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Postby Landofromania » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:38 am

Asigna wrote:THE BIBLE IS A METAPHOR.

No really.

It has been a wonder to me if many people have greatly misinterpreted the words of the bible especially about the concepts. Over the time i had experienced with Jesuits, read countless of bible studies and had heard from our religion class, and after mixing it all together excluding the mainstream bible interpretations heard at mass, particular things are misinterpreted mostly by church traditions.

The concept of afterlife - The kingdom of god, as it is said is a state in which a person becomes self fulfilled but in a good way and this fulfillment can only be attained after doing good actions to one another. In this state, we find true self satisfaction and true happiness but however, this "kingdom" is rather not a place but rather a state of true happiness that exists in this physical world.

Hell on the other hand is a state of a separation from this happiness and the state of evil reigning truly over your life depriving you from the true happiness in which you really need. The "fires of hell" rather is the anger that, rage and hatred that exists in a person. This "fire of hell", if it exists in one person will likely make another person suffer and is rooted because of sin. If there was no sin, then there is nothing to be angry about.

The story of creation - In my opinion forgive me all creationist), the story of the creation of the world is rather not a fact, rather a story of what caused man to have such a crap-sack lifestyle in the first place. The true essence of the creation story is that god created that world (in reality, it was created through the big bang) and that man was called to do good by god as soon as they were created but man, whom in turn, tempted by the serpent (which is a metaphor for selfish desires and evil of men), wanted to be more than god so he ate the fruit of knowledge (this is a metaphor for science, in which now we are trying to use to exalt ourselves as men glorious over the earth and at the same time trying to deny god's existence with it). So man, whom tried to be independent from god's arms in the search for the path of god hood seeked their own way which is 'human'. And inside that human nature is suffering. Something humanity would not have seen if they chose to follow god's way. Man chose the way of his self through sin. That sin, is an action which defies god. Treason to god on layman's terms or an act of human rebellion.

7 deadly sins The 7 deadly sins do not immediately lead to condemnation rather, they are the sins that are "deadly" because they can cause greater trouble. (E.G. Lust is not a sin that can bring you to hell but rather it can distort your perception of life by letting you see people as objects of desire ultimately making you treat a person as if he/she were a sex doll that has no dignity and purpose other than to give you those lovely sensations and anger is not a sin in itself rather it can lead you to do even deadly things like wrath flipping you out of control making you kill somebody else).

Homosexuality The bible does not condemn homosexuals in itself (we all know that). They condemn "homosexual acts". While these homosexual acts remain vaguely described, these acts are in fact the meaningless sex that happens between two gays or lesbians that has no biological purpose whatsoever rather than to bring pleasure. But aside from the sex, anything else is okay. That will not stop homosexuals from loving with one another as a couple because that love is a good thing. All love is good. But Homosexuals are called to love yet called to be purely out of the domain of sex, something very hard to do. There is either a clean and healthy homosexual relationship in which, is clean and has no sex and just pure love or the other "dirty" one in which, there is sex. But because the early church did not know what the homosexual acts mean, they decided to ban all kinds of homosexual activity whether be it love or mere sex denouncing them all as 'Sodomy' just to be sure.

The 10 commandments One of the ten commandments mention "do not use the lord's name in vain". This is not literal, rather, the fact that certain people claim to be "holier than thou" using god's name to condemn someone who is actually more innocent or using god's name to put someone down. Or using god's name for evil purposes (Al Qaeda, who seeks world domination by using god's name as a pretense to killing someone for the sake of their own twisted agendas) is using a real demonstration of how god's name can be used in vain.

In the past we recall the pope being a dictator of Europe rather than a mere head of the church and the catholic church stealing money from the people while telling the people "that god demanded the money".

What happens after death - The revelation reveals if one has lived a meaningful life then one will be one with a place that "has no sorrow nor pain nor sadness but happiness". Could it be that one will transcend into a state of utter perfection where one can no longer do any mistakes? By saying so, the only way it is possible is the soul of that person to become one with god. By being one with god, who is all good and happy, that is heaven. Who knows? That is my perception on the words of the bible.


