LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Kalbana]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

Never heard of it.

Same here.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Never heard of it.

Same here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgende ... emembrance

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[Grenartia]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

What's that?

A day where transgender people and our allies mourn our dead who have been either driven to suicide, or killed (often in the most brutal and heartwrenching ways), and remember them for who they really were.

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

Never heard of it.

Not many people have, but that's a damn shame, because its an important day marking tragedies that any and all reasonable people should agree should never happen.

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

We had a assembly on this, where I was one of the 5 pansexual somewhat-demisexual volunteers.
Next is the candle-light vigil.

I wasn't able to go to any groups, but I did my own personal observance at home.

Same here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgende ... emembrance

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http://tdor.info/

Excellent post.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

[Willy Brandt]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

I hear you. When I found out about the day, there was little I could do because of my age and where I live. I live in a deeply conservative, bigoted area, and voicing my opinion on LGBT rights is rarely met with positive comments.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

I hear you. When I found out about the day, there was little I could do because of my age and where I live. I live in a deeply conservative, bigoted area, and voicing my opinion on LGBT rights is rarely met with positive comments.

Maybe someday there won't be areas like that. Unfortunately, that day is probably quite far in the future, if it ever happens.

[Grenartia]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

I hear you. When I found out about the day, there was little I could do because of my age and where I live. I live in a deeply conservative, bigoted area, and voicing my opinion on LGBT rights is rarely met with positive comments.

Same here. Though, I think (or at least I hope) they can at least agree that killing people, or bullying them into suicide, is totally wrong.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

I wasn't able to do much either. I was planning to do something, but I wasn't able to. I just tried to educate people about the day.

I hear you. When I found out about the day, there was little I could do because of my age and where I live. I live in a deeply conservative, bigoted area, and voicing my opinion on LGBT rights is rarely met with positive comments.

Same here. Though, I think (or at least I hope) they can at least agree that killing people, or bullying them into suicide, is totally wrong.

Hopefully.

41% of transgender people attempt suicide. I've come very close to being part of that statistic.

Hopefully someday that statistic will get down to 0.

[Grenartia]

Same here. Though, I think (or at least I hope) they can at least agree that killing people, or bullying them into suicide, is totally wrong.

Hopefully.

41% of transgender people attempt suicide. I've come very close to being part of that statistic.

Hopefully someday that statistic will get down to 0.

I came close to the act myself, albeit before I realized I was trans. No more suicides, trans or not.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

Hopefully.

41% of transgender people attempt suicide. I've come very close to being part of that statistic.

Hopefully someday that statistic will get down to 0.

I came close to the act myself, albeit before I realized I was trans. No more suicides, trans or not.

No one should feel like they don't have any other options. Something is very wrong with society.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

-snip-

An interesting viewpoint.

I don't really disagree humans are statistically dimorphic for approximation purposes, though. Even though we have multiple elements to characterize different layers of said dimorphism, and when they get blurred, with an absent/nonfunctional part or shuffled it doesn't necessary mean something bad, it's still basically two idealized sets of people, our autosomal genome is aimed at the creation of such polarization, it comes down to the way we evolved. My point was to make those who are farther from idealized than "usual" or "established as normal" - deep down, all of us are still somewhat distant from perfect extremes - treated just as normal and cool and healthy as all others of us are, even because it should indicate no real social purpose.

I didn't say with a strong intention every human is a single sex. I meant that this system is bad because approximation and statistics aren't reliable when there's 7 billion of us and someone will get lost or mistreated in the mess - i.e. because for many folks, the dyadic sex classification is dehumanizing (it's an excuse for misgendering of about all trans people, just to start). Specially so when these classifications are based on the opinions of people who have a significant minority (or is it majority?) worried about proving not just sex but also gender binarism is actually based on biology instead of social immersion - and, given how that's the mainstream position on the topic, is going to be basis for ideology and politics directed at us.

