NM Supreme Court Forces Christian to Take Gay Wedding Photos

[Mavorpen]

So you DON'T have any.

Do you?

Please learn what this is.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Yes, that does seem to be your belief: that making claims without evidence and expecting me to take it at a face value is logical.

When you get me evidence that discrimination is virtually nonexistent today, I'll be here.

Discrimination in shops, like we're talking about here?

I've yet to see any evidence that it happens outside of the occasional isolated incident.

You seem to think money is more important than people. As long as the discrimination is rare or at least I haven't heard about it, it's okay to do it. Honestly what kind of world do you live in?

[Wikkiwallana]

Nobody should be forced to take part in a ceremony of which he or she morally disapproves.

Hey, I know what. Let's force leftists to photograph circumcision ceremonies to prevent discrimination against Jews.

Uh, sure, why not? Anybody actually getting turned down for Bris documentation for being Jewish?

[Lunalia]

The anti gay marriage faction is large enough that not even half the states in the US have legalized gay marriage yet. I highly doubt discriminatory businesses will have trouble staying afloat. I'm also fairly sure that if discrimination had not been crushed so heavily wherever it was found fifty years ago, the world would be a highly segregated place now.

With the non-discriminatory businesses as competition? I highly doubt it, and even if they do, there'll still be the non-discriminatory businesses for people to shop at.
Probably. But it has been crushed heavily.

Considering that more states have not legalized gay marriage than legalized it.... the discriminators are in the majority. Indicating that the discriminating businesses have a better chance at staying afloat than the non discriminating businesses.

So since crushing discrimination heavily led to people of multiple ethnicities being mostly accepted (and those who don't accept aren't allowed to segregate against them even though they're unaccepting) why do you not want homosexuals to enjoy the same treatment fifty years from now?

[Zottistan]

Do you?

Please learn what this is.

So, making the claim that discrimination in shops is prevalent in the US isn't a positive claim, huh?

Discrimination in shops, like we're talking about here?

I've yet to see any evidence that it happens outside of the occasional isolated incident.

You seem to think money is more important than people. As long as the discrimination is rare or at least I haven't heard about it, it's okay to do it. Honestly what kind of world do you live in?

As long as the people being discriminated against have other options, which they almost certainly will, it's ok to do it.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Please learn what this is.

So, making the claim that discrimination in shops is prevalent in the US isn't a positive claim, huh?

You seem to think money is more important than people. As long as the discrimination is rare or at least I haven't heard about it, it's okay to do it. Honestly what kind of world do you live in?

As long as the people being discriminated against have other options, which they almost certainly will, it's ok to do it.

There is no good reason to allow it, my money as a consumer, is as good as any others.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

This is disgusting. Might as well force a Jew to judge a non Kosher hot dog eating contest. This court should be ashamed of themselves.

[Mavorpen]

So, making the claim that discrimination in shops is prevalent in the US isn't a positive claim, huh?

No, I said that your claim is bullshit until you can give me some evidence. You don't get to dodge the burden of proof by saying, "NO U!"

[Liriena]

This is disgusting. Might as well force a Jew to judge a non Kosher hot dog eating contest. This court should be ashamed of themselves.

Not really, no.

[Regnum Dominae]

I think that businesses should be permitted to discriminate against customers.

So that everyone can see their bigotry and send them bankrupt by boycotting them.

Pretty much this.
That being said, fuck bigotry in all its forms.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Would it have been that hard for the couple to get another photographer? Honestly, why must they ruin her life through a lawsuit?

[Neo Arcad]

I really think that forcing someone to do something that violates their religious beliefs is a serious problem. I mean, it'd be like ordering a Muslim to eat pork, or telling a Lutheran to worship the Pope. It's not okay. Separation of church and state isn't just a tagline to beat theocrats with; it's a founding principle of the United States. Maybe I just feel strongly about it as a Marylander, because my state was the first place to allow freedom of religion in the modern sense and enshrine it as a tenet of freedom in general. Now, I don't agree with these photographers' beliefs; but I respect and defend their right to hold them.