That will be about it of my perceptions of the bible. What do you think about this? It all makes sense for me.


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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:38 am

Many written documents are. The Communist Manifesto, or the Hussein-Mac Mahon Correspondence, or even your ordinary history textbook, for example. They are all open to interpretation.

EDIT: So are speeches and sermons, for example.
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Postby Asigna » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:39 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Many written documents are. The Communist Manifesto, or the Hussein-Mac Mahon Correspondence, or even your ordinary history textbook, for example. They are all open to interpretation.


I wish the bible was as clear and straight to the point as Mein Kampf.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:40 am

Asigna wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Well, I'm fairly sure gaysex and masturbation cause happiness and balance if used correctly (and most people doing them do so) and their purpose is exactly that (as for the balance, we have libido-possessed bodies with biological demi-necessities too).


If used correctly? Well, we all are human and are not formidable walls that can resist temptation to lust forever. We gotta have a breaking point were we all gotta let it all out. It's the same with heteros who had sex with condoms.

But in the bible (at least how i look at it), glorifies love (any as long as there is and is true), and reproduction over mere sex.


Gay people's relationships are often very loving and many heterosexual couples can't reproduce. And as for this disdain for lust... the unnecessaary self-repression of basic human desires is a pretty sadistic teaching which makes your god look like a bitter lonely virgin "nice guy" who just got "friendzoned" again and doesn't want anyone else to have fun.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:41 am

Asigna wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Many written documents are. The Communist Manifesto, or the Hussein-Mac Mahon Correspondence, or even your ordinary history textbook, for example. They are all open to interpretation.


I wish the bible was as clear and straight to the point as Mein Kampf.


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Postby Asigna » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:42 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Gay people's relationships are often very loving and many heterosexual couples can't reproduce. And as for this disdain for lust... the unnecessaary self-repression of basic human desires is a pretty sadistic teaching which makes your god look like a bitter lonely virgin "nice guy" who just got "friendzoned" again and doesn't want anyone else to have fun.


Hmm..I get your point. Sex might be built also as a sign for intimacy and not necessarily pertaining to lust at all times if its not productive.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:43 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:

Hail Grenartia, he knows the will of the almighty creator.
Hail hail.
Look how their faith makes them so humble.
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What you mean Grenatia is that YOU have no problem with homosexuality. Unless you claim speak to god, and we're back to me mocking extreme arrogance.


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And I'm only claiming to deduce God's will from the assumption that God is rational, merciful, and loving (which is rather required of God by Christian doctrine), and using known scientific facts about the subject with logic.


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But that isn't what you claimed. You can backpedal all you want, or you can simply admit it was a fuckup.
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Postby Aelbica » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:43 am

Asigna wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Many written documents are. The Communist Manifesto, or the Hussein-Mac Mahon Correspondence, or even your ordinary history textbook, for example. They are all open to interpretation.


I wish the bible was as clear and straight to the point as Mein Kampf.


But in many ways great literature isn't supposed to be clear and straight to the point. If it was than it wouldn't be so easily applicable to so many people's lives over thousands of years.
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Postby Magna Libero » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Asigna wrote:
Aelbica wrote:You sound like your viewpoints are very similar to contemporary theology of the Episcopal, UCC, and Lutheran churches.


I do not relate myself with being an orthodox Christian. As long as i believe in Jesus, i am a catholic.

Can you show me where in the Bible does it say there is a thing called "the 7 deadly sins", saints and can't think of any other things at the moment?
Edit: Oh yes! And the pope.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Asigna wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Well, I'm fairly sure gaysex and masturbation cause happiness and balance if used correctly (and most people doing them do so) and their purpose is exactly that (as for the balance, we have libido-possessed bodies with biological demi-necessities too).

