LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Lies and Ignorance]

I see about four separate arguments in my post, so I need you to be more specific about which one is sometimes untrue.

Second sentence.

Slurs do not necessarily arise out of hatred or discrimination and social consciousness does not necessarily shit them out of acceptability.

This is one of the most bleak posts I've ever read.

[Calisu]

Second sentence.

Slurs do not necessarily arise out of hatred or discrimination and social consciousness does not necessarily shit them out of acceptability.

This is one of the most bleak posts I've ever read.

Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

[Lies and Ignorance]

This is one of the most bleak posts I've ever read.

Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

It's not meant to. It'd have to be true in the first place.

[Calisu]

Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

It's not meant to. It'd have to be true in the first place.

So you believe we should allow slurs to keep discriminating against people?

[Captiotia]

I hate heterosexism and heteronormativity, how's that?
Homophobia too, but homophobia is not synonymous with the two terms above.

I cannot see very much of the MOGAI community accepting 'gay' as a catch-all for them... It brings to mind the cis gay male community focusing the "spotlight" of queer rights onto them, wrongly so. I see queer being more and more accepted, at least regarding orientation. Trans people are usually identified as... trans. Or genderqueer, but it differs for everyone.
Combining marginalized sexualities and romantic orientations into just 'orientations', plus adding all oppressed gender identities and finally intersex', you've got Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, And Intersex. Alternative is MOGII, but the A provides the ability to include Asexual as seperate from orientations for those who don't consider it one.

[Valica]

I hate heterosexism and heteronormativity, how's that?
Homophobia too, but homophobia is not synonymous with the two terms above.

I cannot see very much of the MOGAI community accepting 'gay' as a catch-all for them... It brings to mind the cis gay male community focusing the "spotlight" of queer rights onto them, wrongly so. I see queer being more and more accepted, at least regarding orientation. Trans people are usually identified as... trans. Or genderqueer, but it differs for everyone.
Combining marginalized sexualities and romantic orientations into just 'orientations', plus adding all oppressed gender identities and finally intersex', you've got Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, And Intersex. Alternative is MOGII, but the A provides the ability to include Asexual as seperate from orientations for those who don't consider it one.

I like GSM better. It rolls off the tongue.

[Lies and Ignorance]

It's not meant to. It'd have to be true in the first place.

So you believe we should allow slurs to keep discriminating against people?

That question didn't even make sense.

[Calisu]

So you believe we should allow slurs to keep discriminating against people?

That question didn't even make sense.

I'll take that as a yes.

[Lies and Ignorance]

That question didn't even make sense.

I'll take that as a yes.

I don't really care. I oppose the use of homophobic slurs because I know the trauma they cause. I don't need your token approval.

[Calisu]

I'll take that as a yes.

I don't really care. I oppose the use of homophobic slurs because I know the trauma they cause. I don't need your token approval.

And I don't need to be protected by you.

[Captiotia]

I hate heterosexism and heteronormativity, how's that?
Homophobia too, but homophobia is not synonymous with the two terms above.

I cannot see very much of the MOGAI community accepting 'gay' as a catch-all for them... It brings to mind the cis gay male community focusing the "spotlight" of queer rights onto them, wrongly so. I see queer being more and more accepted, at least regarding orientation. Trans people are usually identified as... trans. Or genderqueer, but it differs for everyone.
Combining marginalized sexualities and romantic orientations into just 'orientations', plus adding all oppressed gender identities and finally intersex', you've got Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, And Intersex. Alternative is MOGII, but the A provides the ability to include Asexual as seperate from orientations for those who don't consider it one.

I like GSM better. It rolls off the tongue.

IIRC GSM was created by a straight kinkster to include kinksters and pedophiles also, I believe. Because they are a sexual minority. I'll get sources when I'm not on my phone. Also MOGAI is easier to say as a word than GSM.

[Lies and Ignorance]

I don't really care. I oppose the use of homophobic slurs because I know the trauma they cause. I don't need your token approval.

And I don't need to be protected by you.

Who said I was protecting you?

[Grenartia]

I like GSM better. It rolls off the tongue.

IIRC GSM was created by a straight kinkster to include kinksters and pedophiles also, I believe. Because they are a sexual minority. I'll get sources when I'm not on my phone. Also MOGAI is easier to say as a word than GSM.

Why can't we just use LGBTQ+?

I mean, really. Its simple, based on an abbreviation that's already in the national consciousness, and we won't constantly have to have the "why are you changing the terms on us?", etc. bullshit which only serves to distract from the conversation and the activism (as does this debate about which term to use, which is why we should all just agree on one damn term).

[Farnhamia]

IIRC GSM was created by a straight kinkster to include kinksters and pedophiles also, I believe. Because they are a sexual minority. I'll get sources when I'm not on my phone. Also MOGAI is easier to say as a word than GSM.

