Philippines Discussion Thread

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

All of you wished a bigger philipinian country using the spanish forces for it? Lol. You hated being spanish but you wish they had conquered more for you xD

No, we just wish the British conquered us and as such create a united south-east Asian nation, it wouldn't be called Philippines though since that's a Spanish name, so it's probably going to be called Victoria or something.

That's going to be a Muslim one with a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

No, we just wish the British conquered us and as such create a united south-east Asian nation, it wouldn't be called Philippines though since that's a Spanish name, so it's probably going to be called Victoria or something.

That's going to be a Muslim one with a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture.

Yeah, I guess you win some and then you lose some...

[Bodhicruize]

Personally I think the Hispanization of the Philippine was NOT due to inferiority complex in the side of the Filipinos. Rather they simply allied with Spain to face a common Muslim enemy.


Ya know. In Cebu, the Muslim Magalos slavers from Mindanao used to periodically burn the Rajahnate of Cebu. In Panay, the Noble Court of Madja-as was allegedly burned by Moros and in Luzon, the Kingdom of Tondo was reduced to vassalage by the Sultanate of Brunei when they established Manila (shortening of the Arabic word Fi-Ammanila, meaning "Allah's safety") as a satellite state under the Sultanate of Brunei's control.

In the meantime, in Spain, during the Reconquista, the Christians had kicked out the invading Muslims of the Umayyad Caliphate. The Spanish then made a divide and conquer tactic in the Philippines. They employed Non-Muslim Filipinos and converted them to Christianity, i.e. Visayans, and then attacked Muslim Manila and then waged the Moro wars against the Sultanate of Brunei, Sulu, Maguindanao and Lanao.

Since there were already a common cause-for-war between the Spanish who kicked out the Muslim invaders during the Reconquista and the Non-Muslim Filipinos who were made slaves by the Muslim Filipinos.

The latter allied themselves to the former.

That's my theory.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Personally I think the Hispanization of the Philippine was NOT due to inferiority complex in the side of the Filipinos. Rather they simply allied with Spain to face a common Muslim enemy.


Ya know. In Cebu, the Muslim Magalos slavers from Mindanao used to periodically burn the Rajahnate of Cebu. In Panay, the Noble Court of Madja-as was allegedly burned by Moros and in Luzon, the Kingdom of Tondo was reduced to vassalage by the Sultanate of Brunei when they established Manila (shortening of the Arabic word Fi-Ammanila, meaning "Allah's safety") as a satellite state under the Sultanate of Brunei's control.

In the meantime, in Spain, during the Reconquista, the Christians had kicked out the invading Muslims of the Umayyad Caliphate. The Spanish then made a divide and conquer tactic in the Philippines. They employed Non-Muslim Filipinos and converted them to Christianity, i.e. Visayans, and then attacked Muslim Manila and then waged the Moro wars against the Sultanate of Brunei, Sulu, Maguindanao and Lanao.

Since there were already a common cause-for-war between the Spanish who kicked out the Muslim invaders during the Reconquista and the Non-Muslim Filipinos who were made slaved by the Muslim Filipinos.

The latter allied themselves to the former.

That's my theory.

I also view this theory positively, that one of the reasons the Spanish had an easy time establishing influence towards the animist and the Hindu-Buddhist Filipinos was that they perceived the Muslims to be a greater threat.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Now I don't assume, I understand that the belief of an individual and the entire general population can differ immensely, especially considering that every single individual is different. However, for the purposes of simplification of ideological beliefs, I have classified how those who through the use of two main complexes, generally make decisions pertaining to the importance of what they hold dear. I understand that there are many variations of gray, however, depending on the actions they undertake in order to defend or not defend that belief, will determine whether or not they really truly believe in something, I mean if you worship in secret for example, that would mean that you have a superiority complex in the sense that your belief is so important to you that you're willing to run the risk of getting caught just to practice your belief, and so on and so forth.

One problem is that you are unclear and too liberal in using the term "inferiority complex" and "superiority complex". Can you tell, basing on your definitions how does one get a superiority complex and an inferiority complex? Adherence to a religion is a belief, belief that the religion of your ethnic or cultural group of your nation is invalid is not inferiority complex, nor belief that it is superior over all is not superiority complex, they are nothing but merely religious beliefs.

If you convert to Islam, despite having a so-called "superiority complex" and still secretly practicing Christianity, then, people with the so-called "superiority complex" going by your definitions does not always resist forced mass religious conversion, going against your previous claims.