Humans are their psyches, and both brain wiring and psychic identity come in all manners, so it's really bad that people designate a correct one to a certain anatomical form because we have different bodies solely related to the way our sex hormones and genitals work. Some people won't have children, some won't even have sex (or consent to it), where is the necessity of a social classification of humans based on such logic? Where is the necessity of prescribing strong social roles based according to it? If it is not so, where is the necessity of saying we evolved to have these mechanisms in a gendered manner?

Spanish: http://eldemonioblancodelateteraverde.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/neurosexismo/
English: http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Neurosexism

It both sounds like lies and can be demonstrated against. I already talked here about how the interaction between womb hormones and our early autosomal genes and fetal bodies is really sensitive and complicated, different for every person. How then can we guess what is actually "natural for men" or "natural for women" if these groups represent an almost arbitrary grouping of people, flawed as an essentialist classification in basically every level? Which supposed "truths" about evolutionary psychology can really not be attributed to a massive scale of social immersion that makes various societies extremely alike each other in their regards for such system?

This system is not just an approximation of biology, but also the main item of justification to the social functioning of several societies that mistreat people according to designating people as X or Y when they are born, and raising them as very distant social roles according to such. That is why, given how 1. it is analysed by people with specific ideological interests 2. it overlooks in-group differences and out-group similarities 3. it is flawed, albeit not statistically significantly so 4. the degree to which we reduce certain folks as the exception to the rule is arbitrary 5. it is used to excuse an accursed social logic and the mechanism behind it as natural 6. people often look for explanations of it inside their own society rather than studying the inaccuracies demonstrated by already documented human difference 7. its final consequences are to defend gender roles and further penalize said "already documented human" [social] dissidence; then why must I trust it as fully scientific, neutral and apolitical? If something affects me in a bad manner, I will refuse it. And we have every right in the world to refuse said classification.

Cis people overall still think "sex changes" exist, that gender equals sex - because they didn't evolve as concepts in the Western world as separate to start with -, and so on. There's no ~science helping us~ when it can be used to de-legitimize us all the same if it belongs to our, ahem, oppressor class, and if people can just outright refuse it because they don't need to care at all (see: Creationism, climate change and so on). Cissexist societies as a whole will continue to refuse to respect trans and intersex people because it is institutionally/structurally interesting to do so even when the people taught to hate and feel disgusted by us vanish, for whatever reason is their logic that we are a dangerous clique/cult/ideology/fad/whatever. NSG is a place where we are always discussing this issue, but how many of these people (here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=297747) who filed male/female are interested in listening to us?

Example of the harm cis people in positions of power might cause as long as we continue to overlook how the very inherent possibility of pathologizing people according to gender AND sex will always be a potential gun pointing at us: http://www.bilerico.com/2011/05/transvestic_disorder_the_overlooked_anti-trans_dia_1.php

I am confident we need to remove the legitimacy of these classifications by all people who have any degree of power or authority over our bodies, minds and legal documents somehow in order to succeed, if we are to bother with the trans and intersex people of all countries, including the more conservative ones. People will not, in the current patriarchal system, sympathize with us with the same ease they do with sexual minorities, this is clear as the day to me. We will always be seen as some sort of deceiving boogaloo.

By the way, this obviously starts at language, and language has power. Language directed at us often has the tone of we being "traps", something fake. Many call cis people "the biological ones". Which language has the power to authoritatively say we are really actually something "we were born as" crossdressing as something else? Exactly, Earthy, science!

Back to your text, when it comes to actual multiple sexes, I think of plants. Some species transmit plastids (chloroplasts and their relatives) through the pollen, others through the ovary, a significant percent (about 20% of flowering plants) through both, some occasionally work for both when in an admixture, others end up picking the ovary in spite of the pollen tendency of the other plant, and so on. I imagine that with these theoretical alien species, there might be a similar mechanism, each possibility being given by a different biological system.

This would make our patrilineal Y gene transmission and matrilineal mitochondrial transmission pretty boring, compared with all the biological recombination such a species would carry.

[Immoren]

Meanwhile in North

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Meanwhile in North

That's sorta what I'm talking about.

