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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:12 am

Christian Union wrote:
Cameroi wrote:unless venezuela is your own country, we should be even more alarmed when it happens in our own. some of which has and is happening in the u.s. under the laws that facilitate foreclosures.


I agree. It doesn't make sense how quick some people are to criticize other nations when their own is so twisted and corrupt, like our lovely USA. I do like living here, but you would have to be very young and sheltered or very distracted and misinformed to not realize how much worse it is here. I can't help but feel pleased at the fact that a government in modern times would actually break international norm to promote their peoples well-being, even if their reasons are iffy.


This thread is about Venezuela, that's why we are talking about it.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:18 am

Christian Union wrote:I agree. It doesn't make sense how quick some people are to criticize other nations when their own is so twisted and corrupt, like our lovely USA. I do like living here, but you would have to be very young and sheltered or very distracted and misinformed to not realize how much worse it is here.


I hardly believe the US will get to Venezuela's level anytime soon. You're the misinformed one.

Christian Union wrote:I can't help but feel pleased at the fact that a government in modern times would actually break international norm to promote their peoples well-being, even if their reasons are iffy.


Except they didn't do it for the people. They did it because inflation is skyrocketing and since Maduro is an incompetent bastard, that's the only thing he could do. They also did to secure the PSUV some cities in the municipal elections.
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Postby Christian Union » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:51 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
Christian Union wrote:I agree. It doesn't make sense how quick some people are to criticize other nations when their own is so twisted and corrupt, like our lovely USA. I do like living here, but you would have to be very young and sheltered or very distracted and misinformed to not realize how much worse it is here.


I hardly believe the US will get to Venezuela's level anytime soon. You're the misinformed one.

Christian Union wrote:I can't help but feel pleased at the fact that a government in modern times would actually break international norm to promote their peoples well-being, even if their reasons are iffy.


Except they didn't do it for the people. They did it because inflation is skyrocketing and since Maduro is an incompetent bastard, that's the only thing he could do. They also did to secure the PSUV some cities in the municipal elections.


I've lived in enough parts of the country to know our nation is more corrupt than many would like to believe. Not looking to debate opinion. I suppose the Venezuelan government could have taken a more moderate approach, but it's better than letting the people live in needless poverty.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:55 am

Christian Union wrote:I've lived in enough parts of the country to know our nation is more corrupt than many would like to believe.


Sure. Is this relevant? No. The US isn't as corrupt as Venezuela. This is obvious.

Christian Union wrote:I suppose the Venezuelan government could have taken a more moderate approach, but it's better than letting the people live in needless poverty.


If by taking a "more moderate approach" you mean being economically responsible, I agree with you. And not being able to afford a Plasma TV doesn't constitute "needless poverty".
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Tel » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:14 pm

Christian Union wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
I hardly believe the US will get to Venezuela's level anytime soon. You're the misinformed one.



Except they didn't do it for the people. They did it because inflation is skyrocketing and since Maduro is an incompetent bastard, that's the only thing he could do. They also did to secure the PSUV some cities in the municipal elections.


I've lived in enough parts of the country to know our nation is more corrupt than many would like to believe. Not looking to debate opinion. I suppose the Venezuelan government could have taken a more moderate approach, but it's better than letting the people live in needless poverty.


:rofl:

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Postby CTALNH » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:41 pm

Go Maduro!
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:09 pm

CTALNH wrote:Go Maduro!


What a joke.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:47 am

This is the USA in 10-20 years if they keep following the path they are going on. Read 'Atlas Shrugged' to learn more.

Venezuela is proof that Ayn Rand's book makes sense. The war against greedy people is fun until you are seen as one of the greedy people. When the hosts die the parasites will have nobody else to attack except each other. I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:49 am

Calimera II wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Go Maduro!


What a joke.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:49 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.


Seconded.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:01 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:This is the USA in 10-20 years if they keep following the path they are going on. Read 'Atlas Shrugged' to learn more.

Venezuela is proof that Ayn Rand's book makes sense. The war against greedy people is fun until you are seen as one of the greedy people. When the hosts die the parasites will have nobody else to attack except each other. I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.


You should have read Lord of the Rings instead.
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Postby Nervium » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:08 am

Gauthier wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:This is the USA in 10-20 years if they keep following the path they are going on. Read 'Atlas Shrugged' to learn more.

Venezuela is proof that Ayn Rand's book makes sense. The war against greedy people is fun until you are seen as one of the greedy people. When the hosts die the parasites will have nobody else to attack except each other. I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.


You should have read Lord of the Rings instead.


