Philippines Discussion Thread

[Halung]

yo ima be in manila + buttfuck nowhere, Samar in a couple months, what's a good way to have a good time?

Try to look for authentic experiences. Have a local guide to help you about.

Try one of Carlos Celdran's tours.

Visit the Manila-American Memorial.

http://www.imagesphilippines.com/images ... 172211.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51305875.jpg

Walk by Rizal Park

http://rizalpark.nationalparks.ph/image ... arkmap.jpg

Traverse Dewey Boulevard

http://www.clubbnb.com/blog/1177/lazy-a ... -boulevard

Or you can play golf in the Manila Golf club which offers spectacular views with the gaming experience.



http://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/list ... 8839_1.jpg
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7176/681 ... 792ae7.jpg

[Halung]

Also, didn't you say before, that you were a proud son of a marine? We'll I did some search and it turns out that we had a damn proud martial history.

Let's just start by looking at the map. Did you know, that being the lone Catholic nation is an ocean of non-catholics, attests best to our bravery?

If you look at the map...

We are surrounded and our only reinforcements came from a Mexico or Peru which is at the other side of the planet...

http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj88 ... 89b281.png

The Christianization of the Philippines was a brave and impossible feat, that, considering the location, were all blades are aimed at the place...

Was an event more courageous than the Crusades or Reconquista. The Crusader states and Spain had Christian neighbors to help them in their wars... we on the other hand, had no Christian neighbor at all...

This gets me to a question I wanna ask to you all:

If given a chance to make a POD (point of divergence) from our historical timeline, what would it be, why, and what will you do to assert it for what you see as a better "Philippines"? With the following points:
- RL Historical event:
- Simple event summary:
- Place of event:
- RTL Ending:
- Your own ending and next line of events you want:

My Point of divergence
- Castillan Wars
- A battle of two empires for the control of Luzon
- Spain versus Brunei
- Battleground: Luzon
- RTL Ending: Status quo ante bellum, draw
- ATL Ending: similar to Macau, where Luzon was allowed to be occupied and administered by Spain, but the territory belongs Brunei. (Tl:dr Luzon is governed by Spain, but a Bruneian imperial territory). Brunei names Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao as "Pilipinas" or "Island (Nusa ~ Nasa) of the Chosen (Pili) People (Lipi)", while Spain spoke it as "Filipinas", mistaken to be from Philip II's name. After Castillan Wars, many Bruneian invasions continued for centuries until 1898 (not 1896) revolution. Republic proclaimed under Bonifacio in 1900. Americans tried and failed to invade Phils in 1901. Few British teachers taught Fils to speak English after leaving China during the Boxer Rebellion, and Anglicized "Pilipinas" to "Philippines" from Spanish "Filipinas". Government stabilized as a dictatorial federal republic, the First Philippine Republic. Second Republic in 1930s and joined Japan Axis in WW2 voluntarily, allowing multi-party elections since Katipunan holds all seats, Third Republic after WW2. Fourth Republic after Marcos died. Fifth Republic after shifting from presidential to federal parliamentary republic and rewriting Constitution.

We'll as a Visayan and considering the heritage that I am a pure bred son of Srivijaya before that nation collapsed by being absorbed into the South Indian Chola dynasty and then finally killed off by Muslims...

And that we were the primary supporters in the conquest of Islamic Fi-Amanillah, or Manila, puppetstate of the Sulatanate of Brunei.

I would not change anything in our history and just let the Spanish (And their Mexican, Columbian and Peruvian auxiliaries) continue on helping us in our revenge spree against the sultanates in SEA, who kicked us out of SEA during the Islamification of Asia.

The Spanish kicked out the Muslims in Europe and we could've kicked out the Muslims in Malacca and reclaimed our homeland, Srivijaya.

So, why just settle to have Luzon be the battlefield between Brunei and the Mexico-based Viceroyalty of New Spain? We should take the fight to the very shores of Malacca, India and even unto Mecca itself.