Well I would say that you get these complexes depending on your actions, I mean your actions are a reflection of what you deem is best (I'm talking about someone who is of sound mind by the way). I mean prioritising food for example means that you view food superior relative to let's say owning a car so will try and commit actions (job) that will ensure that food is always on the table. The complexes that I spoke of are basically related to beliefs and ideals, intangible things that are extremely important in any society.

As for your analogy, if you practice it in secret, doesn't that mean that you haven't converted at all, I mean you may show you're practicing the alien religion, but if in reality you deem it important enough to risk comfort or even your life then I would say you still have a superiority complex, because you're stubborn and that's the whole point of it being called superior in the first place, you deem it important, if it isn't you'll just forget about it and do what the alien tells you to, in body and at heart.

[Bodhicruize]

Personally I think the Hispanization of the Philippine was NOT due to inferiority complex in the side of the Filipinos. Rather they simply allied with Spain to face a common Muslim enemy.


Ya know. In Cebu, the Muslim Magalos slavers from Mindanao used to periodically burn the Rajahnate of Cebu. In Panay, the Noble Court of Madja-as was allegedly burned by Moros and in Luzon, the Kingdom of Tondo was reduced to vassalage by the Sultanate of Brunei when they established Manila (shortening of the Arabic word Fi-Ammanila, meaning "Allah's safety") as a satellite state under the Sultanate of Brunei's control.

In the meantime, in Spain, during the Reconquista, the Christians had kicked out the invading Muslims of the Umayyad Caliphate. The Spanish then made a divide and conquer tactic in the Philippines. They employed Non-Muslim Filipinos and converted them to Christianity, i.e. Visayans, and then attacked Muslim Manila and then waged the Moro wars against the Sultanate of Brunei, Sulu, Maguindanao and Lanao.

Since there were already a common cause-for-war between the Spanish who kicked out the Muslim invaders during the Reconquista and the Non-Muslim Filipinos who were made slaved by the Muslim Filipinos.

The latter allied themselves to the former.

That's my theory.

I also view this theory positively, that one of the reasons the Spanish had an easy time establishing influence towards the animist and the Hindu-Buddhist Filipinos was that they perceived the Muslims to be a greater threat.

We'll the Hindu-Buddhist Filipinos of the Rajahnates of Butuan and Cebu would have a causus-beli against Muslims mainly because at the Hindu-Buddhist Holy land in India, Muslims were responsible for destroying Nalanda University (A Tantric university which is the oldest University in the world). Nalanda was destroyed by Khtiyar Uddin Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji for example. Furthermore, the Hindu Majapahit Empire was also destroyed by a coalition of newly formed Sultanates: The Sultanates of Malacca, Ache, Bantam, Yogyakarta, Mataram, Demak and Moluccas.

In addition to the fact that Visayans were enslaved by Moros...

So, Visayans were eager to convert to the Christian Spaniards who defeated the Umayyad Caliphate and both assaulted Muslim Manila and went to war withe the Sultanate of Brunei.

[Bodhicruize]

Just a little known fact, according to Francisco de Sande in his written works to the King of Spain...

The Bruneians had enslaved the animist Bisaya of Borneo and the Bisaya of the Visayas islands were related to them. That would also be another causes belli over why the Christianized Visayans attacked Muslim Manila and then attacked the Sultanate of Brunei in the Castille War.

[Bodhicruize]

One problem is that you are unclear and too liberal in using the term "inferiority complex" and "superiority complex". Can you tell, basing on your definitions how does one get a superiority complex and an inferiority complex? Adherence to a religion is a belief, belief that the religion of your ethnic or cultural group of your nation is invalid is not inferiority complex, nor belief that it is superior over all is not superiority complex, they are nothing but merely religious beliefs.

If you convert to Islam, despite having a so-called "superiority complex" and still secretly practicing Christianity, then, people with the so-called "superiority complex" going by your definitions does not always resist forced mass religious conversion, going against your previous claims.

Well I would say that you get these complexes depending on your actions, I mean your actions are a reflection of what you deem is best (I'm talking about someone who is of sound mind by the way). I mean prioritising food for example means that you view food superior relative to let's say owning a car so will try and commit actions (job) that will ensure that food is always on the table. The complexes that I spoke of are basically related to beliefs and ideals, intangible things that are extremely important in any society.

As for your analogy, if you practice it in secret, doesn't that mean that you haven't converted at all, I mean you may show you're practicing the alien religion, but if in reality you deem it important enough to risk comfort or even your life then I would say you still have a superiority complex, because you're stubborn and that's the whole point of it being called superior in the first place, you deem it important, if it isn't you'll just forget about it and do what the alien tells you to, in body and at heart.

