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Should virtue be required for females and males?

Yes, a girl worth true love is a good girl.
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No, girls can be naughty.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:14 pm

The Flood wrote:
Liriena wrote:And the last devoted Catholic republican candidate (whose name must not be googled) was remarkably unpopular amongst Catholic voters.
As for the female vote... yeah, I'm sure the women who his party has worked really hard to deny them their human rights will be eager to vote for Rubio.
I don't favour the Republican party, but since when have they opposed women's rights?

Let's see... they oppose reproductive rights for women (namely, access to abortion and contraception) and apparently don't give a rat's furry ass about the income inequality between the sexes.
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Postby Divair2 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:21 pm

The Flood wrote:
Liriena wrote:And the last devoted Catholic republican candidate (whose name must not be googled) was remarkably unpopular amongst Catholic voters.
As for the female vote... yeah, I'm sure the women who his party has worked really hard to deny them their human rights will be eager to vote for Rubio.
I don't favour the Republican party, but since when have they opposed women's rights?

Since they've opposed abortion, contraception, and other issues that mainly affect women. There's a reason women vote Democrat.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:26 pm

Shie wrote:No offense, but that's not offensive.

Oh, good.

Shie wrote:Art for industrial purposes isn't art.

How the hell does that work? All the artistic effort I put into a piece suddenly becomes non-artistic if I find a market for it?

And since you are obviously not an art expert, how are you in any way qualified to be the one to determine this?

Shie wrote:It can be established factually with enough repetition.

No. That's illogical and you know it.

Shie wrote:Laws don't require study, laws need to be short and simple to understand so people don't break them.

The problem with your idea here is that the world is far more complex than you give it credit for. So complex, in fact, that we have several schools of thought on how human law should be created and applied.

Once more, you make these sweeping, radical proposals, despite obviously not being the least bit qualified, given how little you seem to understand about jurisprudence.

Shie wrote:Good, we're getting somewhere.

Don't stroke your ego yet.

Shie wrote:I'm not a fascist, I'm not an advocate of fiscal conservatism.
To make this simple, I'm a fiscal liberal and a social conservative.

Given how fascism is not fiscally conservative... yeah, nice try.

Shie wrote:That was my mistake, it was my intention to say "subversive".

And what would constitute "subversive" activities?

Shie wrote:No, this isn't out of hatred. It's making the nation larger for the betterment of all people.

So it's sugar-coated jingoism. Nice.
You didn't answer my question, though.

Shie wrote:I'm talking about less suspicion toward toward the police and military among the poor.

You do realize that the suspicion towards the police and military is quite often justified? It's very difficult to make people trust institutions with a long history of corruption and abuse.

Shie wrote:Christianity is a good religion for a nation to have but I don't have a precise preference.

I'm sorry then, but if that's the case you don't actually give a shit about religious freedom.

Shie wrote:These are core tenants for any functional political-party.

Not really. Many ideologies are less about verticalism and nationalism and more about globalism and giving the political system a more communal approach.

Shie wrote:I'm serious, the press should be honest instead of spouting any opinion.

Thus demonstrating that you don't give a shit about the freedom of the press.

Shie wrote:It's more of a nationalistic expansionist edge.

Yeah, I saw that coming. Fuck that shit.

Shie wrote:Meaning populism.

Just as bad if it completely disregards the rights of minorities.


Shie wrote:Not the freedom to say things that aren't good for the people of a nation. The media should make people happy.

Further demonstrating that you don't give a shit about the freedom of the press.

Shie wrote:Scouting, the scout movement.

Oh, great! Can I haz an LGBT scout movement?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:02 am

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Salandriagado wrote:
PhD could, in all parts of that post, be replaced by "undergraduate degree".

Maths is built on philosophy. Physics is built on maths. Pretty much everything else you've listed as legitimate is built on physics. Without a thorough understanding of the mathematical-philosophical background behind everything, you cannot really understand what you're doing. We're pretty much at the point now where you cannot function that the forefront of theoretical physics without a postgraduate-level knowledge of formal mathematics.

The pinnacle of academia is to master theoretical physics?


Put the fucking strawman down.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:32 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Shie wrote:The pinnacle of academia is to master theoretical physics?


Put the fucking strawman down.

I don't understand the particular goal of the academic. What's the point of learning so much but achieving so little? Knowledge of engineering, mathematics, and combustion was used to create the military power available to us today. Physicists know what it takes to explore the galaxy and build nuclear technology. I only want an education that's applicable for territorial expansion. Once an globalist state has been attained then the next move forward should be green energy to sustain all human life. I see no end to academics, why learn if you're not intending to impact the world with that knowledge?

