"England" or "United Kingdom"

[Asilian]

china has several special administrative zones for their various ethnicities. you don't know shit about china.

I'm willing to bet he is not that well informed of the internal politics of many countries outside his own. Or indeed even within his own.

well you are not very tollerant of other views that are not your own are you

[Imperializt Russia]

...
kay

The 'united kingdom' of Great Britain was formed in 1707, with the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" being formed an officially named in 1800 by the way, birthing the Union Flag.

i like how you put 'united kingdom' in quotes because you know full well there was no 'united' in the kingdom of great britain

Yes, it's called knowing that not doing so would be incorrect.

[Rio Cana]

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Like it or not texifornia is the main economic and military force holding together the United Sattes. The US. is texifornia.[/quote]

No.
There is New York, PA,, Illinois, Florida, North Carolina (when it comes to military).

[Risottia]

No, that's not correct. She is independently the Queen of each realm, the Queen of England, the Queen of Scots, and the Queen of Northern Ireland.

No. And it is "no" because it is stated by the highest possible authority on the subject(s).

BY THE QUEEN

A PROCLAMATION

ELIZABETH R.

WHEREAS there has been passed in the present Session of Parliament the Royal Titles Act, 1953 [1 & 2 Eliz. 2. c.9], which Act recites that it is expedient that the style and titles at present appertaining to the Crown should be altered so as to reflect more clearly the existing constitutional relations of the members of the Commonwealth to one another and their recognition of the Crown as the symbol of their free association and of the Sovereign as the Head of the Commonwealth, and which Act also recites that it was agreed between representatives of Her Majesty's Governments in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan and Ceylon assembled in London in the month of December, nineteen hundred and fifty-two, that there is need for an alteration thereof which, whilst permitting of the use in relation to each of those countries of a form suiting its particular circumstances, would retain a substantial element common to all:

And Whereas by the said Act the assent of the Parliament of the United Kingdom was given to the adoption by Us, for use in relation to the United Kingdom and all other the territories for whose foreign relations Our Government in the United Kingdom is responsible, of such style and titles as We may think fit having regard to the said agreement, in lieu of the style and titles at present appertaining to the Crown, and to the issue by Us for that purpose of Our Royal Proclamation under the Great Seal of the Realm:

We have thought fit, and We do hereby appoint and declare, by and with the advice of Our Privy Council, that so far as conveniently may be, on all occasions and in all instruments wherein Our style and titles are used in relation to all or any one or more of the following, that is to say, the United Kingdom and all other the territories for whose foreign relations Our Government in the United Kingdom is responsible, Our style and titles shall henceforth be accepted, taken and used as the same are set forth in manner and form following, that is to say, the same shall be expressed in the English tongue by these words:—

"Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith ".

And in the Latin tongue by these words:—

" Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor ".

Given at Our Court at Buckingham Palace, this twenty-eighth day of May, in the year of our Lord One thousand nine hundred and fifty-three, and in the Second year of Our Reign.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Source: http://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain ... s.htm#1953

You may notice that nowhere in HM's proclamation the titles of "Queen of England" or "Queen of the Scots" are reported.

This follows, I think, from the Act of Union of 1800, which formed a SINGLE kingdom with a SINGLE crown.

[Person012345]

I'm willing to bet he is not that well informed of the internal politics of many countries outside his own. Or indeed even within his own.

well you are not very tollerant of other views that are not your own are you

I'm not sure what you mean or how you got that. Is this one of those right-wing definitions of intolerance where it's intolerant to call someone out on bullshit?

[Glasgia]

I don't believe it to be an imperialist impostion, where Great Britain is putting it's name on the islands, but rather Great Britain is taking it's name from the Islands.

Except it isn't.

"Britain" - or the Welsh form 'Prydain' - long predates the English, true; it's first attested in written form by the Greek writer Pytheas of Massalia in the 4th century BC.

But it's not derived from the name of the islands as a whole, but rather means something roughly along the lines of "land of the Britons/Pritani" (precise etymology disputed). This is why, after various late Classical / early medieval migrations, we have a Great Britain (the island of the same name) and a Little Britain (not a comedy programme, but rather Brittany).

The crucial clue that the name has absolutely nothing to do with the Irish, though, is that the original form begins with a "P". Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the Celtic languages of Britain and Ireland will recognise why any relation to Irish (or Scots) Gaelic is impossible, and why the word must have a Common Brittonic origin from what's now Great Britain, with no real connection to Ireland.

Except, of course, that St. Patrick was Welsh.

St. Patrick was more likely Romano-British, Welsh not existing as an identifiable culture until labelled as such by the Saxons years after the loss of independent Cumbric territories.