If used correctly? Well, we all are human and are not formidable walls that can resist temptation to lust forever. We gotta have a breaking point were we all gotta let it all out. It's the same with heteros who had sex with condoms.

But in the bible (at least how i look at it), glorifies love (any as long as there is and is true), and reproduction over mere sex.

If sex-negativity worked and made people happy, society wouldn't be like it was and is today.

I think sex ethics should adapt to each social condition we are presently in, and what we need nowadays is a glorification of consent and right to be respected with your private life.

Sure some want love and reproduction and there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think this should be taught as a cookie modeler everyone should try to conform to if it isn't their style.

But then I'm not a Christian.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Asigna wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Gay people's relationships are often very loving and many heterosexual couples can't reproduce. And as for this disdain for lust... the unnecessaary self-repression of basic human desires is a pretty sadistic teaching which makes your god look like a bitter lonely virgin "nice guy" who just got "friendzoned" again and doesn't want anyone else to have fun.


Hmm..I get your point. Sex might be built also as a sign for intimacy and not necessarily pertaining to lust at all times if its not productive.


If two people are happily consenting and enjoying themselves that would seem to be a pretty productive activity.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:People think it has any relevance or baring on reality.
That's a pretty big misunderstanding.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Asigna wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
what punishment?


The punishment of having to believe with the people who understood it wrong (certain priests don;t even know what the day's gospel means and they stand there and peach?). Perhaps, the best way to make spread god's word is to simply give another person the bible and then leave it for him to understand.


nah. the bible isn't the most important part of Christianity. the traditions of the church and the interpretation of the bible that it promotes at whatever time you are living in is what matters. from time to time it has even been used for social change like those in the US who used it to challenge slavery by rejecting those biblical passages that support slavery. now we would never use the bible to support slavery. the interpretation has changed.

anyway we only believe because it makes sense to us. when it doesn't make sense we choose a different religion that does or become atheists.
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Postby Asigna » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:44 am

Magna Libero wrote:Can you show me where in the Bible does it say there is a thing called "the 7 deadly sins", saints and can't think of any other things at the moment?


It's somewhere located in the book of psalms. This interpretation was only sourced from a group of Jesuits i know who told me that.
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Postby Aelbica » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:46 am

Asigna wrote:
Aelbica wrote:You sound like your viewpoints are very similar to contemporary theology of the Episcopal, UCC, and Lutheran churches.


I do not relate myself with being an orthodox Christian. As long as i believe in Jesus, i am a catholic.


Lower case catholic?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:46 am

Aelbica wrote:
Asigna wrote:
I wish the bible was as clear and straight to the point as Mein Kampf.


But in many ways great literature isn't supposed to be clear and straight to the point. If it was than it wouldn't be so easily applicable to so many people's lives over thousands of years.


You're crediting these people with far too much.
It's incredibly poorly written already, adding on the implication that they secretly mean something else and are using metaphors and stuff is simply beyond credibility.
It simply isn't consistent with the level of talent contained in the writing.

These were uneducated people having a go at writing. And you expect me to believe they were using complex metaphors and shit?
ESPECIALLY in an age where Interpreting religion differently was grounds to get you killed? They mean EXACTLY what they said.

It's simply hilarious that anyone suspects otherwise.
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:48 am

Ashmoria wrote:the bible is a metaphor and a guide to the will of god. an imperfect guide.

it is still in common use today thousands of years after it was written because its very size and imperfection has allowed it to be relevant to people whose society could not be imagined by its authors.