[Halung]

We had a bone to pick with those Muslims (Bruneians and Malaysians) because they enslaved our fellow people who stayed behind and didn't follow their pure-bred kings (Datus) into new colonies.


From a page taken from the Confederation of Madya-as.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confede ... f_Madja-as


According to the Boxer Codex. The remnant Visayans who did not follow their Kings (Datus, or Co-equal paramount rulers in Malayo-Polynesian) to the re-established Kedatuan of Panay (After they severed themselves from the unjust ruler of Rajah Makatunao) and had remained content with the rule of Rajah Makatunao, bore witness to the supplanting of the rule under a Rajah with the rule of a Sultan.

“… It begins three hundred years (ago), a little more or less, when from the parts and provinces of the Malaya language which lie toward Meca (came) a lord of a city called Cauin. The name of this one was Sultan Yuso (Arabic Yusof), who according to what they say was king of that said city of Cauin, and he and his subjects departed from his kingdom and land bringing with him a great quantity of people in many ships, discovering many lands, and calling himself always king and lord of all the people he brought and calling them slaves. Following his voyage he arrived at the island of Borney on which they had some battles with the native Uisayas (Bisayas) so that they occupied them [the lands]; and having succeeded them (the Uisayas) well, he was settled some days in which he took a tongue of land and the fruits of it and found camphor, which is now to exist in other parts except this kingdom.

“… At the end of some days, he made port in the land of China: and asking permission in order to go ashore, he disembarked and went to see the king of China, whom he recognised as a superior king; and the said king of China conferred in him the title of king and gave him the insignia and royal (coat of) arms which nowadays the said king of Borney has; And seeing that the said Sultan Yuso was a bachelor, he married him to a Chinese woman. Accordingly it appears that the reason he persevered in the said kingdom of (Borney) was that she was a relative of the king of China. The said Chinese woman was lord of a city which was called Namtay in the kingdom of China, and the said Sultan Yuso made this marriage. He bade (farewell) to the king of China; and bringing his wife and the people with him, he returned to Borney, leaving in the said city of Namtay (one) who had charge of the rent as and property of his wife; and so (it is) nowadays although the natives of Namtay do not come with anything (for) the kings of Borney, not because the lords of the said city of Namtay have quit holding them (the rents), and they say the current rents are being held guarded for when some king of Borney might go there for it, the legacy.

“The said Sultan Yuso went to Borney. He settled there with his said slaves or vassals that he brought, and he put the native Uisayas (into) subjection, making them pay tribute. He had sons with the said (Chinese) wife. He died very old: and when he died, he left a tablet of gold. According to what they say it would be a fathom square and thin, on which he left mandates and they inscribed and wrote the kings of descended from him; and so they inscribed this said tablet which the same king kept and by his hand he inscribed his name. This tablet was lost when Doctor Fransisco de Sande, the governor who went from (these) Philippine islands, sacked Borney. It is understood that the old king, father of this one in whose possession it was, buried it or threw into the sea; and since the said king died at that time, he left no clarity (clear information) about what he did with the tablet.”

http://bruneiresources.blogspot.com/201 ... n.html?m=1

They enslaved the Visayans and destroyed Srivijaya. Replacing Tantrism with Islam.
Although the descendants of the Visayans in the Philippines are different than the Srivijayans in the west, (Mainly because we became a royal-tribe since the founder-effect that happened in the Visayas, wherein only the King's or Datu's immediate family plus some courtiers and soldiers) had settled upon the Visayas and multiplied. Vis-à-vis our more plebian co-fellows in old Srivijaya who did not pass through the royal founder-effect...

We still have a fundamental duty to liberate those collaborators who bowed to their slavers and stayed behind, instead of joining us to be, redeemed by the blood of the king.

We have to return and free them from their sin.

That is ultimately the real meaning behind the San-dugo pact between the Latin/Latinos and the Visayans.

