Ukrainian Crisis

[72o]

The Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol has voted to stop paying taxes to Kiev, as it is seeking independence.

Also:

"Acting President Oleksander Turchinov stated that Ukraine was prepared to speak with Russia. Turchinov said that the aim would be to create relations on “new, equal and good-neighborly footing, that recognizes and takes into account Ukraine's European choice.” He added that another priority would be to "return to the path of European integration", while reminding the nation that the economy – which remains at risk of default – still had to be stabilized."

Lol Turchinov, you're such a clown.

Yes? What exactly did you expect him to say?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Maidan PR citing Espreso:

Donetsk governor and Akhmetov renounce separatism

After discussions with businessman Rinat Akhmetov, the governor of the Donetsk region Andriy Shyshatskyy announced his support for the "integrity and independence" of Ukraine. His statement was posted on the official site of the Donetsk Regional State Administration, reports Espreso.TV.

"My dear countrymen! We are all concerned about the future of our country, our families and our children. We are worried," he stated. "The government and law enforcement agencies in the Donbas are operating normally. We are maintaining law and order. Today I spoke with respected people of Donbas: the president of the football club "Shakhtar" Rinat Akhmetov, Heroes of Ukraine Skudar (local industrialist) and Zvyahilsky (former prime minister), with the mayor of Donetsk Lukyanchenko. All of them see our future, yours and mine, in a single, undivided and independent Ukraine. In a strong Ukraine."
"We will not fail," Shyshatskyy concluded.

[Koznia]

Все разговоры, что Россия вызывает все плохие вещи в Украине совершенно несправедливо, так как мы едва торговать с ними после распада Советского Союза и все такое.Украина ввинчивается себя, и твой необходимость для человека и взять на себя вину.

[Volnotova]

Maidan PR citing Espreso:

Donetsk governor and Akhmetov renounce separatism

After discussions with businessman Rinat Akhmetov, the governor of the Donetsk region Andriy Shyshatskyy announced his support for the "integrity and independence" of Ukraine. His statement was posted on the official site of the Donetsk Regional State Administration, reports Espreso.TV.

"My dear countrymen! We are all concerned about the future of our country, our families and our children. We are worried," he stated. "The government and law enforcement agencies in the Donbas are operating normally. We are maintaining law and order. Today I spoke with respected people of Donbas: the president of the football club "Shakhtar" Rinat Akhmetov, Heroes of Ukraine Skudar (local industrialist) and Zvyahilsky (former prime minister), with the mayor of Donetsk Lukyanchenko. All of them see our future, yours and mine, in a single, undivided and independent Ukraine. In a strong Ukraine."
"We will not fail," Shyshatskyy concluded.

Crimea secedes, kiev won't have that and intervenes. Russia intervenes on behalf of Crimea...

And everything goes downhill from that point onwards.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Crimea secedes, kiev won't have that and intervenes. Russia intervenes on behalf of Crimea...

And everything goes downhill from that point onwards.

Crimean War 2: Electric Boogaloo?

[Limborg]

Maidan PR citing Espreso:

Crimea secedes, kiev won't have that and intervenes. Russia intervenes on behalf of Crimea...

And everything goes downhill from that point onwards.

Problem is that those on Maidan think that they have the support of all of Ukraine, wich clearly isn't the case..

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

The Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol has voted to stop paying taxes to Kiev, as it is seeking independence.

Also:

"Acting President Oleksander Turchinov stated that Ukraine was prepared to speak with Russia. Turchinov said that the aim would be to create relations on “new, equal and good-neighborly footing, that recognizes and takes into account Ukraine's European choice.” He added that another priority would be to "return to the path of European integration", while reminding the nation that the economy – which remains at risk of default – still had to be stabilized."

Lol Turchinov, you're such a clown.

God bless the heroes of Crimea! At least someone recognizes the coup that is undertaken.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol has voted to stop paying taxes to Kiev, as it is seeking independence.

Also:

"Acting President Oleksander Turchinov stated that Ukraine was prepared to speak with Russia. Turchinov said that the aim would be to create relations on “new, equal and good-neighborly footing, that recognizes and takes into account Ukraine's European choice.” He added that another priority would be to "return to the path of European integration", while reminding the nation that the economy – which remains at risk of default – still had to be stabilized."

Lol Turchinov, you're such a clown.

God bless the heroes of Crimea! At least someone recognizes the coup that is undertaken.

Undoubtedly the work of Russian SVR operatives and Communists. Not that Russia Today would say that since they're part of the media conspiracy.

[European Socialist Republic]

The Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol has voted to stop paying taxes to Kiev, as it is seeking independence.

