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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 am

Jetan wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:Israel is a region.

No, it's not. It's a state. Levant is a region.

Good for you for not saying the "P" word.

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 am

If those crazy socialists won.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:

We do that in German.

When we in text write "hahaha"

we write "jajaja"[/quote]
Who the hell laughs "yayayaya"?!

In Portuguese we use kkkkk that is lazy form for cacacaca, but at least, like [x], [k] is velar.
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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:We do that in German.

When we in text write "hahaha"

we write "jajaja"

I thought "jajaja" meant "yesyesyes"?

...It's a sound.

Like, "I need to find a john"

"Wo ist johann?"

"jajajaja"

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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:54 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:

We do that in German.

When we in text write "hahaha"

we write "jajaja"

Who the hell laughs "yayayaya"?!

In Portuguese we use kkkkk that is lazy form for cacacaca, but at least, like [x], [k] is velar.[/quote]
Are you Portuguese or Brazillian?

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:54 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:If those crazy socialists won.

¬¬

Yeah, sure. Fascism and socialism are totally compatible, let alone part of the same thing.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:54 am

Really, anyone who isn't Asian or "Aryan" would be screwed over. Blacks and Jews would be enslaved by the totalitarian grasp of the Nazis. That isn't the world anyone really wants.

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Postby Baathist arabia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:I thought "jajaja" meant "yesyesyes"?

...It's a sound.

Like, "I need to find a john"

"Wo ist johann?"

"jajajaja"

indeed sir

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Postby Renetopia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am

Well, the Nazis had a plan to drain the Mediterranean. So, I'm guessing that would happen.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:What would you be doing, would you even have been born?

I would be considered subhuman and probably gassed. That's not nice!
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Postby Jetan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:
Jetan wrote:No, it's not. It's a state. Levant is a region.

Good for you for not saying the "P" word.

What's that supposed to mean? Palestine is no more of a region than Israel is.
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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Really, anyone who isn't Asian or "Aryan" would be screwed over. Blacks and Jews would be enslaved by the totalitarian grasp of the Nazis. That isn't the world anyone really wants.

Not essentially.

Hitler gave clemency to almost 20,000+ Jews during peacetime.

It was only during wartime that he became....different.

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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:56 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:What would you be doing, would you even have been born?

I would be considered subhuman and probably gassed. That's not nice!

No, not very nice at all.

Why would you be considered subhuman?

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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:56 am

Jetan wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:Good for you for not saying the "P" word.

What's that supposed to mean? "P" is no more of a region than Israel is.

I just don't like that word.

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Postby Baathist arabia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:56 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Really, anyone who isn't Asian or "Aryan" would be screwed over. Blacks and Jews would be enslaved by the totalitarian grasp of the Nazis. That isn't the world anyone really wants.

Not essentially.

Hitler gave clemency to almost 20,000+ Jews during peacetime.

It was only during wartime that he became....different.

deportation out of Germany was off the table once they were at war, before they were just expelled

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:57 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:If those crazy socialists won.

¬¬

Yeah, sure. Fascism and socialism are totally compatible, let alone part of the same thing.


Hitler actually expanded welfare programs and spread the wealth around, and also taxed the heck out of the businesses. His policies were pretty Keynesian, and then spent it all on the military and welfare. Sometimes, people were taxed up to 98% of their income. Hitler nationalized all industries and took over many sectors and also sent many competitors to the state out of business. He was pretty socialist...definitely not a "Far-Right Extremist" like how some people on the left call him.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:57 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:Are you Portuguese or Brazillian?

Depends on the definition. Ethnically I'm Brazilian, culturally I can have far more Portuguese influences than usual and am probably on the 5% of most Lusophile people here but I'm essentially Brazilian still, nevertheless linguistically and by descent I'm an in-between in my own right.

But, why?
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Baathist arabia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:58 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:¬¬

Yeah, sure. Fascism and socialism are totally compatible, let alone part of the same thing.


