Cable Television and Cell Phone... OR ObamaCare?

[JesusOfNazareth]

ObamaCare is a wash. If it has seven million enrolees, it's because of the six million plus lost insurance policies that it caused.

So far, our unscientific poll, and may I say it's my experience that NS leans somewhat leftward, seems to be going against the ACA and in favor of cell phones and cable television. Cell phones are practically indispensible and who really wants to watch network television?

its funny how that number of cancelled insurance policies go up and up even after various states have told insurance companies that they cant do that.

but the exchanges are only a small part of the aca. the best part is the standardization of insurance so you can always know what you are getting and they cant keep you from getting it. the second best part is the expansion of Medicaid (which would be first if the supreme court hadn't made it optional) which is an amazing boon not only to the working poor but also to the county as a whole who will have a healthier population. maybe the exchanges are third....the republicans hate them so much that paul ryan is still suggesting using exchanges when they privatize medicare... it certainly makes shopping for insurance easier.

The numbers of ObamaCare enrolees goes up in a questionable manner, so I hope you'll excuse me if I wasn't precise.

For me, standardization is like big business going to the Govt. and saying, "We have a great way of doing things and you ought to make it a law for everyone in our line of business to do it our way." Govt. looks at the proposal and does the whim of big business and all of the small businesses in that field are either forced out of business or sucked up into the bigger businesses.

Well, I suppose there must have been a "States Rights" issue. But rather than look at it as an ObamaCare Black Eye, why not cheer on those states that did work with the ACA and see later if they did any better than the states that didn't expand medicaid? If the benefits turn out to be as obvious as the ACA projected, then those other states will eventually come around (not that I think the expansion will be a positive, since I don't).

I love it when we're cordial like this.

[Mistelemr]

Forgive me that the Youtube clip is long, but the President is trying to be very clear (or suffers from the political syndrome where one continues to speak at length before coming close to answering a question).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rk0aycma5s

You might disagree with me after viewing this, but IMHO, I think if push came to shove that the President would rather you budgeted for ObamaCare than had a cell phone and a cable television subscription.

What would you choose?

I feel your name for this is most fitting. Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. #0BC-ADmedicalphenomena

[Frisivisia]

How dare Obama force me to give up my cable TV by making healthcare something I can also afford!

[European Socialist Republic]

As has been mentioned by others, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of tother people's money.

And what does socialism have to do with Obamacare?

Also, Morgoroth had no idea what she was talking about.

[Ashmoria]

its funny how that number of cancelled insurance policies go up and up even after various states have told insurance companies that they cant do that.

but the exchanges are only a small part of the aca. the best part is the standardization of insurance so you can always know what you are getting and they cant keep you from getting it. the second best part is the expansion of Medicaid (which would be first if the supreme court hadn't made it optional) which is an amazing boon not only to the working poor but also to the county as a whole who will have a healthier population. maybe the exchanges are third....the republicans hate them so much that paul ryan is still suggesting using exchanges when they privatize medicare... it certainly makes shopping for insurance easier.

The numbers of ObamaCare enrolees goes up in a questionable manner, so I hope you'll excuse me if I wasn't precise.

For me, standardization is like big business going to the Govt. and saying, "We have a great way of doing things and you ought to make it a law for everyone in our line of business to do it our way." Govt. looks at the proposal and does the whim of big business and all of the small businesses in that field are either forced out of business or sucked up into the bigger businesses.

Well, I suppose there must have been a "States Rights" issue. But rather than look at it as an ObamaCare Black Eye, why not cheer on those states that did work with the ACA and see later if they did any better than the states that didn't expand medicaid? If the benefits turn out to be as obvious as the ACA projected, then those other states will eventually come around (not that I think the expansion will be a positive, since I don't).

I love it when we're cordial like this.

I live in a state that took the Medicaid expansion. it is a great thing to know that everyone has a chance to be covered--not that everyone IS but every has a chance. (except for those here without government permission, they are fucked). it bothers me very much that next door in texas there are millions of people without that chance because the republicans of texas care more about making the president and other democrats look bad than the health of their own people.

many things are well left to the states to experiment with. but when you are sick its tough to have to wait until it turns out that declining free money is a bad thing for every state that does it.

[Divair2]

I don't see what's controversial about this. Budgeting is a bad thing now?

Obama makes some very good points. People don't want healthcare until they need it. The cost of healthcare is absurd. It sounds like he's on the verge of announcing support for a national healthcare program.

[Sdaeriji]

Forgive me that the Youtube clip is long, but the President is trying to be very clear (or suffers from the political syndrome where one continues to speak at length before coming close to answering a question).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rk0aycma5s

You might disagree with me after viewing this, but IMHO, I think if push came to shove that the President would rather you budgeted for ObamaCare than had a cell phone and a cable television subscription.

What would you choose?

So, the problem is that the ACA has brought health care prices down to a level of affordability that people actually have to weigh privately whether or not they want to now purchase healthcare or keep their cable and cell phone, whereas before it was an easy decision to make since they absolutely could not afford the healthcare. I assume you view this as a negative?

[Greed and Death]

My cable and cell phone are way less than 360 a month.
Also many employers of those making 40,000 or 50,000 a year require their employees always be reachable by cell.

[Greed and Death]

Forgive me that the Youtube clip is long, but the President is trying to be very clear (or suffers from the political syndrome where one continues to speak at length before coming close to answering a question).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rk0aycma5s

You might disagree with me after viewing this, but IMHO, I think if push came to shove that the President would rather you budgeted for ObamaCare than had a cell phone and a cable television subscription.

