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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:24 pm

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The Sanguinian Islands wrote:iirc you think being not a gender is a thing

It's like how not being religious is a thing.

I can understand not being religious, cause everyone has their own path

however making yourself a trigendered wolfkin cause PEWDIEPAI IZ ONE XDDDDD is not your own path
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The Sanguinian Islands wrote:iirc you think being not a gender is a thing

gender is a social construct, so it's natural for some people to feel that they don't qualify as a specific one.

And it's a social construct cause super liberal marxist philosophers in the 1920s said so
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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:26 pm

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Dalcaria wrote:Here here. Incest ought to be banned. If people want to do that sort of stuff, they can have their tubes tied or face a prison sentence. It's not fair to put children at risk for someone's personal sexual interests.

Inbreeding is only going to lead to genetic problems if it occurs for several generations. The Spanish Habsburgs only had a problem because they inbred for political reasons.

The risks related to inbreeding are highly debatable, but what isn't debatable is that it does take away form a person's genetic diversity (and ergo their chances to improved health), which I am going to consider as a form of child abuse. If people want to inbreed, they can get their tubes cut, then nobody has to suffer.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:26 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Othelos wrote:gender is a social construct, so it's natural for some people to feel that they don't qualify as a specific one.

And it's a social construct cause super liberal marxist philosophers in the 1920s said so

yes, exactly. It's not like people figure out who they are, or anything.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:27 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:It's like how not being religious is a thing.


trigendered wolfkin cause PEWDIEPAI IZ ONE XDDDDD is not your own path

This nonsense belongs on 4-chan.
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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:27 pm

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Dalcaria wrote:Here here. Incest ought to be banned. If people want to do that sort of stuff, they can have their tubes tied or face a prison sentence. It's not fair to put children at risk for someone's personal sexual interests.

The government can't ban incest, for the same reasons that it can't ban homosexual or group sex.

No, but they can definitely remove their children from their care. Not to mention, they can also imprison those people, a less invasive way of keeping them from inbreeding.
"Take Fascism and remove the racism, ultra-nationalism, oppression, murder, and replace these things with proper civil rights and freedoms and what do you get? Us, a much stronger and more free nation than most."
"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:27 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Inbreeding is only going to lead to genetic problems if it occurs for several generations. The Spanish Habsburgs only had a problem because they inbred for political reasons.

The risks related to inbreeding are highly debatable, but what isn't debatable is that it does take away form a person's genetic diversity (and ergo their chances to improved health), which I am going to consider as a form of child abuse. If people want to inbreed, they can get their tubes cut, then nobody has to suffer.

That's not a form of direct child abuse, so it can't be banned.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:28 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
trigendered wolfkin cause PEWDIEPAI IZ ONE XDDDDD is not your own path

This nonsense belongs on 4-chan.

The internet basically is (or was) 4-chan.
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"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:28 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Inbreeding is only going to lead to genetic problems if it occurs for several generations. The Spanish Habsburgs only had a problem because they inbred for political reasons.

The risks related to inbreeding are highly debatable, but what isn't debatable is that it does take away form a person's genetic diversity (and ergo their chances to improved health), which I am going to consider as a form of child abuse. If people want to inbreed, they can get their tubes cut, then nobody has to suffer.

Doesn't that mean we should require people to mate with those as genetically different from them as possible?
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:29 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Othelos wrote:The government can't ban incest, for the same reasons that it can't ban homosexual or group sex.

No, but they can definitely remove their children from their care. Not to mention, they can also imprison those people, a less invasive way of keeping them from inbreeding.

Tommen and Myrcella turned out okay. 2/3 ain't bad. :p
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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:29 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Othelos wrote:The government can't ban incest, for the same reasons that it can't ban homosexual or group sex.

No, but they can definitely remove their children from their care.

how would that help?

Dalcaria wrote:Not to mention, they can also imprison those people, a less invasive way of keeping them from inbreeding.

Othelos wrote:The government can't ban incest, for the same reasons that it can't ban homosexual or group sex.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:30 pm

Othelos wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:The risks related to inbreeding are highly debatable, but what isn't debatable is that it does take away form a person's genetic diversity (and ergo their chances to improved health), which I am going to consider as a form of child abuse. If people want to inbreed, they can get their tubes cut, then nobody has to suffer.

That's not a form of direct child abuse, so it can't be banned.