If anything, it's a lot more connected to reality.
In every possible way.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:09 am

Nervium wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
You should have read Lord of the Rings instead.


If anything, it's a lot more connected to reality.
In every possible way.


:lol2:
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Jorti » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:18 am

Its funny, cause at least Chaves was able to paint his most embarrassing defeats with some pretty color of victories. Maduro has no victories whatsoever, and his defeats are just...simply...embarrassing. Im surprised the people of Venezuela haven't risen up against him. I mean sure, they are getting discounts to buy things because of the government, but even they must know this is only temporarily. What happens when businesses start to fail? DO AN UPRISING ALREADY! (I hope for a peaceful one, but I dont think it will be able to work, will it?)

As for Latin American governments, they've all been dictators since from the start. I think what that land needs are governments who allow Capitalism to take place, but at the same time focus on the poor, not so they can depend on the government, but so they can get up and be a competing part of society themselves. That way, the rich are helping the economy, and the poor are becoming the middle class. Strict welfare, promotion of local businesses, and a compete reduction of government size, hence reduction of corruption. And give the military less power. They look like hawks stalking for the throne.

This ideology is called JOHAMISM! (You guys like it?)

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Postby Whiteshore » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:25 am

Seems like Venezuela's becoming more and more like the "Democratic People's Republic" of Korea,right?
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Postby Nervium » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:31 am

Whiteshore wrote:Seems like Venezuela's becoming more and more like the "Democratic People's Republic" of Korea,right?


Not really, no.
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Postby Calimera II » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:41 pm

Whiteshore wrote:Seems like Venezuela's becoming more and more like the "Democratic People's Republic" of Korea,right?

No, it really doesn't.

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:08 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.


Seconded.


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Not nice people. Not nice to wish bad things on others. In the end, its the ordinary people, many who could care less about politics, that pay the price and not the rich and political elites.

I would think one thing Venezuelans have in common would be no matter which political or economic side they are on they tend to believe in the following.(See the following short Video)

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Postby Seriong » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:02 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:This is the USA in 10-20 years if they keep following the path they are going on. Read 'Atlas Shrugged' to learn more.

Venezuela is proof that Ayn Rand's book makes sense. The war against greedy people is fun until you are seen as one of the greedy people. When the hosts die the parasites will have nobody else to attack except each other. I hope Venezuela collapses as they deserve to.


Edit: I feel like I'm going to be called out for "Not adding something of substance" so I will simply say that in reality Ayn Rand's philosophies have been for a long time at best controversial, and at worst simply ridiculed.
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:30 pm

Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:44 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.


Aaaaand has anyone besides you said it in this thread?
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Postby Luveria » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:50 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.


You never do pass up an opportunity to sling your laughably ridiculous stereotypes against Democrats. Interestingly, the thread is about something in Venezeula, so how you bring Democrats into it is beyond me. *shrugs*

Was I supposed to be impressed?

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Postby Jorti » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:51 pm

Luveria wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.


You never do pass up an opportunity to sling your laughably ridiculous stereotypes against Democrats. Interestingly, the thread is about something in Venezeula, so how you bring Democrats into it is beyond me. *shrugs*

Was I supposed to be impressed?

It was a comparison, dude. Sheesh.

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Postby Luveria » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:01 pm

Jorti wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You never do pass up an opportunity to sling your laughably ridiculous stereotypes against Democrats. Interestingly, the thread is about something in Venezeula, so how you bring Democrats into it is beyond me. *shrugs*

Was I supposed to be impressed?

It was a comparison, dude. Sheesh.


What was being compared? I didn't see a comparison. All I saw was someone rambling about Democrats out of nowhere. The "lets blame everything on Liberals and Democrats and whatever else even if it's unrelated" routine is quite repetitive.

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Freiheit Reich wrote:Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.


Aaaaand has anyone besides you said it in this thread?


No one needs to have said something for Freiheit to make a response to it. I'll give it a try.

Republicans will say this is unfair and that governments must help out businesses. I am sure this will negatively impact Venezuela's economy and discourage other stores from setting up their business in Venezuela. After all, is a business supposed to be like a charity? Every store should have the right to charge as much as they want for their products.

That would be great and all if Republicans were somehow related to it.

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Postby Seriong » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:09 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Democrats will say this is fair and that greedy stores must help out the poor. I am sure this will greatly improve Venezuela's economy and encourage more stores to set up their business in Venezuela. After all, business is supposed to be like a charity right? Everybody has the right to own a TV or refrigerator.

My friend, the democrats are capitalists.
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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