What would you choose?

So, the problem is that the ACA has brought health care prices down to a level of affordability that people actually have to weigh privately whether or not they want to now purchase healthcare or keep their cable and cell phone, whereas before it was an easy decision to make since they absolutely could not afford the healthcare. I assume you view this as a negative?

Before you could by a cheaper plan with significantly less coverage. Now slightly beefed up versions of those are only available if you are under 30 and they run 40 to 60 more a month than previously was charged for a catastrophic insurance plan.

[JesusOfNazareth]

It's not a compromise when the entirity of the House and Senate Republicans voted against the monstrosity, Silly.

I said "conservatives".... not republicans.

I would imagine that most of the conservatives also happen to be Republicans and there was NO bipartisanship, therefore no compromise.

[JesusOfNazareth]

Forgive me that the Youtube clip is long, but the President is trying to be very clear (or suffers from the political syndrome where one continues to speak at length before coming close to answering a question).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rk0aycma5s

You might disagree with me after viewing this, but IMHO, I think if push came to shove that the President would rather you budgeted for ObamaCare than had a cell phone and a cable television subscription.

What would you choose?

I feel your name for this is most fitting. Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. #0BC-ADmedicalphenomena

I'm interested in your arguments, but I think you ought to start another topic on why health care insurance should be a right.

[Pope Joan]

Easy choice for me; I have neither cable tv nor a cell phone.

We get very poor coverage in Adirondack Park.

[Immoren]

Cable Television and Cell Phone.
Because I don't live in USA.

[Tekania]

I said "conservatives".... not republicans.

I would imagine that most of the conservatives also happen to be Republicans and there was NO bipartisanship, therefore no compromise.

Whether you imagine most republicans are conservatives or not does not alter the fact that I said "Conservatives" not "Republicans" and meant to use the term "conservative" and not "republican" because I am was not talking exclusively about Republicans.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

As has been mentioned by others, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of tother people's money.

And what does socialism have to do with Obamacare?

Also, Morgoroth had no idea what she was talking about.

Holy shit do you literally CTRL-C CTRL-V this whenever someone quotes Thatcher?

[European Socialist Republic]

And what does socialism have to do with Obamacare?

Also, Morgoroth had no idea what she was talking about.

Holy shit do you literally CTRL-C CTRL-V this whenever someone quotes Thatcher?

No I don't actually.

[Geilinor]

I said "conservatives".... not republicans.

I would imagine that most of the conservatives also happen to be Republicans and there was NO bipartisanship, therefore no compromise.

How can there be bipartisanship when the one side thinks healthcare doesn't need any reform? Both sides need to see a problem in order to compromise and try to solve that problem.

[Geilinor]

I would suggest that someone in that position ask their parents to pay for their insurance.

the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of tother people's money.

Good try, but what you're describing isn't socialism.

[Gauthier]

And what does socialism have to do with Obamacare?

Also, Morgoroth had no idea what she was talking about.

Holy shit do you literally CTRL-C CTRL-V this whenever someone quotes Thatcher?

Spending other people's money is only bad when liberals do it.

[Seleucas]

I'd go for the cell phone and cable TV (not so much for the TV, but the phone; I need it.) I'd almost certainly have to pay more under ObamaCare than I do for my company insurance, being a healthy young male.

[Geilinor]

I'd go for the cell phone and cable TV (not so much for the TV, but the phone; I need it.) I'd almost certainly have to pay more under ObamaCare than I do for my company insurance, being a healthy young male.

That's not how companies buy insurance. They don't apply separately for each employee, they have one plan that they just add employees to. Chances are that neither you nor your employer will have to do anything more than they do now.

[Seleucas]

I'd go for the cell phone and cable TV (not so much for the TV, but the phone; I need it.) I'd almost certainly have to pay more under ObamaCare than I do for my company insurance, being a healthy young male.

That's not how your company buys insurance. They don't apply separately for each employee, they have one plan that they just add employees to.

Yes, I am aware of open enrollment. But I wouldn't save anything by switching to ObamaCare, and certainly not any savings relative to other demographics.

[Geilinor]

That's not how your company buys insurance. They don't apply separately for each employee, they have one plan that they just add employees to.

Yes, I am aware of open enrollment. But I wouldn't save anything by switching to ObamaCare.

The employer mandate is part of ObamaCare.

[The Serbian Empire]

I would say that the President and the Senate Majority Leader are so egotistical and socialistic that they can't sit down and actually bargain with The House on a way to salvage health care insurance that would actually help the vast majority of Americans.

These Dems are hell-bent on incrementally bringing about a one-payer (the taxpayer through the govt.) system that they've put the country on the road to economic failure.

BTW, if you had to choose one, would you keep your electronics or Obamacare?

the vast majority of people are being helped by obamacare. it is a freaking godsend to never have to worry again that your insurance company will find a way to drop you when you really need it.

the republican have zero suggestions on how to actually improve on what we have now and if they had some ideas that would work they would never suggest them.

I wouldn't call it a godsend until we know that doctors are no longer considering retiring en masse due to lower pay.

[Seleucas]

Yes, I am aware of open enrollment. But I wouldn't save anything by switching to ObamaCare.

The employer mandate is part of ObamaCare.

I had it from before ObamaCare; it's a legacy.