It's a shame marriage equality isn't already a huge force in about all of Europe and the Americas.

Really, what is the driving force behind people's slowness? This shouldn't even be a debate about them or their opinions.

[Grenartia]

Meanwhile in North

Dear Finland:

Dafuq's wrong with you? I thought you were one of the good ones.

Sincerely,

An extremely disappoint Gren.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

4chan's new "operation" - Harassing transgender people in hopes of getting them to kill themselves.

Warning for all sorts of warped: http://imgur.com/k91LSJI

[Soldati Senza Confini]

4chan's new "operation" - Harassing transgender people in hopes of getting them to kill themselves.

Warning for all sorts of warped: http://imgur.com/k91LSJI

It's 4chan being 4chan.

Do you expect anything less from them?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

It's 4chan being 4chan.

Do you expect anything less from them?

I honestly only visited that site two or three times, and didn't get it at all.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's 4chan being 4chan.

Do you expect anything less from them?

I honestly only visited that site two or three times, and didn't get it at all.

4chan is relatively new. Only 11 years old (about the same time I have of being in the U.S.)

I've visited it more than once and managed to follow, but to be honest, 4chan's /b/ is a cesspool of immature idiots. Helps me remind myself of the fact I shouldn't take teenagers that seriously when they're utterly wrong.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

4chan's new "operation" - Harassing transgender people in hopes of getting them to kill themselves.

Warning for all sorts of warped: http://imgur.com/k91LSJI

It's 4chan being 4chan.

Do you expect anything less from them?

Last I checked not all of 4Chan is bad actually, since its a lot more liberal in what it allows it generally lets things go on without much of a concern.

At least before its creator turned into a SJW or something, I dunno, caused a mass exodus to 8Chan, which you can tell is better for simply being 8...8's bigger than 4...see I can do math people.....I can do math....

What was I talking about?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Last I checked not all of 4Chan is bad actually, since its a lot more liberal in what it allows it generally lets things go on without much of a concern.

At least before its creator turned into a SJW or something, I dunno, caused a mass exodus to 8Chan, which you can tell is better for simply being 8...8's bigger than 4...see I can do math people.....I can do math....

What was I talking about?

If 4chan's founder became an annoyingly sensitive person, wouldn't the insensitive people go to 8chan and 4chan get more regulated?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's 4chan being 4chan.

Do you expect anything less from them?

Last I checked not all of 4Chan is bad actually, since its a lot more liberal in what it allows it generally lets things go on without much of a concern.

At least before its creator turned into a SJW or something, I dunno, caused a mass exodus to 8Chan, which you can tell is better for simply being 8...8's bigger than 4...see I can do math people.....I can do math....

What was I talking about?

I think the word you mean is "anarchist", not "liberal".

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Last I checked not all of 4Chan is bad actually, since its a lot more liberal in what it allows it generally lets things go on without much of a concern.

At least before its creator turned into a SJW or something, I dunno, caused a mass exodus to 8Chan, which you can tell is better for simply being 8...8's bigger than 4...see I can do math people.....I can do math....

What was I talking about?

I think the word you mean is "anarchist", not "liberal".

If I say people are conservative of their use of drinking I don't mean they are conservative.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think the word you mean is "anarchist", not "liberal".

If I say people are conservative of their use of drinking I don't mean they are conservative.

No, I truly meant that. I think the word you're looking for is a form of "anarchy".

4chan literally has no rules.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

If I say people are conservative of their use of drinking I don't mean they are conservative.

No, I truly meant that. I think the word you're looking for is a form of "anarchy".

4chan literally has no rules.

I was just saying that its more liberal in what it allows, it means the same thing in the end, its just not as right out there, its more as if I'm purposefully holding back.

The emphasis would work better if I added quotation marks.

[Distruzio]

Today is/was Transgender Day of Remembrance. Did any of yall do anything to mark today?

I can't do much, but I said a prayer that the need for today comes to a swift end, and lit a candle.

Called my exes and my friends who are trans. Let them know i was thinking of them.