I disagree with your inferiority complex theory at all. The Christianization and Hispanization of the Philippines was mainly the amelioration or an alliance between Non Muslim Filipinos who were oppressed by Muslim Filipinos with the Christian Spaniards who had Rechristianized the parts of Muslim Spain which used to belong to the invading Umayyad Caliphate which had invaded Spain from Arabia.

[Bodhicruize]

No, we just wish the British conquered us and as such create a united south-east Asian nation, it wouldn't be called Philippines though since that's a Spanish name, so it's probably going to be called Victoria or something.

That's going to be a Muslim one with a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture.

Thank God we're not a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture and that we're a unique Latin culture in Asia.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

That's going to be a Muslim one with a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture.

Thank God we're not a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture and that we're a unique Latin culture in Asia.

You mean the Mexico of Asia?

[The Lacedaemonians]

You mean the Mexico of Asia?

Do you have bullfights and wrestlers too?

Because if so you'd be my new favorite country in the ASEAN.

[Asigna]

Why do you all support the Spanish? It would have been better if we were if things were different... If things were more Islamic.. You infidels deserve nothing but the sword!


*SMALL DISCLAIMER: I'm not generalizing all Muslims as terrorists. This is just for humor purposes

Just kidding...I'm revising my statements earlier.

Yes, true, the Spanish indeed had saved us from becoming a less desirable state and of course, we owe our existence as a nation and our identity as Filipinos to our former colonial masters.

There would had not been a more effective way to unify a politically and culturally divided archipelago other than religion.

In before the lock.

Lol you're a contradiction Asigna. A pro-Nazi Filipino...

When the Axis once oppressed the Philippines. XD

You're Chavacano. So I think you would understand a little bit of Spanish...

Los nazis eran horribles

Not a nazi. Let me clarify things for you in chabakokangcano.

No mas usar incorrectos nombres para identificar cun migo. Iyo y un adherido de las ideologías progresibos.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

You mean the Mexico of Asia?

Do you have bullfights and wrestlers too?

Because if so you'd be my new favorite country in the ASEAN.

Farming using bulls and people beating each other up because of DOTA.

[The Lacedaemonians]

Do you have bullfights and wrestlers too?

Because if so you'd be my new favorite country in the ASEAN.

Farming using bulls and people beating each other up because of DOTA.

Aww. That doesn't cut it.

[Bodhicruize]

Thank God we're not a carbon copy of Indonesian and Malaysian culture and that we're a unique Latin culture in Asia.

You mean the Mexico of Asia?

That belongs to Asigna's hometown. Zamboanga is Asia's Latin city. They also speak a daughter-language derived from Mexican-Spanish, the Creole called Chavacano as they are mostly descended from Latin-American soldiers and non Muslim converts to Christianity, the Subanen as well as Visayan migrants. They're also a Christian city surrounded by Muslims too but they're fighters. XD

[Neo Philippine Empire]

-snip-

I haven't seen you for a year but what have you eaten?

[Asigna]

-snip-

I haven't seen you for a year but what have you eaten?

I've grown tired of manipulating people in NS using fake hatreds. (Never really hated the Chinese).

[Bodhicruize]

Do you have bullfights and wrestlers too?

Because if so you'd be my new favorite country in the ASEAN.

Farming using bulls and people beating each other up because of DOTA.

We have something better.

We invented the Butterfly knife, the Balisong, from Batangas.

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We even have our own martial arts for it. Kali Esgrima.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-6ixTIHI_M

[Neo Philippine Empire]

I haven't seen you for a year but what have you eaten?

I've grown tired of manipulating people in NS using fake hatreds. (Never really hated the Chinese).

Good, now that you have shown your true colors, no need to have fake hatred as well.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Farming using bulls and people beating each other up because of DOTA.

We have something better.

We invented the Butterfly knife, the Balisong, from Batangas.

A GIF (Let it load)


We even have our own martial arts for it. Kali Esgrima.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-6ixTIHI_M

Folding knife>Balisong

[Bodhicruize]

We have something better.

We invented the Butterfly knife, the Balisong, from Batangas.

A GIF (Let it load)
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We even have our own martial arts for it. Kali Esgrima.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-6ixTIHI_M

Folding knife>Balisong

Kerambit>Folding Knife.

http://www.pasarlelaki.com/content/uplo ... umcopy.jpg

[Asigna]

I've grown tired of manipulating people in NS using fake hatreds. (Never really hated the Chinese).

Good, now that you have shown your true colors, no need to have fake hatred as well.

I'm very sorry. A lot of people have already condemned me in NS as this is a bad habit. Heck, even the entire Axis (now known as $acto, yes, the alliance that i created myself) has expelled me for nearly manipulating a war against Golgoth (i hated some few people there).

