Most Sadistic Person in History

[Lord-General Drache]

Guys (and lady), you are forgetting something important. Sadism is garnering sexual pleasure from inflicting pain, not necessarily death. The key phrase is "sexual pleasure." Without that, you're not a sadistic killer. Not all killers, not even mass murders, kill for sexual pleasure. They do it because it makes them actually feel emotions that they otherwise cannot feel, or out of a compulsion, or other reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeBardeleben
Hence why I mentioned Báthory, Ceausescu and DeBardeleben.

Oh, I know, you were right, but I just wanted to make sure to remind you lest you err later.

Alot of people labour under this idea that all Nazis were sadistic killers or psychopaths. Not all of them worked the camps, and of those that did, not all actively enjoyed their work. Of those that did enjoy it, did it because they felt they were helping the Nazi cause, and being pleased with doing their duty. Few actually were outright sadistic, if what I remember reading of alot of the Nazi officers and such charged are.

[Diseased Imaginings]

still, ya can't deny that Mengele was pretty sadistic...

from what I've read of him (not just wiki ) he derived alot of pleasure from torturing people.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Guys (and lady), you are forgetting something important. Sadism is garnering sexual pleasure from inflicting pain, not necessarily death. The key phrase is "sexual pleasure." Without that, you're not a sadistic killer. Not all killers, not even mass murders, kill for sexual pleasure. They do it because it makes them actually feel emotions that they otherwise cannot feel, or out of a compulsion, or other reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeBardeleben
Hence why I mentioned Báthory, Ceausescu and DeBardeleben.

Oh, I know, you were right, but I just wanted to make sure to remind you lest you err later.

Alot of people labour under this idea that all Nazis were sadistic killers or psychopaths. Not all of them worked the camps, and of those that did, not all actively enjoyed their work. Of those that did enjoy it, did it because they felt they were helping the Nazi cause, and being pleased with doing their duty. Few actually were outright sadistic, if what I remember reading of alot of the Nazi officers and such charged are.

Ah, I see. You're trying to get back at me for showing you you were already under LG's rule, right?

I'll get you for this!

Myra Hindley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders

[Lord-General Drache]

still, ya can't deny that Mengele was pretty sadistic...

from what I've read of him (not just wiki ) he derived alot of pleasure from torturing people.

Oh, Mengele absolutely was. He thoroughly enjoyed every minute of his "work."

[Eirros]

I live in the state where Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer both did those heinous crimes (my grandparents still live in Gein's hometown) and neither of those two are that bad. Both did take pleasure in cannibalism, but they did not kill many people (Dahmer was a homosexual who killed other men and Gein killed, gutted, and ate women).

Stalin and Hitler both killed millions, but it was very impersonal. The genocides were very distant and emotionless (if you can call a genocide emotionless >.>). Stalin actually improved Russia in a way...

No. From my experience, Mengele takes the cake, although the guy that supposedly murdered 300 plus girls because he thought drinking their blood would make him immortal was pretty twisted.

[Arumdaum]

My Ex's

[Pararescue]

Not one person said Hitler? Really really?

[Lord-General Drache]

Ah, I see. You're trying to get back at me for showing you you were already under LG's rule, right?

I'll get you for this!

Myra Hindley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders

You know, serial killers rarely pair up and when they do, it's even more infrequent that it's a romantic couple. I recall that in a few instances, one of the victims of a man who would kidnap, rape and torture women became his lover and joined in. I honestly can't think of more than a few pairs of romantic couples. Too bad I can't remember the names for your morbid curiosity.

Don't worry, I'll get you back properly.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ilse Koch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch

[Lord-General Drache]

Ilse Koch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch

You have a thing for female serials, don't you. It's okay, I accept you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ah, I see. You're trying to get back at me for showing you you were already under LG's rule, right?

I'll get you for this!

Myra Hindley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders

You know, serial killers rarely pair up and when they do, it's even more infrequent that it's a romantic couple. I recall that in a few instances, one of the victims of a man who would kidnap, rape and torture women became his lover and joined in. I honestly can't think of more than a few pairs of romantic couples. Too bad I can't remember the names for your morbid curiosity.

Don't worry, I'll get you back properly.

Bony and Clyde come to mind. Of course, I'm not sure those 2 fit into the 'sadistic' topic of this thread.

[Diseased Imaginings]

Not one person said Hitler? Really really?

hitler was just insane, not actually sadistic.

[Lord-General Drache]

Ah, I see. You're trying to get back at me for showing you you were already under LG's rule, right?

I'll get you for this!

Myra Hindley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders

You know, serial killers rarely pair up and when they do, it's even more infrequent that it's a romantic couple. I recall that in a few instances, one of the victims of a man who would kidnap, rape and torture women became his lover and joined in. I honestly can't think of more than a few pairs of romantic couples. Too bad I can't remember the names for your morbid curiosity.