The Latin/Latinos who came here and migrated here from the richer Vice royalties of Peru and Mexico to defend a war-torn land targeted by everybody yet managed to make the place Christian despite all opposition sanctified, their descendants with valor, likewise, the few Visayans who left Srivijaya which were enslaved by Rajahs and Sultans and followed their original Kings, the Datus, had in the founder effect, caused them to be elevated into the status of being a royal-tribe as reward for their loyalty.

Loyalty and Valor met on the fateful day of the first blood compact.

[Kubra]

yo ima be in manila + buttfuck nowhere, Samar in a couple months, what's a good way to have a good time?

Try to look for authentic experiences. Have a local guide to help you about.

Try one of Carlos Celdran's tours.

Visit the Manila-American Memorial.

http://www.imagesphilippines.com/images ... 172211.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51305875.jpg

Walk by Rizal Park

http://rizalpark.nationalparks.ph/image ... arkmap.jpg

Traverse Dewey Boulevard

http://www.clubbnb.com/blog/1177/lazy-a ... -boulevard

Or you can play golf in the Manila Golf club which offers spectacular views with the gaming experience.



http://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/list ... 8839_1.jpg
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7176/681 ... 792ae7.jpg

I've been to roxas and rizal, I've more or less exhausted the main tourist venues.
What are some great cafes or restaurants or whatever to kill time at?

[Halung]

Try to look for authentic experiences. Have a local guide to help you about.

Try one of Carlos Celdran's tours.

Visit the Manila-American Memorial.

http://www.imagesphilippines.com/images ... 172211.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51305875.jpg

Walk by Rizal Park

http://rizalpark.nationalparks.ph/image ... arkmap.jpg

Traverse Dewey Boulevard

http://www.clubbnb.com/blog/1177/lazy-a ... -boulevard

Or you can play golf in the Manila Golf club which offers spectacular views with the gaming experience.



http://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/list ... 8839_1.jpg
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7176/681 ... 792ae7.jpg

I've been to roxas and rizal, I've more or less exhausted the main tourist venues.
What are some great cafes or restaurants or whatever to kill time at?

Unfortunately, I don't live in Manila, I live in Iloilo and I don't know much of that city, although I visit it often.

Have you tried visiting the newly re-discovered underground tunnels under Bonifacio Global city?

http://www.megaworldatthefort.com/blog/ ... obal-city/

We could even expand upon that and use it as a tourist attraction.

Likewise, you should visit the Basilica of Saint Martin of Tours in Batangas and learn how to play tricks with the Balisong (Butterfly knife) [Batanga's best invention].

Also while in Leyte, Samar if possible, visit the under-water wrecks of Battle of Leyte Gulf(The world's largest Naval battle) I'm sure you will have a swell time trying to explore the wrecks of the Yamato and Mushashi, the largest battle ships ever constructed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I've been to roxas and rizal, I've more or less exhausted the main tourist venues.
What are some great cafes or restaurants or whatever to kill time at?

Unfortunately, I don't live in Manila, I live in Iloilo and I don't know much of that city, although I visit it often.

Have you tried visiting the newly re-discovered underground tunnels under Bonifacio Global city?

http://www.megaworldatthefort.com/blog/ ... obal-city/

We could even expand upon that and use it as a tourist attraction.

Likewise, you should visit the Basilica of Saint Martin of Tours in Batangas and learn how to play tricks with the Balisong (Butterfly knife) [Batanga's best invention].

Also while in Leyte, Samar if possible, visit the under-water wrecks of Battle of Leyte Gulf(The world's largest Naval battle) I'm sure you will have a swell time trying to explore the wrecks of the Yamato and Mushashi, the largest battle ships ever constructed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

I wish the Pope stayed here FOREVER!!!

[Halung]

Unfortunately, I don't live in Manila, I live in Iloilo and I don't know much of that city, although I visit it often.

Have you tried visiting the newly re-discovered underground tunnels under Bonifacio Global city?

http://www.megaworldatthefort.com/blog/ ... obal-city/

We could even expand upon that and use it as a tourist attraction.