[Wickedly evil people]

would it be ok to force a gay photographer to do a wedding at Westboro Baptist Church?


nah probably not...

[Ethel mermania]

Would it have been that hard for the couple to get another photographer? Honestly, why must they ruin her life through a lawsuit?

because what the photographer did is against new mexican law, and the enforcement action is civil.

[Farnhamia]

would it be ok to force a gay photographer to do a wedding at Westboro Baptist Church?


nah probably not...

If the Westboro Baptist Church moved to Santa Fe and wanted to hire a gay photographer, that photographer would violate the New Mexico law by refusing.

[Lunalia]

This is disgusting. Might as well force a Jew to judge a non Kosher hot dog eating contest. This court should be ashamed of themselves.

Or force a Christian fifty years ago to let "one of those blacks" into his whites only establishment?

[Mavorpen]

I mean, it'd be like ordering a Muslim to eat pork, or telling a Lutheran to worship the Pope.

What the fuck?

[Totalise]

damned if you do. damned if you don't. best way to sum up the situation, you take the pictures you have crossed a moral line, you don't you get taken to court.

[Australasia]

would it be ok to force a gay photographer to do a wedding at Westboro Baptist Church?


nah probably not...

If the Westboro Baptist Church moved to Santa Fe and wanted to hire a gay photographer, that photographer would violate the New Mexico law by refusing.

That's not discrimination on the basis on race, sexuality, gender, or religion though. That would be on the basis of homophobia and nuttiness. So that wouldn't be a violation of NM law would it?

[Ethel mermania]

would it be ok to force a gay photographer to do a wedding at Westboro Baptist Church?


nah probably not...

why not, the gay photographer can not discriminate on the basis of religion either. they may try to make the case of hostile work enviorment....

[Ethel mermania]

If the Westboro Baptist Church moved to Santa Fe and wanted to hire a gay photographer, that photographer would violate the New Mexico law by refusing.

That's not discrimination on the basis on race, sexuality, gender, or religion though. That would be on the basis of homophobia and nuttiness. So that wouldn't be a violation of NM law would it?

not if the discrimination is on a religious basis, the phelps discriminate becasue they think that is what god wants.

[Geilinor]

With the non-discriminatory businesses as competition? I highly doubt it, and even if they do, there'll still be the non-discriminatory businesses for people to shop at.
Probably. But it has been crushed heavily.

Considering that more states have not legalized gay marriage than legalized it.... the discriminators are in the majority. Indicating that the discriminating businesses have a better chance at staying afloat than the non discriminating businesses.

New Mexico doesn't have same-sex marriage, yet their Supreme Court still ruled that discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal under their law. I'm sure there will be some more states which follow suit with such discrimination protections and rulings.

[Farnhamia]

If the Westboro Baptist Church moved to Santa Fe and wanted to hire a gay photographer, that photographer would violate the New Mexico law by refusing.

That's not discrimination on the basis on race, sexuality, gender, or religion though. That would be on the basis of homophobia and nuttiness. So that wouldn't be a violation of NM law would it?

If the WBC then wanted to contest that refusal - we're deep into the realm of fantasy here - I suppose they would claim they were being discriminated against based on their religion. Then again, it could be anything.

[Geilinor]

would it be ok to force a gay photographer to do a wedding at Westboro Baptist Church?


nah probably not...

why not, the gay photographer can not discriminate on the basis of religion either. they may try to make the case of hostile work enviorment....

I'm sure a hostile work environment and a history of discrimination directed at gay people would be a valid reason to not work for them.

[Wikkiwallana]

It is true it's anti-Christian.

Again, where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not photograph gay weddings"?

Edit:

(Apologies if you're a Christian and I just called Christianity a religion.
I will say "replace 'religion' with 'opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ and his father.")

Christianity is a religion. What on Earth are you apologizing for?