Should the UK stay in the EU?

[Arglorand]

Bloody foreigners

Oh and being Welsh is an exception.

The Welsh are the most British people there is.

It can be argued that nobody but the Welsh can really call themselves British, because only the Welsh have a Brythonic language.

[Benuty]

And that is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFyywfHbj3M

I technically beat you to this already .

[New Lyrane]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

[Fartsniffage]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

Referendums aren't always a good idea. Sometimes it's the place of a government to do things in the best interests of the populous even if they don't all agree.

[Tagmatium]

Oh and being Welsh is an exception.

The Welsh are the most British people there is.

It can be argued that nobody but the Welsh can really call themselves British, because only the Welsh have a Brythonic language.

Eh, but they got forced to the outskirts.

Anglo-Saxon is best British.

[Arglorand]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

oh yeah, sure.

Watch as Lithuania completes its record of referendums that failed to meet 50% turnout with an... 11th, I believe, failed referendum.

We never go to referendums, even if they take part at the same time as national elections and even if we go to said national elections. Don't ask why, I don't know.

[Divair]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

Not necessarily. Most countries are, after all, representative democracies and not direct democracies.

[Democratic Koyro]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

Referendums aren't always a good idea. Sometimes it's the place of a government to do things in the best interests of the populous even if they don't all agree.

Referendums are good if it has potential to get rid of something you don't like. Something you agree with? Referendums are horrible, "Best interests of nation even if people don't agree" double standard nonsense.

[Brocwika]

And that is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFyywfHbj3M

Fair enough, although there are some discrepancies like:

-Safer food? Not really, the Britons didn't even know they were eating horse meat in some of their meals.

And you know, the UK wouldn't have to be abandoning intellectual property and consumer protection etc if they decided to lose, they could pass the laws for themselves.

[New Lyrane]

Referendums are good, aren't they? So we should hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain an EU member. We should hold this referendum in the other 27 states.

Not necessarily. Most countries are, after all, representative democracies and not direct democracies.

Even so, most countries do have the ability to hold a referendum, if they decide one is needed.

[Fartsniffage]

Referendums aren't always a good idea. Sometimes it's the place of a government to do things in the best interests of the populous even if they don't all agree.

Referendums are good if it has potential to get rid of something you don't like. Something you agree with? Referendums are horrible, "Best interests of nation even if people don't agree" double standard nonsense.

Not really. Sometimes the populous is simply too stupid to know what is best for the nation. That's why most sensible countries don't have direct democracy.

[Divair]

Not necessarily. Most countries are, after all, representative democracies and not direct democracies.

Even so, most countries do have the ability to hold a referendum, if they decide one is needed.

Sure. I'm just saying I think it isn't needed in this situation. If people were extremely unhappy with the EU, they'd vote in an anti-EU party.

[Napkiraly]

Yes.

[Napkiraly]

Referendums aren't always a good idea. Sometimes it's the place of a government to do things in the best interests of the populous even if they don't all agree.

Referendums are good if it has potential to get rid of something you don't like. Something you agree with? Referendums are horrible, "Best interests of nation even if people don't agree" double standard nonsense.

Always listening to the majority is just as bad as never listening to them. Balance is the key.

[The Ben Boys]

From a conservative's veiwpoint, yes. Though I find it of little actual use, it keeps the European nations united, especially important considering the sheer amount of bloodshed they've had over one-another in past few thousand years. I was surprised it was even created in the first place (rather, in it's present form), what with the Bloc destroyed and all.

[New Lyrane]

Even so, most countries do have the ability to hold a referendum, if they decide one is needed.

Sure. I'm just saying I think it isn't needed in this situation. If people were extremely unhappy with the EU, they'd vote in an anti-EU party.

Yes, but I'm talking about dumping the UK. There's no anti-UK party in any EU member state that I know of.

[Regnum Dominae]

Yes
/thread.

And it should join the euro zone and stop demanding special snowflake treatment.

[Greater Beggnig]

UK OUT!

[Slafstopia]

Yes
/thread.

And it should join the euro zone and stop demanding special snowflake treatment.

I agree that we need to stay in the EU and become part of the Schengen, but I never want to join the eurozone. You just want our money to be worth less

[Warda]

And it should join the euro zone and stop demanding special snowflake treatment.

I agree that we need to stay in the EU and become part of the Schengen, but I never want to join the eurozone. You just want our money to be worth less

I feel like it would be kinda akward if the UK dosnt have the Queen on their money, but common wealth countries do...

[Slafstopia]

I agree that we need to stay in the EU and become part of the Schengen, but I never want to join the eurozone. You just want our money to be worth less

I feel like it would be kinda akward if the UK dosnt have the Queen on their money, but common wealth countries do...

Euros can be customized in design by particular nations while retaining their usability.

[Xanixi]

I feel like it would be kinda akward if the UK dosnt have the Queen on their money, but common wealth countries do...

Euros can be customized in design by particular nations while retaining their usability.

This. German euro coins are stamped with the German eagle, whereas the coins minted here in Spain are stamped with the face of King Juan Carlos I. So, theoretically, if the United Kingdom ends up adopting the euro, Queen Elizabeth II's face would be stamped onto the coin.

[Brocwika]

Euros can be customized in design by particular nations while retaining their usability.

This. German euro coins are stamped with the German eagle, whereas the coins minted here in Spain are stamped with the face of King Juan Carlos I. So, theoretically, if the United Kingdom
ends up adopting the euro, Queen Elizabeth II's face would be stamped onto the coin.

It's a lot more complicated than just switching the money being used. The exchange rates differ, thus adopting it could actually hurt Britain.

Notice how many EU countries didn't fully adopt it.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

No. The EU costs billions of dollars for the UK each year while receiving few benefits. A Switzerland/EU relation for the UK would work quite well; some of the trade agreements and free movements minus the supranational legislature shoving shit down each country's throats.

Wrong.

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Edit: DAMN IT NIGHTKILL

[New Lyrane]

This. German euro coins are stamped with the German eagle, whereas the coins minted here in Spain are stamped with the face of King Juan Carlos I. So, theoretically, if the United Kingdom
ends up adopting the euro, Queen Elizabeth II's face would be stamped onto the coin.

I'm sure the UK could get a derogation if they really want. All the current euro countries have their own designs on the reverse of coins, but the British delight in doing their own thing, so why not in this too? The Irish would certainly appreciate not having to accept coins with the Queen's portrait on them.

It's a lot more complicated than just switching the money being used. The exchange rates differ, thus adopting it could actually hurt Britain.

Notice how many EU countries didn't fully adopt it.

Which ones? I had the impression that 17 countries have adopted the euro (18, as of 1 January next) and the rest haven't. No half measures.