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:43 am

Shie wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Put the fucking strawman down.

I don't understand the particular goal of the academic. What's the point of learning so much but achieving so little? Knowledge of engineering, mathematics, and combustion was used to create the military power available to us today. Physicists know what it takes to explore the galaxy and build nuclear technology. I only want an education that's applicable for territorial expansion. Once an globalist state has been attained then the next move forward should be green energy to sustain all human life. I see no end to academics, why learn if you're not intending to impact the world with that knowledge?


The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:06 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Shie wrote:I don't understand the particular goal of the academic. What's the point of learning so much but achieving so little? Knowledge of engineering, mathematics, and combustion was used to create the military power available to us today. Physicists know what it takes to explore the galaxy and build nuclear technology. I only want an education that's applicable for territorial expansion. Once an globalist state has been attained then the next move forward should be green energy to sustain all human life. I see no end to academics, why learn if you're not intending to impact the world with that knowledge?


The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.
I support theoretical research as long as action comes out of it. Blind support of this research is pointless leads down a slippery slope because that same reasoning can support fields of study that won't provide the next internet. We've got our internet, space programs, computers, what next? JFK promised that we'd go to the moon and we did. Now then, the goal of this generation?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:08 pm

Shie wrote:I think for society to work efficiently, there needs to be a higher ratio of STEM majors to humanities majors so a totally synchronized world is accomplished. What do philosophy majors build?


Philosophy majors build ideas and concepts that society then utilizes in future generations. It also attempts to discover new trends in thinking as well as other disciplines using philosophy/mathematics concepts for all their research and ethical foundations.

Basically, philosophy is in every area of our lives as well as other branches of academia. And like Salandriagado said it best: you can either go back to a cave or support the advancement of education as well as theoretical research.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:10 pm

Shie wrote:I support theoretical research as long as action comes out of it. Blind support of this research is pointless leads down a slippery slope because that same reasoning can support fields of study that won't provide the next internet. We've got our internet, space programs, computers, what next? JFK promised that we'd go to the moon and we did. Now then, the goal of this generation?


The goal of this generation is whatever we want to make out of it.

Theoretical research has given us little by little more and more things that benefit us. It's been a rather slow progress compared to what people always think but we're advancing in technology and knowledge.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:15 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
The fact is that literature and literary studies helps with being a communicator.

The Humanities have always been to make productive citizens, and literary studies; as well as letting you experience in a more personal way the climate of the times in literature, it also provides you with ample background in which you can strive and become a more well-rounded communicator.

It has been a fact for many years now that people in the Humanities - at least in the U.S. - are best at communicating thoughts and ideas to the public. Even at a business level, history and literature majors can land a job in advertising or technical writing due to their prowess with words. In other words, the humanities can be seen as "oh bullshit classes" or it can be deeper than that and teach you skills that you will need later on. The STEM programs are necessary - these are branches of academia that revolutionize the world, but at the same time A&H plays an important role in society as well, it's just more human related than technically related.
I think for society to work efficiently, there needs to be a higher ratio of STEM majors to humanities majors so a totally synchronized world is accomplished. What do philosophy majors build?

Right, we don't need more people who understand history. We don't need people who understand the way the world works, we need more fucking engineers so we can build the shit of tomorrow!
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:20 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Shie wrote:I don't understand the particular goal of the academic. What's the point of learning so much but achieving so little? Knowledge of engineering, mathematics, and combustion was used to create the military power available to us today. Physicists know what it takes to explore the galaxy and build nuclear technology. I only want an education that's applicable for territorial expansion. Once an globalist state has been attained then the next move forward should be green energy to sustain all human life. I see no end to academics, why learn if you're not intending to impact the world with that knowledge?


The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.


Space is important.
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:31 pm

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Shie wrote:I think for society to work efficiently, there needs to be a higher ratio of STEM majors to humanities majors so a totally synchronized world is accomplished. What do philosophy majors build?