Likewise, you should visit the Basilica of Saint Martin of Tours in Batangas and learn how to play tricks with the Balisong (Butterfly knife) [Batanga's best invention].

Also while in Leyte, Samar if possible, visit the under-water wrecks of Battle of Leyte Gulf(The ōworld's largest Naval battle) I'm sure you will have a swell time trying to explore the wrecks of the Yamato and Mushashi, the largest battle ships ever constructed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

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I wish the Pope stayed here FOREVER!!!

Lol the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. Why should the Bishop of Rome go to live in the Philippines?

Those peeps shouldn't be moved out though. That's silly.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I wish the Pope stayed here FOREVER!!!

Lol the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. Why should the Bishop of Rome go to live in the Philippines?

Those peeps shouldn't be moved out though. That's silly.

I was just stating that the poor should be sent to a resort so that we won't have to worry about them.

[Mundiferrum]

Lol the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. Why should the Bishop of Rome go to live in the Philippines?

Those peeps shouldn't be moved out though. That's silly.

I was just stating that the poor should be sent to a resort so that we won't have to worry about them.

That's what the government does to them with their housing projects. They end up going back to the slums anyway, because what's a man without a job of his own?

[Stormwrath]

I was just stating that the poor should be sent to a resort so that we won't have to worry about them.

That's what the government does to them with their housing projects. They end up going back to the slums anyway, because what's a man without a job of his own?

Shouldn't the government find them jobs? After all, they have already moved them to the housing projects; now all they have to do is to look for the jobs that the person wants to take.

[Quirina]

About the Islamic hate, hate the people using Islam as a propaganda tool. Muslims, like Christians and Jews, are not teaching killing people, but in their scriptures they prohibit it, as it is a "sin". Let's not delve into this, but it's my point of view. Remember from whom Islam, Christianity, and Judaism came from: Abraham.

About the Islamic conquest in Asia, good thing those fellas never stepped Japan. Japanese battleships Musashi and Yamato now rest in peace for serving the Teikoku. I consider it a pride that the two biggest ships in Second World War lies within our waters, as it is a reminding of the decolonization efforts Japan did for us, yet their military abused such privilege, yeah thanks Tojo (sarcastic).

Another concern is the "show of force" of the Philippine government during the Papal visit. The government showed everything of their best, yet can't even give a single inch of it to the people itself. I bet the pope noticed how messy the country in an urban scale. Sadly, the government wanted the Pope to "see what they wanted them for him to see" and redirect his Holiness' eyes to some better places. Visiting Tacloban is one of his best motives.

Saludong - which means, "In Luzon". Try saying "Sa Luzon" many times, and you get me. I got a hard time getting what "S(a/e)lu(d/r)(o/u)ng" means... Hahaha

[Stormwrath]

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

[Quirina]

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

[Halung]

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

Why target Catholic schools? In my opinion, Catholicism is our shining crown and testament to our bravery.

Let me repost what I said to Asigna before...

Also, didn't you say before, that you were a proud son of a marine? We'll I did some search and it turns out that we had a damn proud martial history.

Let's just start by looking at the map. Did you know, that being the lone Catholic nation in an ocean of non-catholics, attests best to our bravery?

If you look at the map...

We are surrounded and our only reinforcements came from a Mexico or Peru which is at the other side of the planet...



http://s270.photobucket.com/user/saludo ... 1.png.html

The Christianization of the Philippines was a brave and impossible feat, considering the location, in which all blades are aimed at the place...

It was an evangelization...

Was an event more courageous than the Crusades or Reconquista. The Crusader states and Spain had Christian neighbors to help them in their wars... we on the other hand, had no Christian neighbor at all..

[Quirina]

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

Why target Catholic schools? In my opinion, Catholicism is our shining crown and testament to our bravery.

Let me repost what I said to Asigna before...