This, and while I think there is a bit more literalness in the bible (yes, I do think God actually exists), I think there are things in the bible that are metaphors, some of which most people take literally.
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Postby Hindenburgia » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:48 am

Asigna wrote:The story of creation - In my opinion forgive me all creationist), the story of the creation of the world is rather not a fact, rather a story of what caused man to have such a crap-sack lifestyle in the first place. The true essence of the creation story is that god created that world (in reality, it was created through the big bang) and that man was called to do good by god as soon as they were created but man, whom in turn, tempted by the serpent (which is a metaphor for selfish desires and evil of men), wanted to be more than god so he ate the fruit of knowledge (this is a metaphor for science, in which now we are trying to use to exalt ourselves as men glorious over the earth and at the same time trying to deny god's existence with it). So man, whom tried to be independent from god's arms in the search for the path of god hood seeked their own way which is 'human'. And inside that human nature is suffering. Something humanity would not have seen if they chose to follow god's way. Man chose the way of his self through sin. That sin, is an action which defies god. Treason to god on layman's terms or an act of human rebellion.


So what you're saying is that to strive for self-improvement "defies god"? I'm guessing you don't ever use medicine, then. Or computers. Or any of that other "treason", as you put it. Myself, I choose to understand the world around me. And before anyone brings up the whole "knowing too much about a thing destroys it" cliché, if looking too closely at something renders it repulsive, perhaps it wasn't all that nice to begin with. Also:
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:48 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:You're crediting these people with far too much.
It's incredibly poorly written already, adding on the implication that they secretly mean something else and are using metaphors and stuff is simply beyond credibility.
It simply isn't consistent with the level of talent contained in the writing.

These were uneducated people having a go at writing. And you expect me to believe they were using complex metaphors and shit?
ESPECIALLY in an age where Interpreting religion differently was grounds to get you killed? They mean EXACTLY what they said.

It's simply hilarious that anyone suspects otherwise.

Eh, this.
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Postby Asigna » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:49 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:These were uneducated people having a go at writing. And you expect me to believe they were using complex metaphors and shit?
ESPECIALLY in an age where Interpreting religion differently was grounds to get you killed? They mean EXACTLY what they said.

It's simply hilarious that anyone suspects otherwise.


I am not telling you to believe in the written interpretations. You might be misinterpreting me. It's rather an opinion.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:50 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If you keep having to stretch interpretations of a text to make it look even barely socially acceptable and credible then it might be time to drop it in the dustbin.

that is what will happen when it is no longer possible to make it relevant. then we'll have to find some other more relevant religion. I hope its not scientology.


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Asigna wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:These were uneducated people having a go at writing. And you expect me to believe they were using complex metaphors and shit?
ESPECIALLY in an age where Interpreting religion differently was grounds to get you killed? They mean EXACTLY what they said.

It's simply hilarious that anyone suspects otherwise.


I am not telling you to believe in the written interpretations. You might be misinterpreting me. It's rather an opinion.


Your opinion is wrong, and i've explained why.
You believe that people who were worse educated and stupider than the vast majority of the population of the planet currently, even in economically deprived areas, were capable of this kind of literary subtlety.
That's just ridiculous.
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Postby Magna Libero » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:51 am

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Magna Libero wrote:Can you show me where in the Bible does it say there is a thing called "the 7 deadly sins", saints and can't think of any other things at the moment?


It's somewhere located in the book of psalms. This interpretation was only sourced from a group of Jesuits i know who told me that.

Alright. I'd like to read that some day.

But how about the pope and the cardinals etc? Why give so much power and authority to them and why give to someone, who lives in Italy and Rome, which is situated on the lands of the Roman Empire, which used to be very much anti-Christian, anti-God and anti-Israel.
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Postby Gallup » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:53 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:People think it has any relevance or baring on reality.
That's a pretty big misunderstanding.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:53 am

Wilgrove wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that is what will happen when it is no longer possible to make it relevant. then we'll have to find some other more relevant religion. I hope its not scientology.


Paganism will return in place of the Abrahamic religions. *nods*

hi wil! I hardly ever see you post anymore.

how many people in your troup?

it may be time to drop the "submission to the will of god" religions. they don't work as well as they did when all we cared about was our own tribe.

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troup?? I meant GROUP. some days it doesn't pay to walk away from the computer after you press submit.
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