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Which option do you think is most likely to happen in the future?

1) total fail of the idea, dangerous
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15%
2) core states with soe cooperating states
6
3%
3) like it is now
17
9%
4) more integration of other states, some form a core region
30
16%
5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...
55
30%
6) ONLY FOR BRITISH MONARCHISTS: Her Britannic Majesty's Union of Continental Colonies
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26%
 
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European Future - Superpower EU? USE?

Postby Next Washington » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:41 pm

Dear all other nations!

After reading a report in an austrian magazine about 5 possible scenarios concerning the future of the EU, I decided to ask for your opinion.

The full report is only available at http://www.cap.lmu.de/download/2003/2003_cap_szenarien.pdf , only in german, sorry.

It basically defines 5 scenarios for the european future.

1) total fail of the idea, dangerous
2) core states with soe cooperating states
3) like it is now
4) more integration of other states, some form a core region
5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...

At least its the largest region in the world, if you measure the GDP (http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/222901/umfrage/bruttoinlandsprodukt-bip-in-der-europaeischen-union-eu/)
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:48 pm

Next Washington wrote:5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...


5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Nope, it'll split in half and the Germans will briefly take France before America rides in, saves the day, and gets 50 brand new states.
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Postby Next Washington » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Risottia wrote:
Next Washington wrote:5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...


5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".


in this report also a possible expansion into north africa and to the east coast of the mediterranean sea wasn't excluded, what do you think about that?
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:51 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Risottia wrote:
5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".


in this report also a possible expansion into north africa and to the east coast of the mediterranean sea wasn't excluded, what do you think about that?


Not gonna happen, except for Turkey.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:57 pm

Risottia wrote:
Next Washington wrote:5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...


5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".

^This.
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Postby Timna » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Who knows what it'll be called. Doubt the USE. EU works as a name.

I'm guessing it'll vary around a point of being about where it is now. But that's a huge guess.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Risottia wrote:
Next Washington wrote:5) superpower europe, United States of Europe, ...


5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".

How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:26 pm

Hopefully 5.
I wouldn't rule out the med-expansion proposals. Not this century, but one day maybe.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:26 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".

How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?

Nah.

Let's call it something that will truly piss off eurosceptics while pointing out what it actually is, say, for example...

"Freedomland".
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:27 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Genivaria wrote:How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?

Nah.

Let's call it something that will truly piss off eurosceptics while pointing out what it actually is, say, for example...

"Freedomland".


Why don't we just be done with it and call it the Terran Empire.
To make all the other nations go "uhhh..."
Especially if we colonize off-world and refer to them as "The rebels." :p (But never actually go to war.)
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:27 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Genivaria wrote:How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?

Nah.

Let's call it something that will truly piss off eurosceptics while pointing out what it actually is, say, for example...

"Freedomland".

That sounds like something American Nationalists would use. :lol2:
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Nah.

Let's call it something that will truly piss off eurosceptics while pointing out what it actually is, say, for example...

"Freedomland".


Why don't we just be done with it and call it the Terran Empire.
To make all the other nations go "uhhh..."

You have my approval.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:32 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Nah.

Let's call it something that will truly piss off eurosceptics while pointing out what it actually is, say, for example...

"Freedomland".

That sounds like something American Nationalists would use. :lol2:

It was also a dig at them as well.

But I also approve of Ostroeuropa's Terran Empire idea.
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Postby Next Washington » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".

How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?


"European Federation"? no, that has a very bad, communist/autocratic attitude to me...
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Postby Telsia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:35 pm

Bloody seppo's, STOP CALLING IT THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE!

Its the European Union, EU, so when it federates, It'll be called the EUROPEAN FEDERATION, the EF

Its not America, its Europe, stop calling it "America Junior"
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Genivaria wrote:How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?


"European Federation"? no, that has a very bad, communist/autocratic attitude to me...

lolwat? The United States is a Federation. What the hell is communist/autocratic about it?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:38 pm

The Federal Republic of Europe sounds like a snazzy name.
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Postby West Faristan2 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Genivaria wrote:How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?


"European Federation"? no, that has a very bad, communist/autocratic attitude to me...


Yeah but keeping the term EU would just be confusing.
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Postby Galla- » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Telsia wrote:Bloody seppo's, STOP CALLING IT THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE!

Its the European Union, EU, so when it federates, It'll be called the EUROPEAN FEDERATION, the EF

Its not America, its Europe, stop calling it "America Junior"


It's already a federation. o:

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:39 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:The Federal Republic of Europe sounds like a snazzy name.

Unitary or get out. :p
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
5.
But the name "United States of Europe" sucks. We'll keep "European Union".

How bout taking a note from EndWar and calling it the European Federation?

Nah, it's just one step before Confederation, and there's already the Helvetii for that.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:The Federal Republic of Europe sounds like a snazzy name.

Too German and implies that member states aren't republics in their own right.

Call it the Federated Republics of Europe.

Telsia wrote:Bloody seppo's, STOP CALLING IT THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE!

Its the European Union, EU, so when it federates, It'll be called the EUROPEAN FEDERATION, the EF

Its not America, its Europe, stop calling it "America Junior"


Amen, brother.
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Postby Next Washington » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
"European Federation"? no, that has a very bad, communist/autocratic attitude to me...

lolwat? The United States is a Federation. What the hell is communist/autocratic about it?


i know the us are a federation...

but the only country i can name with "federation" in its official name is russia.... and i don't think eu could be compared to that
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Postby Warda » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:41 pm

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