desire for ruling the world." And do just what, exactly?

I've won, good day.

you'll find out once she's ruling over you.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:16 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote: :palm: Pathetic. Simply pathetic. Women are equals to men, we deserve equal treatment.
Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.


Holy shit in a basket.

I have heard other sexist things, but this takes the entire cake.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:19 pm

Anubas wrote:even if we are not the same, your sex should not factor into your paycheck. your sex does not determine your skill or how much you should be paid; that depends on the individual.
Not all individuals should have to work.
I don't like seeing girls coarsened by labor.
Shie wrote:you'll find out once she's ruling over you.

She already does, I am no God.

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Anubas
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Postby Anubas » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:22 pm

Shie wrote:
Anubas wrote:even if we are not the same, your sex should not factor into your paycheck. your sex does not determine your skill or how much you should be paid; that depends on the individual.
Not all individuals should have to work.
I don't like seeing girls coarsened by labor.
Shie wrote:you'll find out once she's ruling over you.

She already does, I am no God.

if a woman wants or has to work let her. fuck gender roles that suggest that men should work and women should stay at home. they are harmful and unrealistic.

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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:21 pm

Anubas wrote:
Shie wrote:Not all individuals should have to work.
I don't like seeing girls coarsened by labor.

She already does, I am no God.

if a woman wants or has to work let her. fuck gender roles that suggest that men should work and women should stay at home. they are harmful and unrealistic.

They're not harmful for most people, only the outliers.

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Postby The ivain isles » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:10 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:Yes. The state should legislate morality. They can start with the "mind your own damn business" amendment.

If they did, wouldn't that end all bankruptcy laws?
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:16 pm

Your poll is broken as it is a false dichotomy.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:36 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shie wrote:Equal in what way, exactly? Not everyone woman is everyone man's equal, it's impossible for the sexes to be the same in any meaningful biological and social sense. In fact, it was once said that when a woman became a "man's equal", she becomes his superior. Heterosexuals of the opposite sex have competing interests. It's written in our dimorphism.


Holy shit in a basket.

I have heard other sexist things, but this takes the entire cake.

I said nothing sexist.

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Postby Squeeheart » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:41 pm

Shie wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Holy shit in a basket.

I have heard other sexist things, but this takes the entire cake.

I said nothing sexist.

BULLSHIT

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Postby The ivain isles » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:46 pm

Shie wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Holy shit in a basket.

I have heard other sexist things, but this takes the entire cake.

I said nothing sexist.


You forgot the fundamental rule of politics, only women have the right to be sexist, otherwise, that would be negative discrimination.
I probably hate everything you stand for. (and on)

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Why I want to destroy the very fabric of society

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Postby Alizeria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:47 pm

Shie wrote:I'm of the opinion that sexual openness has gone too far. The depth of perversion in society is dangerous towards both men and women. The sexualization of other human beings is the root cause of both male and female objectifation. Men and women have their places and abide by the path set forward. Shakespeare put on paper the seven stages of man, it is now my turn to give woman some spotlight. The girl next door, the mother, the wife. She is peaceful in her behavior and her words are never rotten. Her smile stuns her her male companion, courtship is how she's pleased. She's a good girl who loves her mama, she loves horses, and the chairman too. Now I'm free... free to say that culture can be shifted if we had higher standards for our boys and girls.

Should the State enforce traditonal morality to protect the people from themselves? I think the state is required to, virtue makes people- people.


The 15th Century just called. They want their social values back.
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Postby Alizeria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:50 pm

Shie wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Holy shit in a basket.

I have heard other sexist things, but this takes the entire cake.

I said nothing sexist.


Listen mate... I'm no feminist. I'm generally pretty old-fashioned in terms of things I value. Controversially, I even tend to sympathise with men's rights movements.

But even I can see that what you said was blatantly sexist. You're advocating for the social control of women, a separate set of rules for them and, in short, advocating for a set of values which would see them treated as second class citizens.

That is the very definition of sexism.

If you are a sexist, just grow some balls and say it. But you are delusional if you think you're not sexist.
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Late Roman Empire wrote:Draconians often joke that they double-inspect imports of Alizerian lamb for signs of coupling.

New Edom wrote:Did you hear about that Alizerian who said he’d eat some sheep’s balls on a bet? He won the bet, but damn did that sheep kick him.

Hittanryan wrote:What do you call a guy with his hand up a sheep's ass? An Alizerian mechanic.

Schottia wrote:While Belisaria is burning Schottia is watching football and Alizeria is teaching sheep to drive.

Shalum wrote:Alizeria, the one place where it's acceptable to be a lady by day, and a freak in the hay.

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Shie
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:50 pm

Squeeheart wrote:
Shie wrote:I said nothing sexist.

BULLSHIT
I do like some women.

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Postby Bhurrain » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:56 pm

Shie wrote: I do like some women.

I like some men.
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:56 pm

Alizeria wrote:
Shie wrote:I said nothing sexist.


Listen mate... I'm no feminist. I'm generally pretty old-fashioned in terms of things I value. Controversially, I even tend to sympathise with men's rights movements.

But even I can see that what you said was blatantly sexist. You're advocating for the social control of women, a separate set of rules for them and, in short, advocating for a set of values which would see them treated as second class citizens.

That is the very definition of sexism.

If you are a sexist, just grow some balls and say it. But you are delusional if you think you're not sexist.
I don't care for men's rights movements or any rights movement, for that matter. Both of their aims are silly to me. I'm a traditional gender role advocate.

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