CIA confirms its role in 1953 Iranian Coup

[Arkinesia]

The Iranian Coup was one of the worst things the US has ever orchestrated. It fulfilled short-term oil needs, but crushed democracy and helped create the enemy it's got today.

Yeah, and yet there are still idiots out there who support the actions we took, it turns out.

[Genivaria]

What's up with the CIA "conforming" obvious things recently?

"Hey guys, Area 51 is real"
"Hey guys, we arranged a coup in Iran in 1953"

What next?

"Hey guys, we went to the Moon"

Bullshit I'm still not convinced.

[Timna]

The Iranian Coup was one of the worst things the US has ever orchestrated. It fulfilled short-term oil needs, but crushed democracy and helped create the enemy it's got today.

Yeah, and yet there are still idiots out there who support the actions we took, it turns out.

I think they would take the not entirely unfair view that life is a succession of short-term needs.

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

So I'm guessing in 2073 they'll announce they killed Chavez?

Also, not suprised.
+Great job, now it's America's Fault Iran is making Nuclear Power Plants, and is a Theocracy.

I till love the American late 40's, 50's and 60's though.

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

What's up with the CIA "conforming" obvious things recently?

"Hey guys, Area 51 is real"
"Hey guys, we arranged a coup in Iran in 1953"

What next?

"Hey guys, we went to the Moon"

Bullshit I'm still not convinced.

lol

[Lemanrussland]

Stuff we've known for 50 years, really.

Weak attempts at transparency aside, good that it's finally been officially acknowledged.

[Regnum Dominae]

The Iranian Coup was one of the worst things the US has ever orchestrated. It fulfilled short-term oil needs, but crushed democracy and helped create the enemy it's got today.

This.

I'm happy that the CIA has generally stopped treating the world as their playground in the last few decades.

[Genivaria]

So I'm guessing in 2073 they'll announce they killed Chavez?

Also, not suprised.
+Great job, now it's America's Fault Iran is making Nuclear Power Plants, and is a Theocracy.

I till love the American late 40's, 50's and 60's though.

Oh please we can't even kill Castro.

[Timna]

The Iranian Coup was one of the worst things the US has ever orchestrated. It fulfilled short-term oil needs, but crushed democracy and helped create the enemy it's got today.

This.

I'm happy that the CIA has generally stopped treating the world as their playground in the last few decades.

Has it, though?

In what respect?

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

So I'm guessing in 2073 they'll announce they killed Chavez?

Also, not suprised.
+Great job, now it's America's Fault Iran is making Nuclear Power Plants, and is a Theocracy.

I till love the American late 40's, 50's and 60's though.

Oh please we can't even kill Castro.

And we can't kill Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or any other Superpower Nation....muhahaha!
....anyone else hear about the SAS were involved in The Killing of Princess Diana?
We got one!
Seriously though, I'm sure we killed larger fish.....but......if you name your secret operation "Bay of Pigs....."....
If it has to do with Pigs, then the operation will be a failure.
Assasination of Stalin.."Little Piggie."
Outcome: Failure

[Imperializt Russia]

What's up with the CIA "conforming" obvious things recently?

"Hey guys, Area 51 is real"
"Hey guys, we arranged a coup in Iran in 1953"

What next?

"Hey guys, we went to the Moon"

Because now it's declassified, it's official record.
These are all things that were officially denied, or were on a "neither confirm nor deny" basis and thus had no place in official record and could be dismissed by the government as unsubstantiated rumour - since, officially, that's exactly what they were.

Until they decided to declassify the documents.

[Timna]

These are all things that were officially denied, or were on a "neither confirm nor deny" basis and thus had no place in official record and could be dismissed by the government as unsubstantiated rumour - since, officially, that's exactly what they were.

But if you read the FRUS files, it's mentioned there several times. Seriously.

[Neo Arcad]

What's up with the CIA "conforming" obvious things recently?

"Hey guys, Area 51 is real"
"Hey guys, we arranged a coup in Iran in 1953"

What next?

"Hey guys, we went to the Moon"

A little bit of transparency to balance out PRISM, maybe? Seems like the sort of stupid idea an intern would come up with and for a lack of better options is implemented.

Goddamn good-idea fairies.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Have they admitted involvement in the 1973 Chile coup or is that for another 20 years?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Overthrowing the legal government of a country because Murica didnt like them is fine for YOU?

When a country right next to an evil empire that was the Soviet Union elects a pro-communist prime minister who goes around stealing other country's property, it is more than justified. It was the duty of the West to depose that communist thug.