Anyway, I'd like to point out the "Pryten" was in fact likely the name that the Picts attributed to themselves. Pytheas, in the fourth century BC, is of course one of the earliest travellers to come to Britain. Sailing there, he claimed to have circumnavigated the isles. However, we can attribute his voyage to that of Scotland due to many of his descriptions of the islands. Importantly, he named them as cold and frosty - encountering frozen waters - despite starting his journey in the early spring: Suggesting he did not have a representation of the warmer southern coasts. Pytheas' discovery of the isle of Thule, usually placed as Norway, would allow for his return round the southern edge of the isle to be instead replaced by an exploration of the North German coasts - Referred to as distinct from most people of Britain. Having travelled around the Iberian peninsula; explored Britain up the Irish Sea, through the Hebrides and up to "Orkas"; then across to Norway; we can then assume that Pytheas' descriptions of the British in fact refer to the inhabitants of Scotland - The Picts.

Knowing this, Pytheas' labelling of "Pretania" seems to have no basis or written justification - Unless it were to be the name with which the natives identified themselves. Such a theory would be supported by the Gaelic "Cruithne", as they called the Picts, generally accepted as a Q-Celtic variation of the Brythonnic names for the Picts - Names such as Qritani, which could very ealised be derived from "Pretani" or the "Pryten".

From this, I would conclude that "Pryten" was not the name of the Britons, but rather of their northern brothers and often their enemies. This would be enforced by the earlier naming of the island of Great Britain as "Albion", as by the Roman Avenius who most certainly did vist the southern areas of the isles.

It should be noted that most later Greco-Roman explorers or authors simply used the label applied by Prytheas rather than applying their own - Therefore the island came Britannia not from the Briton's choice but rather as use of the accepted terms.

[Chinese Regions]

The UK.

England is just a part of the UK.

I love that flag.

[Tagmatium]

The UK.

England is just a part of the UK.

I love that flag.

It's pretty good.

I'd vote for them, if they were standing and I could vote.

[Alaizia]

This fair laddy has a thing to say about it:

[Glasgia]

This fair laddy has a thing to say about it:

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Never bring up Braveheart. Never. Unless you want to be crucified by us Scots.

[Chinese Regions]

Call the entire country BRITAIN and make it into a recursive acronym.

[Tagmatium]

This fair laddy has a thing to say about it:

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Yeah, but he also calls Jews "Oven Dodgers".

He's a bigot, chock full of shit.

[Alaizia]

I know about sweet little Mel. I was joking.

[Glasgia]

I know about sweet little Mel. I was joking.

Partick fans do not appreciate your jokes. (It's ok, I'm not a Partick fan though )

[Tagmatium]

I know about sweet little Mel. I was joking.

Sadly, some people aren't.

[Alaizia]

Yeah.

But in truth, do you support Scotland's desire for independence?

[Glasgia]

Yeah.

But in truth, do you support Scotland's desire for independence?

Wrong thread, my good friend.

But yeah, kinda.

[Tagmatium]

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*whistles nonchalantly*

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

This fair laddy has a thing to say about it:

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Never bring up Braveheart. Never. Unless you want to be crucified by us Scots.

The one thing I don't get is why William Wallace doesn't have time to wash his face or cut his hair, but he has plenty of time to shave.

Such thing would be unthinkable in England.

[Glasgia]

Never bring up Braveheart. Never. Unless you want to be crucified by us Scots.

The one thing I don't get is why William Wallace doesn't have time to wash his face or cut his hair, but he has plenty of time to shave.

Such thing would be unthinkable in England.

It's easier to shave with a claymore than wash with one.

[Alaizia]

Yeah.

But in truth, do you support Scotland's desire for independence?

Wrong thread, my good friend.

But yeah, kinda.

Me too.

Kind of relevant, because the name "United Kingdom" means the entire island plus northern Ireland as in now, while "England" means the english country until the border with Scotland including Wales (?).

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The one thing I don't get is why William Wallace doesn't have time to wash his face or cut his hair, but he has plenty of time to shave.

Such thing would be unthinkable in England.

It's easier to shave with a claymore than wash with one.

I don't know, you can use the claymore to clean all those hard to reach places.

[Glasgia]

It's easier to shave with a claymore than wash with one.

I don't know, you can use the claymore to clean all those hard to reach places.

Yeah, but it can be pretty dangerous. One second you're scrubbing your groin, next second you're an eunuch.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I don't know, you can use the claymore to clean all those hard to reach places.

Yeah, but it can be pretty dangerous. One second you're scrubbing your groin, next second you're an eunuch.

And still he can't cut be arsed his mullet?

As for England, I propose that England be divided into Northumbria, Mercia, Essex, East Anglia, Kent, Sussex, and Wessex, with borders defined according to the consensus following the defeat of Offa of Mercia.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, but it can be pretty dangerous. One second you're scrubbing your groin, next second you're an eunuch.

And still he can't cut be arsed his mullet?

As for England, I propose that England be divided into Northumbria, Mercia, Essex, East Anglia, Kent, Sussex, and Wessex, with borders defined according to the consensus following the defeat of Offa of Mercia.

I think you're missing a few counties there.