It's just as direct as using drugs while your pregnant, and explain to me what law keeps this from being banned, because I'm not sure what laws you're basing that comment on. As far as the legislature and appropriate legal authorities approve it, you can ban virtually anything, why should this be treated like a special case?
"Take Fascism and remove the racism, ultra-nationalism, oppression, murder, and replace these things with proper civil rights and freedoms and what do you get? Us, a much stronger and more free nation than most."
"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:31 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
trigendered wolfkin cause PEWDIEPAI IZ ONE XDDDDD is not your own path

This nonsense belongs on 4-chan.

It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:32 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not a form of direct child abuse, so it can't be banned.

It's just as direct as using drugs while your pregnant, and explain to me what law keeps this from being banned, because I'm not sure what laws you're basing that comment on. As far as the legislature and appropriate legal authorities approve it, you can ban virtually anything, why should this be treated like a special case?

The Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 keeps it from being banned.
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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:33 pm

Othelos wrote:how would that help?


Well, for starters the child could get the appropriate care it needs, and the other part is now the parents can be put in prison so they don't continue to produce inbred children.

Othelos wrote:The government can't ban incest, for the same reasons that it can't ban homosexual or group sex.
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There's a good difference between banning incest and punishing it as a crime, which I went over already and which no legal institution (that I've heard of) can prevent from happening.
"Take Fascism and remove the racism, ultra-nationalism, oppression, murder, and replace these things with proper civil rights and freedoms and what do you get? Us, a much stronger and more free nation than most."
"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:33 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:This nonsense belongs on 4-chan.

It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals while simultaneously maintaining their own edgy ideas.

Fixed.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:33 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:It's just as direct as using drugs while your pregnant, and explain to me what law keeps this from being banned, because I'm not sure what laws you're basing that comment on. As far as the legislature and appropriate legal authorities approve it, you can ban virtually anything, why should this be treated like a special case?

The Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 keeps it from being banned.

And so Texas law now is the law globally?
"Take Fascism and remove the racism, ultra-nationalism, oppression, murder, and replace these things with proper civil rights and freedoms and what do you get? Us, a much stronger and more free nation than most."
"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:34 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals while simultaneously maintaining their own edgy ideas.

Fixed.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:37 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:No, but they can definitely remove their children from their care. Not to mention, they can also imprison those people, a less invasive way of keeping them from inbreeding.

Tommen and Myrcella turned out okay. 2/3 ain't bad. :p

Wait.... I haven't watched enough GoT. :lol2:
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"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:38 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 keeps it from being banned.

And so Texas law now is the law globally?

:rofl: The case applied to all the states where sodomy laws existed.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:38 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:No, but they can definitely remove their children from their care. Not to mention, they can also imprison those people, a less invasive way of keeping them from inbreeding.

Tommen and Myrcella turned out okay. 2/3 ain't bad. :p

Tommen is a spoilt brat and Myrcella is annoying
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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:38 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals while simultaneously maintaining their own edgy ideas.

Fixed.

I blame this on the mass influx of 12 years olds that found out about it by some terrible twist of fate.
"Take Fascism and remove the racism, ultra-nationalism, oppression, murder, and replace these things with proper civil rights and freedoms and what do you get? Us, a much stronger and more free nation than most."
"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:39 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:And so Texas law now is the law globally?

:rofl: The case applied to all the states where sodomy laws existed.

I'll have to google this, but US law now also applies to all laws globally? And again, I'm talking about punishing it, which I covered at least twice now.
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"Tell me, is it still a 'revolution' or 'liberation' when you are killing our men, women, and children in front of us for not allowing themselves to be 'saved' by you? Call Communism and Democracy whatever you want, but to our people they're both the same thing; Oppression."
"You say manifest destiny, I say act of war. You're free to disagree with me, but I tend to make my arguments with a gun."
Since everyone does one of these: Impeach Democracy, Legalize Monarchy, Incompetent leadership is theft.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:39 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Fixed.

I blame this on the mass influx of 12 years olds that found out about it by some terrible twist of fate.

"omg dude go to 4chan its like our enemy"

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:40 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:This nonsense belongs on 4-chan.

It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals


Oh come on, I've been on 4chan a couple of times. It's not that scary.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:41 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:It's not scary enough doe

4chan is for evil scary people who stump your angsty ideals


Oh come on, I've been on 4chan a couple of times. It's not that scary.

im being sarcastic

I post on /b/ and /pol/
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