Apparently only in times that suited them. Admit it, Hippo. He was deposed for moar oilz for the West, not some attempt to bring freedom of trade to the world as you seem to believe.

[Lemanrussland]

The Iranian Coup was one of the worst things the US has ever orchestrated. It fulfilled short-term oil needs, but crushed democracy and helped create the enemy it's got today.

Hooray, blowback!

[Nevanmaa]

Noted. I may or may not participate. *reads link*

Seeing your wild-eyed, hair-on-fire OP has decided me against participating, thanks.

Or maybe it's because you have no idea about the subject and you're just spouting bullshit that you read from Wikipedia?

[Lemanrussland]

That, too. The entire United States was formed out of a colossal act of illegality and overturning of "legitimate" contracts.

And slavery was technically a legal contract; I suppose he should logically support that as well?

Technically, Iran's decision to nationalize AIOC was ruled as legal by the International Court of Justice.

Additionally, the idea that Mosaddeq was a Communist or cuddling up with the Soviets is ridiculous. He was an ardent nationalist with social-democratic tendencies, if anything. Most of the Communist stuff was fed to the Truman administration by Britain to persuade the US to intervene on it's behalf (since the freezing of Iran's sterling assets, the embargo on Iranian goods, and the British intelligence services' attempts at destabilizing Iran and removing Mosaddeq had largely failed).

Do I like Mosaddeq? No, not really. His leadership style slowly evolved into populist authoritarianism, and I think renegotiating the AIOC profit sharing deal from a position of strength would have been a better decision, rather than trying to get away with a full nationalization (despite that being the popular demand, and in the clear legally). Hippo doesn't know what he's talking about, though.

[New Chalcedon]

Noted. I may or may not participate. *reads link*

Seeing your wild-eyed, hair-on-fire OP has decided me against participating, thanks.

Or maybe it's because you have no idea about the subject and you're just spouting bullshit that you read from Wikipedia?

Or because your OP is ridiculously false and biased, without even a shred of evidence to support several key assertions you make.

Take your pick; I know what you'll choose.

And slavery was technically a legal contract; I suppose he should logically support that as well?

Technically, the Iran's decision to nationalize AIOC was ruled as legal by the International Court of Justice.

Additionally, the idea that Mosaddeq was a Communist or cuddling up with the Soviets is ridiculous. He was an ardent nationalist with social-democratic tendencies, if anything. Most of the Communist stuff was fed to the Truman administration by Britain to persuade the US to intervene on it's behalf (since the freezing of Iran's sterling assets, the embargo on Iranian goods, and the British intelligence services' attempts at destabilizing Iran and removing Mosaddeq had largely failed).

Do I like Mosaddeq? No, not really. His leadership style slowly evolved into populist authoritarianism, and I think renegotiating the AIOC profit sharing deal from a position of strength would have been a better decision, rather than trying to get away with a full nationalization (despite that being the popular demand, and in the clear legally). Hippo doesn't know what he's talking about, though.

Oh, no-one's saying that Mossadegh was perfect - frankly, his mistreatment of the Shah (who was still, in those days, something of a moderate as I recall) was not particularly nice, and as you say he should have renegotiated the AIOC concession to terms that benefited Iran/Persia more, as had already been done in 1932.

But yeah; it's hardly news that the CIA was central to the coup d'etat that overthrew him. I wonder what they're trying to do by releasing those documents? My guess is distract from PRISM and turn the discussion to how "open and transparent" they are....60 years down the track.

[Nevanmaa]

Or because your OP is ridiculously false and biased, without even a shred of evidence to support several key assertions you make..

Don't try to weasel out of this, I've provided sources for all my claims.

Just admit that you made accusations about a subject that you know nothing about.

[Alien Space Bats]

"Ayn Rand is the Eternal President of the Republic of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ's America."

Considering how much she hated religion, I'd pay to see that.

[VY2-Yuma]

Finally.

And Hippo, you're a silly. Mosaddeq was much more competent than the stupid puppet Shah that ate the poor so bad that an Islamic revolution occurred.

[Risottia]

Please, let's not blame our Yankee Cousins for everything. ...
Us plucky Brits were just as complicit in the 1953 coup as the Americans, and I insist that we get to share equally in any of the blame going around.

You don't. You're the British EMPIRE, you're expected to be imperialistic. I'd be highly disappointed if you weren't.

[Risottia]

Overthrowing the legal government of a country because Murica didnt like them is fine for YOU?

When a country right next to an evil empire that was the Soviet Union elects a pro-communist prime minister who goes around stealing other country's property, it is more than justified. It was the duty of the West to depose that communist thug.

So why didn't America invade Finland?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Shocker.