Also:

"Acting President Oleksander Turchinov stated that Ukraine was prepared to speak with Russia. Turchinov said that the aim would be to create relations on “new, equal and good-neighborly footing, that recognizes and takes into account Ukraine's European choice.” He added that another priority would be to "return to the path of European integration", while reminding the nation that the economy – which remains at risk of default – still had to be stabilized."

Lol Turchinov, you're such a clown.

God bless the heroes of Crimea! At least someone recognizes the coup that is undertaken.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

God bless the heroes of Crimea! At least someone recognizes the coup that is undertaken.

Undoubtedly the work of Russian SVR operatives and Communists. Not that Russia Today would say that since they're part of the media conspiracy.

RT is also reporting that the Russian ambassador to Kiev has been recalled. Good. No recognition for putschists.

[Yorkopolis]

Undoubtedly the work of Russian SVR operatives and Communists. Not that Russia Today would say that since they're part of the media conspiracy.

RT is also reporting that the Russian ambassador to Kiev has been recalled. Good. No recognition for putschists.

Can you provide a reason as to why a parliament democratically impeaching an incompetent buffoon of a president who also happens to be Yanukovych is a coup?

[Susria]

Все разговоры, что Россия вызывает все плохие вещи в Украине совершенно несправедливо, так как мы едва торговать с ними после распада Советского Союза и все такое.Украина ввинчивается себя, и твой необходимость для человека и взять на себя вину.

Ничего себе, успокоиться. Украина очень красивая страна с большим количеством культуры и сходства в том, что из России. Вы должны понимать, что русские и украинцы практически не отличаются, и ни должны ненавидеть другого. Россия и Украина фактически торговать совсем немного, и занимают сильные экономические и политические отношения и сегодня. Советский Союз не имеет ничего общего с ней. Перестаньте быть фанатичным и возлюби ближнего твоего.

For those that do not speak Russian:

He said "All this talk of Russia doing bad things to Ukraine is very unfair, since we Russians hardly trade with them in any way after the collapse of the Soviet Union and all that stuff. Ukraine screwed itself over for not having civil rights and they are completely to blame."

I responded with "Wow, calm down. Ukraine is a beautiful country with a lot of culture and has a lot of similarities with Russia. You need to understand that Russian and Ukrainians are virtually identical, and neither should hate another. Russia and Ukraine actually trade quite a bit and have strong economic and political relations today. The Soviet Union has nothing to do with it. Stop being bigoted and love your neighbor."

[Occupied Deutschland]

Undoubtedly the work of Russian SVR operatives and Communists. Not that Russia Today would say that since they're part of the media conspiracy.

RT is also reporting that the Russian ambassador to Kiev has been recalled. Good. No recognition for putschists.

Merely the desperate struggling of those not great-souled against their rightful betters who obtained power.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

RT is also reporting that the Russian ambassador to Kiev has been recalled. Good. No recognition for putschists.

Can you provide a reason as to why a parliament democratically impeaching an incompetent buffoon of a president who also happens to be Yanukovych is a coup?

Parliament was stormed by radicals. For a week they attacked police whenever they were losing momentum.
People forget that those shooting deaths of protesters were because they launched massive attacks on police lines and cops had no chioce but to fight back in Self Defense.

Only a week ago, there was compromise. Amnesty and leaving of public buildings. So what did the opposition do?
The protestors attacked. 25 dead.

After that a truce was declared. Police stopped their advance on the heavily militarized maidan. Did the opposition respect it?
No, The protestors attacked. 70 dead.

Then a treaty was drawn up. What did the protestors do? They tore it up and and stormed parliament.

You can't possibly see this as anything other then an illegal power grab.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm worried Ukraine might end up like Germany after 1945. The east going to Russia and the west going to the EU. what are your thoughts about it?

This implies, for some reason, that a partition agreement will occur.

[Susria]

I'm worried Ukraine might end up like Germany after 1945. The east going to Russia and the west going to the EU. what are your thoughts about it?

This implies, for some reason, that a partition agreement will occur.

Honestly, it seems like Ukraine will either go through this revolution and form a more centralized government attempting to be like Russia as much as possible just more extreme forming a country mirroring Belarus. Either that or it will go through a successful revolution and hopefully turn into a modern European nation, independent. But I truly hope they do not join the EU.

[Lyttenburgh]

2 Koznia

Все разговоры, что Россия вызывает все плохие вещи в Украине совершенно несправедливо, так как мы едва торговать с ними после распада Советского Союза и все такое.Украина ввинчивается себя, и твой необходимость для человека и взять на себя вину.

and 2 Susria

Ничего себе, успокоиться. Украина очень красивая страна с большим количеством культуры и сходства в том, что из России. Вы должны понимать, что русские и украинцы практически не отличаются, и ни должны ненавидеть другого. Россия и Украина фактически торговать совсем немного, и занимают сильные экономические и политические отношения и сегодня. Советский Союз не имеет ничего общего с ней. Перестаньте быть фанатичным и возлюби ближнего твоего.

