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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:18 am

Gaveo wrote:
Kaito Corporation wrote:Tsundere Liberal?

I am Liberal... I think.

Liberal, as in the modern sense of the world in the USA? Nah.

Classic Liberal? Could be.

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Postby Kaito Corporation » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:20 am

Agritum wrote:
Gaveo wrote:I am Liberal... I think.

Liberal, as in the modern sense of the world in the USA? Nah.

Classic Liberal? Could be.

I seriously don't get how 'liberal' became a synonym for something along the lines of 'centrist' or 'social democrat.'
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:20 am

I was basically a social democrat when I first joined, but now I'm just confused...
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Postby Kaito Corporation » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:21 am

Arumdaum wrote:I was basically a social democrat when I first joined, but now I'm just confused...

Politics is evil.

Why?

It made poor Arum confuzzed. :hug:
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Postby Agritum » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 am

Kaito Corporation wrote:
Agritum wrote:Liberal, as in the modern sense of the world in the USA? Nah.

Classic Liberal? Could be.

I seriously don't get how 'liberal' became a synonym for something along the lines of 'centrist' or 'social democrat.'

Just like libertarian became a sinonym for fiscal conservatives ;)

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Postby Kaito Corporation » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 am

Agritum wrote:
Kaito Corporation wrote:I seriously don't get how 'liberal' became a synonym for something along the lines of 'centrist' or 'social democrat.'

Just like libertarian became a sinonym for fiscal conservatives ;)

Does anyone know why and how? TG me.
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Postby Ikigain » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:35 am

Yup, but they had nothing to do with nationstates. I was a hardcore anarchist when I first got on here, and I really didn't support any separatism but I was aware of race differences. And I still believed in very libertarian social views. Now I'm way more racialist and I have fascist elements of my ideology.

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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:14 pm

Kaito Corporation wrote:
Gaveo wrote:I am Liberal... I think.

Yes. Libertarian is misnomer anyways.

Fufufu. >:|
Agritum wrote:
Gaveo wrote:I am Liberal... I think.

Liberal, as in the modern sense of the world in the USA? Nah.

Classic Liberal? Could be.

Oh I know that. The American Liberal is a bunch of rubbish.

That's what I was thinking. Classical Liberal/Libertarian.
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:19 pm

Stalinism to Democratic Communism.
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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:27 pm

I started out really liberal, then started shifting to the center, then became moderate, then sort of became a heavy capitalist, then tried to start a communist movement, and then finally decided to create my own blend of Future Tech, Communism, and Capitalism.
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Postby Scholencia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:32 pm

Personally, I turned from socialism to libertarianism and I am more for capitalism . Yet, I will continue to honor some left-wing traditions like the Red Army and Comrafe Stalin.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:41 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Kaito Corporation wrote:Yes. Libertarian is misnomer anyways.

Fufufu. >:|
Agritum wrote:Liberal, as in the modern sense of the world in the USA? Nah.

Classic Liberal? Could be.

Oh I know that. The American Liberal is a bunch of rubbish.

That's what I was thinking. Classical Liberal/Libertarian.

If by "rubbish" you mean "meeting the bare minimum of internal consistency with its stated aspirations," then I agree. American social liberalism is "rubbish".

But I have a feeling you don't mean that, and in fact do not know what you're talking about.

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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Fufufu. >:|

Oh I know that. The American Liberal is a bunch of rubbish.

That's what I was thinking. Classical Liberal/Libertarian.

If by "rubbish" you mean "meeting the bare minimum of internal consistency with its stated aspirations," then I agree. American social liberalism is "rubbish".

But I have a feeling you don't mean that, and in fact do not know what you're talking about.

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When I call American Liberalism rubbish, its not because of ideological differences (even though I disagree with their ideals most of the time) its because Americans twisted the word Liberal into a term to describe a center-left ideology.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:03 pm

I'm still a Libertarian.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:07 pm

When i went on Nation states for the first time i was a Communist, and Im still a Communist now. So no major difference really.
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Postby Nevanmaa » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:11 pm

At first, I was just an average center-right liberal conservative who liked America.

After spending a few years on NSG, I've become significantly more right-wing and my love for America has kept growing. I've also become slightly more socially conservative, but I'd attribute that to /pol/ rather than NSG.

I have designed a personal theory during my years here: when you're a moderate and spend time in a place filled with extremists, you tend to go in the exact opposite direction. In this case, NSG's pants-on-head far-leftiness turned moderate center-right Hippo into GOD BLESS AMERICA RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT-Hippo.

Fortunately, I've spent time on some far-right discussion boards as well, which had also had the same effect on me. This means that I will never become a "KILL THE NIGGERS AND GAS THE JEWS, HAPPENING TRAIN SAYS CHOO CHOO CHOO"-type authoritarian neonazi.
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Postby Conkerials » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:08 pm

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm still a Libertarian.

Wait.... A libertarian who is a soft authoritarian on his political test? Hm...
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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:10 pm

Conkerials wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm still a Libertarian.

Wait.... A libertarian who is a soft authoritarian on his political test? Hm...

Doesn't sound Libertarian too me...

Then again, I shouldn't be a good judge as I am far-right and stuff. >.>
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Postby Conkerials » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:24 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Conkerials wrote:Wait.... A libertarian who is a soft authoritarian on his political test? Hm...

Doesn't sound Libertarian too me...

Then again, I shouldn't be a good judge as I am far-right and stuff. >.>

Wouldn't you be a good judge since you re a libertarian? I'M CONFUSED.
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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:52 pm

Conkerials wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Doesn't sound Libertarian too me...

Then again, I shouldn't be a good judge as I am far-right and stuff. >.>

Wouldn't you be a good judge since you re a libertarian? I'M CONFUSED.

No, because usually my extreme views would make me extremely biased.

But I see where you are getting the confusion. Whoops.
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Anollasia
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:53 pm

Became more Pacifist and Socialist.

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Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:58 pm

Became a bit more centrist economically, and significantly more liberal socially.
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Postby Surfistan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:58 pm

I went from centre left to left wing, and became more democratic, and started questioning authority more. And started to really dislike fetishistic militairism.

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Postby Arkiasis » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:42 pm

I'm still a Social Democrat... I think.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:43 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Well, thanks to NS I'm no longer a libertarian. I'd say that's a pretty big change.

before you start celebrating, Divair, no I am still not a social democrat

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