LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

And why shouldn´t they have kept closetted in the first place, and keep societies clean and decent ? think of the children !

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

[Salandriagado]

Fun fact, this is only due to high levels of repression and oppression in non-western societies.

It's the question of "nature or nurture?" variety.

No, it's a question of the "people who will be arrested if they admit to being homosexual are less likely to admit to being homosexual" variety.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

You must not have been spending too much time outside in your childhood, have you?

[Grenartia]

It's the question of "nature or nurture?" variety.

Tell me, Grenartia, were the Spartan men universally gays?

I know, right? Its like they're not even fucking trying.

Lyttenburg, come back when you're capable of making and/or willing to make serious, valid arguments that don't lead to threadjacking. I might not live long enough to see it, but I'll make sure to leave provisions in my will so that my descendents will be able to.

[Rocopurr]

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

I learned about it as a kid, and I turned out fine. Seems like this is a you problem, not a problem for children. If children were raised that some guys liked guys and some girls liked girls they wouldn't be confused. It's the fact that children are raises to demonize homosexuals that makes them confused by it.

[Salandriagado]

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

... Seeing and learning about things that confuse you is the only way anybody learns anything. Are you going to argue that maths harms children too?

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

Do you understand what was typed? The little bit I got was that women are somehow allowed everything but what about the rest of it.

In the second paragraph, all I really understood was the following:

1. my point being that female homosexuality is acceptable, 2. women being the wea...the fair sex and all that.
3. Women are allowed everything - they can even keep their hats on indoors !

1. Obvious double standard that would be pounced on if it weren't such an obvious indication of a Poe. And the fact that it would be pounced on and that it is a Poe indicator are obvious to the person making the argument, because if it isn't obvious, the person making the argument probably couldn't even turn on their computer, much less log in and post on NSG.

2. Notice how MC obviously almost states that "women are the weaker sex". If this were a legitimate slip up, they in all likelihood would've backspaced and typed "the fair sex and all that" without the "wea" part.

3. A statement that we'd find the typical misogynist/MRA using, however, taken to utter absurdity with the statement "they can even keep their hats on indoors!".

You have no sense of humour whatsoever. I do. I even laugh at myself and the very stuff I believe in. And that´s what I meant.

[Grenartia]

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

... Seeing and learning about things that confuse you is the only way anybody learns anything. Are you going to argue that maths harms children too?

Just an FYI, I pretty irrefutably demonstrated that CMC's a Poe.

[Distruzio]

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

So... confusion 'harms' children?

My six year old is perpetually confused by things. Always asking questions. Should I shelter him from the confusion of school life?

[Othelos]

How does homosexuality harm children?

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

Confusion =/= harm

[Grenartia]

In the second paragraph, all I really understood was the following:



1. Obvious double standard that would be pounced on if it weren't such an obvious indication of a Poe. And the fact that it would be pounced on and that it is a Poe indicator are obvious to the person making the argument, because if it isn't obvious, the person making the argument probably couldn't even turn on their computer, much less log in and post on NSG.

2. Notice how MC obviously almost states that "women are the weaker sex". If this were a legitimate slip up, they in all likelihood would've backspaced and typed "the fair sex and all that" without the "wea" part.

3. A statement that we'd find the typical misogynist/MRA using, however, taken to utter absurdity with the statement "they can even keep their hats on indoors!".

You have no sense of humour whatsoever. I do. I even laugh at myself and the very stuff I believe in. And that´s what I meant.

See, now you're backpedalling.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

... Seeing and learning about things that confuse you is the only way anybody learns anything. Are you going to argue that maths harms children too?

Well, it does provide a headache and frustration to children; that has to count as harm, doesn't it?

[Salandriagado]

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

So... confusion 'harms' children?

My six year old is perpetually confused by things. Always asking questions. Should I shelter him from the confusion of school life?

Hell, anybody that isn't perpetually confused by things probably isn't thinking enough.

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

I learned about it as a kid, and I turned out fine. Seems like this is a you problem, not a problem for children. If children were raised that some guys liked guys and some girls liked girls they wouldn't be confused. It's the fact that children are raises to demonize homosexuals that makes them confused by it.

I disagree. Children expect, and need, the complementarity of the sexes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How ? they see and learn about something that confuses them. I´m a grown man and it still confuses me how it´s even possible.

So... confusion 'harms' children?

My six year old is perpetually confused by things. Always asking questions. Should I shelter him from the confusion of school life?

It's the only logical conclusion to this.

Take him out of school and have him lead an Amish life. Poor soul must be tortured by school, worse than waterboarding if you ask me.

[Neutraligon]

... Seeing and learning about things that confuse you is the only way anybody learns anything. Are you going to argue that maths harms children too?

Well, it does provide a headache and frustration to children; that has to count as harm, doesn't it?

Ah but once they have spent enough time learning, that confusion goes away. So, does that mean we should teach more about it to get rid of the confusion that comes fro ignorance?

[Distruzio]

So... confusion 'harms' children?

My six year old is perpetually confused by things. Always asking questions. Should I shelter him from the confusion of school life?

Hell, anybody that isn't perpetually confused by things probably isn't thinking enough.

Right now he's playing minecraft. Breeding the animals makes him ask questions. So, according to the Count, I have to proscribe minecraft in order to protect my son from any harm confusion creates.

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

You have no sense of humour whatsoever. I do. I even laugh at myself and the very stuff I believe in. And that´s what I meant.

See, now you're backpedalling.

Absolutely not. From what I said so far, do I look like I need it ?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, it does provide a headache and frustration to children; that has to count as harm, doesn't it?

Ah but once they have spent enough time learning, that confusion goes away. So, does that mean we should teach more about it to get rid of the confusion that comes fro ignorance?

That's a very good point.

Damn, foiled again!

[Lyttenburg]

How is it relevant to this discussion, and how is it any of your business? If you can give any reasonable answer to either one of your questions, I'll answer, but until then, I don't have to say a damn word.

You know, you could just answer me some posts ago without being so cagey, which, naturally, raises some suspicions. But, okay, if you don't wan't to answer in front of the forum just TG me. I give my word, that won't repost the answer to public.

[Salandriagado]

I learned about it as a kid, and I turned out fine. Seems like this is a you problem, not a problem for children. If children were raised that some guys liked guys and some girls liked girls they wouldn't be confused. It's the fact that children are raises to demonize homosexuals that makes them confused by it.

I disagree. Children expect, and need, the complementarity of the sexes.

You are factually incorrect.

[Distruzio]

So... confusion 'harms' children?

My six year old is perpetually confused by things. Always asking questions. Should I shelter him from the confusion of school life?

It's the only logical conclusion to this.

Take him out of school and have him lead an Amish life. Poor soul must be tortured by school, worse than waterboarding if you ask me.

What am I supposed to do when he asks where babys come from?

[Neutraligon]

It's the only logical conclusion to this.

Take him out of school and have him lead an Amish life. Poor soul must be tortured by school, worse than waterboarding if you ask me.

What am I supposed to do when he asks where babys come from?

He's already confused at that point, so you must remove that confusion by teaching him.

[Neutraligon]

See, now you're backpedalling.

Absolutely not. From what I said so far, do I look like I need it ?

Yes.

[Othelos]

I learned about it as a kid, and I turned out fine. Seems like this is a you problem, not a problem for children. If children were raised that some guys liked guys and some girls liked girls they wouldn't be confused. It's the fact that children are raises to demonize homosexuals that makes them confused by it.

I disagree. Children expect, and need, the complementarity of the sexes.

False.

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