Why can't we just use LGBTQ+?

I mean, really. Its simple, based on an abbreviation that's already in the national consciousness, and we won't constantly have to have the "why are you changing the terms on us?", etc. bullshit which only serves to distract from the conversation and the activism (as does this debate about which term to use, which is why we should all just agree on one damn term).

And anyway, MOGAI sounds like a character in The Jungle Book. I'm in favor of fewer acronyms.

[Des-Bal]

This is one of the most bleak posts I've ever read.

The world is a bleak place. The simple fact of the matter is that slurs are often born completely innocently and that the malicious ones are as likely to be pushed out by social consciousness as they are to simply fall out of vogue or even enter the lexicon.

[Des-Bal]

Why can't we just use LGBTQ+?

I mean, really. Its simple, based on an abbreviation that's already in the national consciousness, and we won't constantly have to have the "why are you changing the terms on us?", etc. bullshit which only serves to distract from the conversation and the activism (as does this debate about which term to use, which is why we should all just agree on one damn term).

Because it's a long unpronounceable acronym and eventually someone is going to take offense to being "+"

[Calisu]

Why can't we just use LGBTQ+?

I mean, really. Its simple, based on an abbreviation that's already in the national consciousness, and we won't constantly have to have the "why are you changing the terms on us?", etc. bullshit which only serves to distract from the conversation and the activism (as does this debate about which term to use, which is why we should all just agree on one damn term).

And anyway, MOGAI sounds like a character in The Jungle Book. I'm in favor of fewer acronyms.

MOGAI is less oppressive to LGBT people than LGBT groups are.

[Othelos]

I hate heterosexism and heteronormativity, how's that?
Homophobia too, but homophobia is not synonymous with the two terms above.

I cannot see very much of the MOGAI community accepting 'gay' as a catch-all for them... It brings to mind the cis gay male community focusing the "spotlight" of queer rights onto them, wrongly so. I see queer being more and more accepted, at least regarding orientation. Trans people are usually identified as... trans. Or genderqueer, but it differs for everyone.
Combining marginalized sexualities and romantic orientations into just 'orientations', plus adding all oppressed gender identities and finally intersex', you've got Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, And Intersex. Alternative is MOGII, but the A provides the ability to include Asexual as seperate from orientations for those who don't consider it one.

That term is terrible, because it implies that less common orientations/genders are automatically going to be marginalized.

[Othelos]

I'm just going to keep using LGBT, because the average person actually knows what it means.

[Grenartia]

Why can't we just use LGBTQ+?

I mean, really. Its simple, based on an abbreviation that's already in the national consciousness, and we won't constantly have to have the "why are you changing the terms on us?", etc. bullshit which only serves to distract from the conversation and the activism (as does this debate about which term to use, which is why we should all just agree on one damn term).

And anyway, MOGAI sounds like a character in The Jungle Book. I'm in favor of fewer acronyms.

I thought it sounded more like the eponymous creatures from Gremlins.

I hate heterosexism and heteronormativity, how's that?
Homophobia too, but homophobia is not synonymous with the two terms above.

I cannot see very much of the MOGAI community accepting 'gay' as a catch-all for them... It brings to mind the cis gay male community focusing the "spotlight" of queer rights onto them, wrongly so. I see queer being more and more accepted, at least regarding orientation. Trans people are usually identified as... trans. Or genderqueer, but it differs for everyone.
Combining marginalized sexualities and romantic orientations into just 'orientations', plus adding all oppressed gender identities and finally intersex', you've got Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, And Intersex. Alternative is MOGII, but the A provides the ability to include Asexual as seperate from orientations for those who don't consider it one.

That term is terrible, because it implies that less common orientations/genders are automatically going to be marginalized.

Also, this.

I'm just going to keep using LGBT, because the average person actually knows what it means.

And this.

[Calisu]

I'm just going to keep using LGBT, because the average person actually knows what it means.

LGBT groups discriminate against the same people they are supposed to stand up for. MOGAI is preferred by the vast majority of people.

[Des-Bal]

LGBT groups discriminate against the same people they are supposed to stand up for. MOGAI is preferred by the vast majority of people.

Source?

[Grenartia]

I'm just going to keep using LGBT, because the average person actually knows what it means.

1. LGBT groups discriminate against the same people they are supposed to stand up for. 2. MOGAI is preferred by the vast majority of people.

1. Doesn't mean the term itself is bad.

2. Prove it.

[Calisu]

LGBT groups discriminate against the same people they are supposed to stand up for. MOGAI is preferred by the vast majority of people.

Source?

Aside from it being widely known?
https://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/discri ... der-people

[Des-Bal]

Aside from it being widely known?
https://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/discri ... der-people

" MOGAI is preferred by the vast majority of people."

Source.