Also, didn't you say before, that you were a proud son of a marine? We'll I did some search and it turns out that we had a damn proud martial history.

Let's just start by looking at the map. Did you know, that being the lone Catholic nation in an ocean of non-catholics, attests best to our bravery?

If you look at the map...

We are surrounded and our only reinforcements came from a Mexico or Peru which is at the other side of the planet...



http://s270.photobucket.com/user/saludo ... 1.png.html

The Christianization of the Philippines was a brave and impossible feat, considering the location, in which all blades are aimed at the place...

It was an evangelization...

Was an event more courageous than the Crusades or Reconquista. The Crusader states and Spain had Christian neighbors to help them in their wars... we on the other hand, had no Christian neighbor at all..

True, but didn't you realized some of our Catholics here are more biased to what the West (mainly America) says? Going back to history, Spain sold us out to America while we have our own government, which was considered rebel by America. And for only about 2-3 years, Americans killed way more than the Spanish for the last 300 years they were here.

Catholic schools were trying to please themselves with wrong information to their students to suffice the need of saying twisted information to them for no reason. When was the last time you ever saw a Catholic teacher tell his class that our culture is naturally not Catholic (when it is not, because we are firsthand Muslims/Tantrists, converted to Christian because Spaniards think we are pagans/animists) and even though a historian, he seemed to lean to some parts of history he likes and twist others?

[Stormwrath]

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

While Communism isn't right for our country, a little bit of Socialism wouldn't be so bad. However, I guess it wouldn't work either because the Senators and some Representatives would be against that, probably because of how much money they get from the taxes instead of using it to benefit the rest of the country as a whole. Plus, the idea that socialism is bad is a biased view leaning to America. I mean, Europe, especially Scandinavia, has got it good with some socialism!

[Quirina]

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

While Communism isn't right for our country, a little bit of Socialism wouldn't be so bad. However, I guess it wouldn't work either because the Senators and some Representatives would be against that, probably because of how much money they get from the taxes instead of using it to benefit the rest of the country as a whole. Plus, the idea that socialism is bad is a biased view leaning to America. I mean, Europe, especially Scandinavia, has got it good with some socialism!

Oh, sorry. I was referring to the Democratic Socialists that were the "communists" I'm talking about. It's like saying "meh, it's alright for some demsocs to continue their bad ways in our government".

[Stormwrath]

While Communism isn't right for our country, a little bit of Socialism wouldn't be so bad. However, I guess it wouldn't work either because the Senators and some Representatives would be against that, probably because of how much money they get from the taxes instead of using it to benefit the rest of the country as a whole. Plus, the idea that socialism is bad is a biased view leaning to America. I mean, Europe, especially Scandinavia, has got it good with some socialism!

Oh, sorry. I was referring to the Democratic Socialists that were the "communists" I'm talking about. It's like saying "meh, it's alright for some demsocs to continue their bad ways in our government".

Social Democrats are hardly commies.

[Quirina]

Oh, sorry. I was referring to the Democratic Socialists that were the "communists" I'm talking about. It's like saying "meh, it's alright for some demsocs to continue their bad ways in our government".

Social Democrats are hardly commies.

Nope, but these democratic socialists style themselves as Leninists, Marxists, or even worse, Communists, but they are not.

[Mundiferrum]

That's what the government does to them with their housing projects. They end up going back to the slums anyway, because what's a man without a job of his own?

Shouldn't the government find them jobs? After all, they have already moved them to the housing projects; now all they have to do is to look for the jobs that the person wants to take.

Literally what I said.
--but yeah, no, the government should, but they usually don't. It's sad.

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

They apologized to the country, not to all of the specific individuals they harmed: that's a big difference. For one, a lot of their comfort women (and this actually applies to other countries too, like South Korea and China), they still haven't paid reparations to, or even just said, "Oh, we messed up with that, big fat SORRY". I mean, apologizing with actions* is all well and good, but a friendship plaque in EDSA isn't gonna give a sense of closure to a woman from the provinces that their soldiers, well, raped.