Hitler actually expanded welfare programs and spread the wealth around, and also taxed the heck out of the businesses. His policies were pretty Keynesian, and then spent it all on the military and welfare. Sometimes, people were taxed up to 98% of their income. Hitler nationalized all industries and took over many sectors and also sent many competitors to the state out of business. He was pretty socialist...definitely not a "Far-Right Extremist" like how some people on the left call him.

jajajajaja indeed sir. at least some1 gets that

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Postby Baiynistan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:58 am

There's no point pondering on "what if"s when those hypotheticals are infeasible. The Axis simply didn't have the resources to maintain a war on multiple fronts. The fascists tried to conquer too much and in the end lost everything ('cept Spain until the 70s...).

And, even if Hitler had listened to the advice of his generals and stayed out of Russia, resolving to hold territories gained in Western Europe, I think international resistance networks and the generally self-consuming nature of national socialism would have brought down the Axis within a couple of decades anyway.
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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:59 am

Baathist arabia wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:Not essentially.

Hitler gave clemency to almost 20,000+ Jews during peacetime.

It was only during wartime that he became....different.

deportation out of Germany was off the table once they were at war, before they were just expelled

Yes, I imagine they reasoned that if they were deported war-time, then they would volunteer for the allied forces.

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Postby Baathist arabia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:59 am

Baiynistan wrote:There's no point pondering on "what if"s when those hypotheticals are infeasible. The Axis simply didn't have the resources to maintain a war on multiple fronts. The fascists tried to conquer too much and in the end lost everything ('cept Spain until the 70s...).

And, even if Hitler had listened to the advice of his generals and stayed out of Russia, resolving to hold territories gained in Western Europe, I think international resistance networks and the generally self-consuming nature of national socialism would have brought down the Axis within a couple of decades anyway.

if the nazis invaded Britain and performed and planned better in russia they would've won. and subjugating the russian territories would render the Reich invulnerable.

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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:59 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Eisernes-Adler wrote:Are you Portuguese or Brazillian?

Depends on the definition. Ethnically I'm Brazilian, culturally I can have far more Portuguese influences than usual and am probably on the 5% of most Lusophile people here but I'm essentially Brazilian still, nevertheless linguistically and by descent I'm an in-between in my own right.

But, why?

What's your skin color?

Are you a Communist?

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:59 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Really, anyone who isn't Asian or "Aryan" would be screwed over. Blacks and Jews would be enslaved by the totalitarian grasp of the Nazis. That isn't the world anyone really wants.

Not essentially.

Hitler gave clemency to almost 20,000+ Jews during peacetime.

It was only during wartime that he became....different.


Still, he hated Jews anyway and would have still killed Jews anyway.

Also, many economies that have improved this world wouldn't exist thanks to the radically regulatory nature of the Axis powers.

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Postby Jetan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:00 am

Eisernes-Adler wrote:
Jetan wrote:What's that supposed to mean? "P" is no more of a region than Israel is.

I just don't like that word.

Well, I have no problems with it so kindly don't edit my quotes, even if they happen to say Palestine.
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Postby Eisernes-Adler » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:00 am

Baathist arabia wrote:
Baiynistan wrote:There's no point pondering on "what if"s when those hypotheticals are infeasible. The Axis simply didn't have the resources to maintain a war on multiple fronts. The fascists tried to conquer too much and in the end lost everything ('cept Spain until the 70s...).

And, even if Hitler had listened to the advice of his generals and stayed out of Russia, resolving to hold territories gained in Western Europe, I think international resistance networks and the generally self-consuming nature of national socialism would have brought down the Axis within a couple of decades anyway.

if the nazis invaded Britain and performed and planned better in russia they would've won. and subjugating the russian territories would render the Reich invulnerable.

Yes...an invulnerable powerful REICH of steel, blood, and honor would have been nice to grow up in.

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