Anyway, chat's over, if you wan to talk to me about this more you can talk to me in the TGs.

You mean the Mexico of Asia?

That belongs to Asigna's hometown. Zamboanga is Asia's Latin city. They also speak a daughter-language derived from Mexican-Spanish, the Creole called Chavacano as they are mostly descended from Latin-American soldiers and non Muslim converts to Christianity, the Subanen as well as Visayan migrants. They're also a Christian city surrounded by Muslims too but they're fighters. XD

That's most especially true with nearly every family i know having connection to the local military one way or another. A lot of people's ambitions here , especially those from the lower income classes have their ambitions influenced by the reality of war, they too want to contribute to the effort of fighting in the insurgency.

Oh, have i mentioned that iglesia ni Cristo is busy prolesitizing in the airforce? Yes, last summer when i was in a 40 day training, some INC priest was gathering us all for 40 minutes of preaching from the "true church". In the end of the training, a fourth of my batch was already converted.

I refused to go along with the band wagon obviously...

[Bodhicruize]

Why do you all support the Spanish? It would have been better if we were if things were different... If things were more Islamic.. You infidels deserve nothing but the sword!

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*SMALL DISCLAIMER: I'm not generalizing all Muslims as terrorists. This is just for humor purposes

Just kidding...I'm revising my statements earlier.

Yes, true, the Spanish indeed had saved us from becoming a less desirable state and of course, we owe our existence as a nation and our identity as Filipinos to our former colonial masters.

There would had not been a more effective way to unify a politically and culturally divided archipelago other than religion.

Lol you're a contradiction Asigna. A pro-Nazi Filipino...

When the Axis once oppressed the Philippines. XD

You're Chavacano. So I think you would understand a little bit of Spanish...

Los nazis eran horribles

Not a nazi. Let me clarify things for you in chabakokangcano.

No mas usar incorrectos nombres para identificar cun migo. Iyo y un adherido de las ideologías progresibos.

Concerning this picture you posted...



That dude martyred by ISIS at the upper left-most corner of the picture, the American James Foley.

His grand uncle was once the Bishop here of my city, Iloilo-Philippines. Bishop Maurice Patrick Foley was once our Bishop.

And lol I'm sorry that I teased you that you were Nazi XD

[Bodhicruize]

Good, now that you have shown your true colors, no need to have fake hatred as well.

I'm very sorry. A lot of people have already condemned me in NS as this is a bad habit. Heck, even the entire Axis (now known as $acto, yes, the alliance that i created myself) has expelled me for nearly manipulating a war against Golgoth (i hated some few people there).

Anyway, chat's over, if you wan to talk to me about this more you can talk to me in the TGs.

That belongs to Asigna's hometown. Zamboanga is Asia's Latin city. They also speak a daughter-language derived from Mexican-Spanish, the Creole called Chavacano as they are mostly descended from Latin-American soldiers and non Muslim converts to Christianity, the Subanen as well as Visayan migrants. They're also a Christian city surrounded by Muslims too but they're fighters. XD

That's most especially true with nearly every family i know having connection to the local military one way or another. A lot of people's ambitions here , especially those from the lower income classes have their ambitions influenced by the reality of war, they too want to contribute to the effort of fighting in the insurgency.

Oh, have i mentioned that iglesia ni Cristo is busy prolesitizing in the airforce? Yes, last summer when i was in a 40 day training, some INC priest was gathering us all for 40 minutes of preaching from the "true church". In the end of the training, a fourth of my batch was already converted.

I refused to go along with the band wagon obviously...

We'll in my eyes, the INC lacks historical authenticity. Whereas the Catholic Church was the original church established by Christ in 33 A.D. when he made Peter the leader of the Apostles, of which Peter became the first Pope, then he died in Rome and ordained a Roman citizen as his successor. That's why all Popes are Bishops of Rome. That's why the Roman Catholic Church is the true, original, holy, catholic and apostolic church.

Whereas the INC is merely an invention of Manalo and not from the original apostles.

Also, I'm from Iloilo by the way and I have observed that Both of our cities fell to new rivals. In the past, Iloilo City used to be the chief city in the Visayas and in the past, Zamboanga city used to be the chief city in Mindanao (There was even a Republic of Zamboanga once) however, both of our cities fell in importance to Davao in Mindanao and Cebu in the Visayas.

I can't wait until we have our revenge against "them" lol.

[Hastiaka]

*cough*I dont want to start another debate now but. Also, i won't respond to harsh comments*cough*

Thank you, members of the Catholic COMMISSION ON ECUMENICAL AFFAIRS for being present in the Peaceful Assembly of the INC, and to our Muslim brethren for also being one with us calling for true Justice.