Right, we don't need more people who understand history. We don't need people who understand the way the world works, we need more fucking engineers so we can build the shit of tomorrow!
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Postby The Flood » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Flood wrote:I don't favour the Republican party, but since when have they opposed women's rights?
Let's see... they oppose reproductive rights for women (namely, access to abortion and contraception)
Not sexism, abortion is murder, but this isn't an abortion thread so we're not arguing about that. As for contraceptive access, I don't know what you mean. How could they restrict access to them for women and not men?
and apparently don't give a rat's furry ass about the income inequality between the sexes.
That is a fair enough point.
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:43 pm

The Flood wrote:
Liriena wrote:Let's see... they oppose reproductive rights for women (namely, access to abortion and contraception)
Not sexism, abortion is murder, butt this isn't an abortion thread so we're not arguing about that. As for contraceptive access, I don't know what you mean. How could they restrict access to them for women and not men?
and apparently don't give a rat's furry ass about the income inequality between the sexes.
That is a fair enough point.
What inequality between the sexes?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:51 pm

Shie wrote:
The Flood wrote:Not sexism, abortion is murder, butt this isn't an abortion thread so we're not arguing about that. As for contraceptive access, I don't know what you mean. How could they restrict access to them for women and not men? That is a fair enough point.
What inequality between the sexes?


Are you fucking kidding me?
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Postby Anubas » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:21 pm

Shie wrote:
The Flood wrote:Not sexism, abortion is murder, butt this isn't an abortion thread so we're not arguing about that. As for contraceptive access, I don't know what you mean. How could they restrict access to them for women and not men? That is a fair enough point.
What inequality between the sexes?

open your eyes. there is everything from women being paid less to women not being able to legally drive.

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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:24 pm

Shie wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.
I support theoretical research as long as action comes out of it. Blind support of this research is pointless leads down a slippery slope because that same reasoning can support fields of study that won't provide the next internet. We've got our internet, space programs, computers, what next? JFK promised that we'd go to the moon and we did. Now then, the goal of this generation?


All research was as some point theoretical research. The radio was thought to be a pipe dream until Marconi figured it out in his attic.

So was the car, and Einstein's theory of relativity, and genetics, and chemistry, and astronomy.

You're no different than the people who said the radio would never happen.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:56 pm

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Grenartia wrote:You do realize that there's such things as being overbearing and overprotective (such as literally everything OP has said thus far), and those things are detrimental to the betterment of humanity, right?

what do you mean that they're detrimental to the betterment of humanity, in what way?


Denying people their rights makes society as a whole worse off. Which makes humanity as a whole worse off.

So long as something doesn't inherently deprive anybody of their legitimate rights without informed consent, there's no reason to "protect people from themselves".
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:06 pm

Shie wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.
I support theoretical research as long as action comes out of it. Blind support of this research is pointless leads down a slippery slope because that same reasoning can support fields of study that won't provide the next internet. We've got our internet, space programs, computers, what next? JFK promised that we'd go to the moon and we did. Now then, the goal of this generation?


There is literally no way to tell what theoretical research will get you until after you've done it. The people researching the internal bindings of atoms were neither trying to make nuclear weapons or create a source of electricity, but they did both.

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Salandriagado wrote:
The internet. The computer. Space flight. Nuclear power. Nuclear fusion. ALL of these things were theoretical physics. You have two options: go live in a cave somewhere as a hunter/gatherer, or support theoretical research. There is no alternative.


Space is important.


I never said it wasn't. Quit the strawman.
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Gezi Park » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:07 pm

Hell no. Who can decide on a specific standard of virtue? I suggest that everyone mind their own business.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:24 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Shie wrote:I support theoretical research as long as action comes out of it. Blind support of this research is pointless leads down a slippery slope because that same reasoning can support fields of study that won't provide the next internet. We've got our internet, space programs, computers, what next? JFK promised that we'd go to the moon and we did. Now then, the goal of this generation?


There is literally no way to tell what theoretical research will get you until after you've done it. The people researching the internal bindings of atoms were neither trying to make nuclear weapons or create a source of electricity, but they did both.

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Space is important.


I never said it wasn't. Quit the strawman.


I was agreeing with you.
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Postby Shie » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:18 pm

Anubas wrote:
Shie wrote:What inequality between the sexes?

open your eyes. there is everything from women being paid less to women not being able to legally drive.
Of what relevance is this to a male? I don't understand how paying women more improves society.

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The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Shie wrote:I think for society to work efficiently, there needs to be a higher ratio of STEM majors to humanities majors so a totally synchronized world is accomplished. What do philosophy majors build?

Right, we don't need more people who understand history. We don't need people who understand the way the world works, we need more fucking engineers so we can build the shit of tomorrow!

Then, we'll invade Russia; capturing Moscow should make them surrender in no time at all!
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The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Right, we don't need more people who understand history. We don't need people who understand the way the world works, we need more fucking engineers so we can build the shit of tomorrow!

Then, we'll invade Russia; capturing Moscow should make them surrender in no time at all!



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