Если это, как вы оба считает, образчик правильного русского языка, то могу вам лишь порекомендовать убиться ап стену 1111111одинодин1111упячка! Для пиндосов и прочих рукопожатных общечеловеков с Запада может и прокатит, но перед русскоговорящей уж публикой не лепите-то горбатого, а? Или вы с нiзалэжного Львiва, родины выдающегося писателя Захера-Мазоха? Ну, тогда такой "продвинутый" уровень объясняем. А если нет - извольте, господа обтекать-с.

[European Socialist Republic]

This implies, for some reason, that a partition agreement will occur.

Honestly, it seems like Ukraine will either go through this revolution and form a more centralized government attempting to be like Russia as much as possible just more extreme forming a country mirroring Belarus. Either that or it will go through a successful revolution and hopefully turn into a modern European nation, independent. But I truly hope they do not join the EU.

They wouldn't be able to, since they don't meet the Copenhagen criteria.

[Imperializt Russia]

This implies, for some reason, that a partition agreement will occur.

Honestly, it seems like Ukraine will either go through this revolution and form a more centralized government attempting to be like Russia as much as possible just more extreme forming a country mirroring Belarus. Either that or it will go through a successful revolution and hopefully turn into a modern European nation, independent. But I truly hope they do not join the EU.

Why would Ukraine imitate Russia post revolution, when the whole revolution is about distancing themselves from Russia?

[European Socialist Republic]

Honestly, it seems like Ukraine will either go through this revolution and form a more centralized government attempting to be like Russia as much as possible just more extreme forming a country mirroring Belarus. Either that or it will go through a successful revolution and hopefully turn into a modern European nation, independent. But I truly hope they do not join the EU.

Why would Ukraine imitate Russia post revolution, when the whole revolution is about distancing themselves from Russia?

Eh, wouldn't be the first time this happened after a revolution.

[Susria]

2 Koznia

Все разговоры, что Россия вызывает все плохие вещи в Украине совершенно несправедливо, так как мы едва торговать с ними после распада Советского Союза и все такое.Украина ввинчивается себя, и твой необходимость для человека и взять на себя вину.

and 2 Susria

Ничего себе, успокоиться. Украина очень красивая страна с большим количеством культуры и сходства в том, что из России. Вы должны понимать, что русские и украинцы практически не отличаются, и ни должны ненавидеть другого. Россия и Украина фактически торговать совсем немного, и занимают сильные экономические и политические отношения и сегодня. Советский Союз не имеет ничего общего с ней. Перестаньте быть фанатичным и возлюби ближнего твоего.

Если это, как вы оба считает, образчик правильного русского языка, то могу вам лишь порекомендовать убиться ап стену 1111111одинодин1111упячка! Для пиндосов и прочих рукопожатных общечеловеков с Запада может и прокатит, но перед русскоговорящей уж публикой не лепите-то горбатого, а? Или вы с нiзалэжного Львiва, родины выдающегося писателя Захера-Мазоха? Ну, тогда такой "продвинутый" уровень объясняем. А если нет - извольте, господа обтекать-с.

Что??? То, что вы набрали не имеет никакого смысла.

[Magna Libero]

Are the protestors and police, who used too much violence(if it was the fault of the police) in these protests ever going to be charged for murder/causing death or anything similar for what they have done? Or will the horrors go unpunished? The police were just doing their jobs and it also seems like both sides used lethal force in an excessive amount.

[Susria]

Honestly, it seems like Ukraine will either go through this revolution and form a more centralized government attempting to be like Russia as much as possible just more extreme forming a country mirroring Belarus. Either that or it will go through a successful revolution and hopefully turn into a modern European nation, independent. But I truly hope they do not join the EU.

Why would Ukraine imitate Russia post revolution, when the whole revolution is about distancing themselves from Russia?

I mean if the revolution fails and the current government wins and represses the masses then it will no doubt take the opportunity to further corrupt itself and rely on Russia.

[Rabopari]

Ukraine is going to regret joining the EU. And i bet in 10 to 20 years time it will come crying back to russia.

[Susria]

Ukraine is going to regret joining the EU. And i bet in 10 to 20 years time it will come crying back to russia.

I think so as well, though I hope it can just meet somewhere in the middle where it recognizes its cultural similarities to Russia and its political differences.