European Election Debate. (Includes Poll!)

[Mollary]

Eurgh, I guess I should vote PES, being a Labour party member and all, but I agree more with the Greens.

My attempts to infiltrate Labour with Socialism is also hindered by the fact that I'm not old enough to drive to the meetings or sit in the bar with the other members.

Can't you become a member of the youth wing?

I am a member of both, the Youth Party doesn't exist in my constituency, I live in a Conservative and very occasionally Lib Dem seat.

Also, I don't know why I said I should vote, because I can't, but if I could.

[Arglorand]

Can't you become a member of the youth wing?

I am a member of both, the Youth Party doesn't exist in my constituency, I live in a Conservative and very occasionally Lib Dem seat.

Also, I don't know why I said I should vote, because I can't, but if I could.

I heard there are hacks in Lithuania for voting in this election if you're too young.

I'm almost CERTAIN that those hacks are illegal, but

[Socialist Tibet]

I am a member of both, the Youth Party doesn't exist in my constituency, I live in a Conservative and very occasionally Lib Dem seat.

Also, I don't know why I said I should vote, because I can't, but if I could.

I heard there are hacks in Lithuania for voting in this election if you're too young.

I'm almost CERTAIN that those hacks are illegal, but

I personally think that the voting age should be 10 or something.

[Arglorand]

I heard there are hacks in Lithuania for voting in this election if you're too young.

I'm almost CERTAIN that those hacks are illegal, but

I personally think that the voting age should be 10 or something.

That's way, way excessive.

16, though, is quite okay.

[European Socialist Republic]

I heard there are hacks in Lithuania for voting in this election if you're too young.

I'm almost CERTAIN that those hacks are illegal, but

I personally think that the voting age should be 10 or something.

Urgh, no! You don't want 14-year old me to vote!

[Arglorand]

I personally think that the voting age should be 10 or something.

Urgh, no! You don't want 14-year old me to vote!

ESR, everyone knows you were never a 14-year-old. You're the digital hivemind of socialism as an ideology. You don't age.

[Ariddia]

Much of NationStates' previous discussion on the European elections is in the earlier thread, here. If you want to mentally add up the polls, or rehash the arguments, or something.

[New Waterford]

ALDE.

[Socialist Tibet]

ALDE.

Irish ALDE= Fianna Fáil Do you know what they've done?

[Empire of Vlissingen]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

[Arglorand]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

> right wing
> reduce spending cuts

pick one

[Empire of Vlissingen]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

> right wing
> reduce spending cuts

pick one

Right wing.

[The Scientific States]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

You may hope they'll do that, but the right wing parties won't do that.

[Socialist Tibet]

Right-Wing parties just do austerity and make the place worse.

[Angleter]

I don't even know what I'm supposed to say here. I literally called the kettle black. Ukip are a middle-upper class orientated party, their actual policies are not aimed at the working class at all. Yes there are workers who support parties of the far-right, but often they were more motivated to vote for parties like Bnp, who had fairly Social Democratic economic policies. Ukip literally want to kill what's left of the NHS, give massive tax breaks to big business, and destroy what's left of the welfare state. They also want to close down the wind energy industry in this country, largely because Mr Farage thinks windmills are "ugly".

I understand that many workers do blame the EU and immigration for their problems. But you won't find many, even the racist or anti Eu ones, who would be foolish enough to believe any of Nigel Farages economic policies benefit them. I understand that there are low income people who do support Ukip, but my general point earlier was that when Ukips economic policies are properly scrutinized in the run up to the election, the support from these people will go down. For the record, I would actually loose my job if Ukip came into power and left the Eu, and I know I'm not the only working class person in that position.

I think both of you are forgetting that we are talking about the /European/ elections. For all intents and purposes, UKIP's domestic policies do not matter at all here.

Ostensibly. The fact that they obviously do (in fact, UKIP have ironically done the Eurofederalists a service in a way, in that they've made European elections in Britain actually about Europe) makes a mockery of the whole charade.

[Socialist Tibet]

UKIP are hypocrites standing for the European Parliament and being eurosceptic.

[Nervium]

I hope the right wing parties in the hope they will stimulate the economy and reduce the effects of spending cuts and the economic crisis.

> right wing
> reduce spending cuts

pick one

To be painfully honest, the social democrats (and some of the greens too) are in the same boat.

[Nervium]

UKIP are hypocrites standing for the European Parliament and being eurosceptic.

Well, that's not hypocritical, that's just common sense.

EDIT: Let me reliterate my point, it's common sense from the view that they want out of the European Union through political means.
In any case it's not common nor sensible.

[Rutuba]

Probably PES. I'm definitely not a socialist, but the left seems to do a better job at the European Parliament than the right, and in my country the Greens are very weak, and no GUE/NGL party is participating in the election.

[Aequalitia]

UKIP are hypocrites standing for the European Parliament and being eurosceptic.

Indeed yes. Its like 'I don't want to be in it, but still I want to be in it'.

Finally I can vote, but IDK even really on this poll who I going to vote on.

[Bulgar Rouge]

EUL-NGL. Locally it's The Bulgarian Left, probably the only remaining left party around here.

[Divair2]

Probably PES. I'm definitely not a socialist, but the left seems to do a better job at the European Parliament than the right, and in my country the Greens are very weak, and no GUE/NGL party is participating in the election.

PES aren't socialists anyway.

[Rutuba]

Probably PES. I'm definitely not a socialist, but the left seems to do a better job at the European Parliament than the right, and in my country the Greens are very weak, and no GUE/NGL party is participating in the election.

PES aren't socialists anyway.

Well, I have to agree. At least most of them.

[Angleter]

UKIP are hypocrites standing for the European Parliament and being eurosceptic.

Indeed yes. Its like 'I don't want to be in it, but still I want to be in it'.

No, it isn't. The European Parliament's meant to be a representative body for all of Europe, including Eurosceptics, and to exclude Eurosceptics (or have them exclude themselves) is completely undemocratic. Across the world, where possible, secessionist movements will run in elections in the state they want to secede from, so as to provide a voice for their supporters and to hopefully influence the political process in their movement's favour. There are a few exceptions, such as Sinn Féin, who don't run for Westminster elections because they don't recognise Westminster's authority over Northern Ireland (and used to pursue their goals through physical force) - but even they stand for election. UKIP, and the overwhelming majority of Eurosceptics across the continent, recognise the legality of the European Parliament and its authority, but want to change that - why shouldn't they want to do that by parliamentary, democratic means?