But anyway, you keep attacking Catholic and "socialist" universities (obviously, you're hitting at UP), which, for the most part, happen to be the only universities really recognized by the international community in terms of quality education. That....speaks volumes.*

*-I just realized, you'd probably just say that it's coz' the International Community is all dominated by Westerners and whatever. So to that point, please don't reply, because that'll inevitably lead to all my arguments falling on deaf (or maybe -----) ears.

Also, someone said something about communism?
More to the point,

[Quirina]

Shouldn't the government find them jobs? After all, they have already moved them to the housing projects; now all they have to do is to look for the jobs that the person wants to take.

Literally what I said.
--but yeah, no, the government should, but they usually don't. It's sad.

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

And who said Philippines never left communism? It did, during the Diliman Commune, and Martial Law era, and even until now. Fuck government-sponsored Communism!

They apologized to the country, not to all of the specific individuals they harmed: that's a big difference. For one, a lot of their comfort women (and this actually applies to other countries too, like South Korea and China), they still haven't paid reparations to, or even just said, "Oh, we messed up with that, big fat SORRY". I mean, apologizing with actions* is all well and good, but a friendship plaque in EDSA isn't gonna give a sense of closure to a woman from the provinces that their soldiers, well, raped.

But anyway, you keep attacking Catholic and "socialist" universities (obviously, you're hitting at UP), which, for the most part, happen to be the only universities really recognized by the international community in terms of quality education. That....speaks volumes.*

*-I just realized, you'd probably just say that it's coz' the International Community is all dominated by Westerners and whatever. So to that point, please don't reply, because that'll inevitably lead to all my arguments falling on deaf (or maybe -----) ears.

Also, someone said something about communism?
More to the point,

There's a big difference between "opposing an individual's action" and "opposing an individual".

So, what's your point?

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Ningas kugon an attitude of Filipinos that isn't meant to last, our bad. I apologize in behalf of rational Filipinos.

In other news, RIP to the members of PNP-SAF killed in their line of duty. I do hope justice is served.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Japan did apologized, not by mere words but by actions. I even saw Japan-Philippines friendship plaques in bridges and highways in EDSA, and a monument in Quezon Memorial Circle (IIRC), and it still stands and verily used, only dirty and less cleaned. Historians from Catholic and "socialist" universities are to blame in giving us false and biased information, thus breeding more ignorance, even in the most scholarly level.

What did we (Catholics) do when it comes to World War 2 history?

[Mundiferrum]

There's a big difference between "opposing an individual's action" and "opposing an individual".

So, what's your point?

Sorry, what? That statement's pretty far off from what either of us said.

And my points were what I said. I didn't have any specific p-o-v in my mind: I just wanted to check what you were saying, and for the point on communism, to prod you into revealing what you think communism is (because I'm pretty sure it's not the right meaning for communism you're talking about there).

Japan did start off the decolonization efforts, by pulling off its version of imperialism and colonizing the Philippines. Their contribution would've been much more respected by us Filipinos, had the Japs decided not to make our lives miserable during the Second World War. Their leaders still haven't apologized for that.

As for the papal visit, that was a good point. If there is such peace and order during the pope's visit, and everything ran smoothly during his visit, why isn't the same peace and order applied to everyday?

Ningas kugon an attitude of Filipinos that isn't meant to last, our bad. I apologize in behalf of rational Filipinos.

In other news, RIP to the members of PNP-SAF killed in their line of duty. I do hope justice is served.

I don't think it's Ningas Cogon, though, since we only really had plans to do it for the papal visit anyway--a once in a season thing, you know, and not an actual permanent change in the state of things. And yes, may they rest in peace.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

That's what the government does to them with their housing projects. They end up going back to the slums anyway, because what's a man without a job of his own?

Shouldn't the government find them jobs? After all, they have already moved them to the housing projects; now all they have to do is to look for the jobs that the person wants to take.

It should be the other way around.