Don't worry, I'll get you back properly.

Bony and Clyde come to mind. Of course, I'm not sure those 2 fit into the 'sadistic' topic of this thread.

Not sadistic, exactly, from what I remember. They enjoyed the thrill of the robbery, and the hunt and all, but I don't remember what the reports are on how they felt about killing someone.

Edit: Diseased, insanity is strictly a legal term, meaning that at the instance of the crime, the defendant was not in a frame of mind such that they were capable of realizing the immorality and illegality of the situation. It's not a recognized psychological term. Hitler, regardless, was not insane. Perhaps psychotic, yes.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ilse Koch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch

You have a thing for female serials, don't you. It's okay, I accept you.

I got a list of them, but not all fit the 'sadistic' title.
http://listverse.com/2007/09/09/top-10-most-evil-women/

[Parnassus]

Marquis de Sade...just a thought.

True, by definition, he would have to be.

[Timurid Empire]

Just a thought here: Pope Urban II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II

[Zutroy]

Beria. I think there are still stories every now and then about new remains being found in the cellars or the surroundings of his former house.

[Querinos]

I'd like to nominate Caligula.

[Hamilay]

Beria was pretty bad.

[Robarya]

I would go with Albert Fish. He's probably the most disgusting killer I have read of.

[South Lorenya]

The upper managements of EA and 4kids entertainment.

[The Archregimancy]

Erzebet Bathory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzebet_Bathory

Oh man I've been trying to remember her name. Thanks a ton!

You're welcome, Mr. Drache.

Those Slavs take the prize.

Except that Bathory was a Hungarian from a clan of (probably) originally Germanic origins who lived in Transylvania. Hungarians, Germans and Romanians aren't Slavs.

Just a thought here: Pope Urban II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II

Nonsense. Urban II may have called the First Crusade, but he neither called for - nor endorsed - the atrocities subsequently committed by the crusaders (notably the sack of Jerusalem). On the first count, his extant letters after the call for a 'Crusade' barely mention Jerusalem. His own letters seem to call for an army to 'liberate the Eastern Churches' that's not entirely inconsistent with Byzantine Emperor Alexius I's request for western military assistance; all records of his original speeches calling for a 'crusade' against Jerusalem were written years later, aren't consistent with each other, and seem to be retrospective justification. On the second count, Urban II died before news of the capture of Jerusalem reached Rome, but the available evidence suggests that he would have been horrified by the slaughter; his successor, Paschal II, is what we might refer to as a more practical man who had fewer scruples about the means through which the crusaders accomplished their goals.

In any case, even if we hold Urban responsible for the excesses of all of the Crusades, there's absolutely no sign that his original motive was sadism. This is a thread about taking pleasure from inflicting pain and death.

Which is why I find it particularly ironic that someone with a nation named after Timur should be accusing others of sadism. Here's a choice quote from Timur's own journal (taken from wiki because I'm bed-ridden with a bad back and can't look up my own translation) regarding the outcome of the siege of Delhi:

In a short space of time all the people in the Delhi fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground....All these infidel Hindus were slain. Their women and children and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiruddin Umar, a counselor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives....on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and enemies of Islam at liberty... no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword.

Now that makes a better case for sadism than anything Urban II was personally responsible for.


Going back to the OP, I think this is a tricky one. The parameters, taken literally, call for someone to take pleasure from the suffering of others - this isn't really just another 'mass-murderers of history' thread. The problem's exacerbated by the difficulty of knowing the motives of historical figures (which becomes more difficult the further back in time we go), the vilification of historical figures for propaganda purposes in the available historical record (were Caligula and Nero, for example, quite as bad as Suetonius suggests?), and cultural relativism (to western eyes, the entire Aztec civilisation can look sadistic; the Mexica, no doubt, would have argued differently).

So I'll restrict myself to the 20th century, avoid the obvious like Hitler and Pol Pot, and instead put out a shout for two African dictators who were arguably amongst the very worst sadists - taken literally - of the last 100 years.

Macias Nguema of Equatorial Guinea, who killed or exiled a third of the population of his country without even the flimsy ideological cover used by the Khmer Rouge.

Jean-Bedel Bokassa of the Central African Republic (aka Bokassa I of the Central African Empire), who often had his political opponents thrown into a crocodile pit while he watched, was personally involved in torture, and - while eventually acquitted of cannibalism at his trial - may well have ritually eaten the flesh of some of his victims; there are supposed eyewitness accounts to the latter, though reliability is open to question.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Erzebet Bathory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzebet_Bathory

This was the first person that came up when I searched Google for the name of an old friend of mine way back when.

Man, was that ever funny...

[West Failure]

H H Homes was pretty sadistic, but I suppose when it comes to doing it on a massive scale you need to be essentially a dictator. Could be a long list - Caligula, Pol Pot, Bokassa, Papa Doc, etc...