California Governor Signs Transgender Student Bill

[Nation of Fortune]

You have made assertions that gangs will form to take over restrooms and pretend to be trans in the process, and then later you claimed that you said no such thing. I would say that is going back on what you said.

I am in no way saying there won't be problems, I'm saying that by law if a student is refused their right, and can prove they are trans, that they just need to find the right rung of the authority ladder to get their rights restored to them. You have totally ignored the fact that schools would be in fact well informed to any trans student before hand and claimed that posing as trans is as simple as saying they are trans, which is absolutely not the case. If a student truly is trans there would be a psychological background from a licensed psychologist, or other mental health professional, that would be able to back the student.

No I didn't. You misread what I said and I explained to you. You are now putting words in my mouth.

So this only applies to students who have the money and familial support to have recognized their status early on and to have gone to licensed therapists throughout their childhood?
2. Having read the law that isn't how it works.

I hate to say it, but yes, it does leave those students excluded. However, it is not as expensive as one might think to get proper psychological care. Many mental health professionals are willing to work with patients based on cost, and if a student's parents cannot afford to see a therapist the student will not be able to afford any of the other (Rather large) medical expenses resulting from transition.
Then you didn't read the law. It specifically states that it must be in the students records.

[Lithosano]

Did you seriously just call a transwoman "he-she?" That is a very big no-no.

male-to-female = he-to-she = he-she

I don't see what's wrong with that pronoun description.

Spanish "Negroe" = English "negroe" = ni**er

I don't see whats wrong with that description.

[Solarys]

I'm failing to see why biological males should be permitted to play girls' sports.

Why? What did a transperson ever do to you? Is it "tradition," or religion, or something completely different that's preventing you from being tolerant of other peoples' gender identities? I'm not sure you understand that it's not a choice what your gender identity is. You're trapped if you're a girl but have male genitalia, or vice-versa. What you're saying, to keep the gender boundaries where they are, is cruel and unusual and unreasonable to perfectly normal, perfectly nice people who never harmed you with their gender identity. But your views and proposals seem hell-bent on harming them with your aversion to tolerance towards them.

Rant over.

I might be terribly ignorant on the subject. But is there any proof to how it is not some kind of psychological disorder or something.

(Sorry for offending anyone, but as i said, i am bit ignorant on that particular matter).

Anyway, who you are on the inside doesn't matter in something like sports which is physical in nature.

[Souseiseki]

Did you seriously just call a transwoman "he-she?" That is a very big no-no.

male-to-female = he-to-she = he-she

I don't see what's wrong with that pronoun description.

male-to-female = female = she

there's a lot wrong with it because it 1) implies you think they're weird 2) calls them he 3) has a LOT of history

[Pacifornia]

When I was in high school, we used to have a powder puff game, where the girls duked it out on the gridiron while the guys cross-dressed as cheerleaders and were hilarious. Girls can do some serious damage out on the field, I would not cross them when they're in the zone. I could care less what my future son or daughter wanted to play, whether it was football or volleyball

[Blekksprutia]

Why? What did a transperson ever do to you? Is it "tradition," or religion, or something completely different that's preventing you from being tolerant of other peoples' gender identities? I'm not sure you understand that it's not a choice what your gender identity is. You're trapped if you're a girl but have male genitalia, or vice-versa. What you're saying, to keep the gender boundaries where they are, is cruel and unusual and unreasonable to perfectly normal, perfectly nice people who never harmed you with their gender identity. But your views and proposals seem hell-bent on harming them with your aversion to tolerance towards them.

Rant over.

I might be terribly ignorant on the subject. But is there any proof to how it is not some kind of psychological disorder or something.

(Sorry for offending anyone, but as i said, i am bit ignorant on that particular matter).

Anyway, who you are on the inside doesn't matter in something like sports which is physical in nature.

Dysporia is legally a "psychological disorder." Whether it should be or not is kind of blurry.

[Christian Democrats]

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Why should someone's GENDER IDENTITY allow them to play sports with the opposite SEX?

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I guess I'll just use student for the rest of this discussion.

[Des-Bal]

I hate to say it, but yes, it does leave those students excluded. However, it is not as expensive as one might think to get proper psychological care. Many mental health professionals are willing to work with patients based on cost, and if a student's parents cannot afford to see a therapist the student will not be able to afford any of the other (Rather large) medical expenses resulting from transition.
Then you didn't read the law. It specifically states that it must be in the students records.

Okay so we're limiting this to the transgendered from backgrounds affluent enough to afford extensive psychological care, lucky enough to have their gender dysphoria identified early on, with parents supportive enough to get them that extensive psychological care, and who would like to receive and can afford full transition. This law is great for those six people.

No it specifically said irrespective of their student records.

[Solarys]

male-to-female = he-to-she = he-she

I don't see what's wrong with that pronoun description.

Spanish "Negroe" = English "negroe" = ni**er

I don't see whats wrong with that description.

Not really the same. Also "negroe" too depends upon the usage.

male-to-female = he-to-she = he-she

I don't see what's wrong with that pronoun description.

male-to-female = female = she

there's a lot wrong with it because it 1) implies you think they're weird 2) calls them he 3) has a LOT of history

No matter what you say or don't say, there will always be someone offended by things. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is accurate to in context. I know that is what i would use. He and she are already reserved as far as i am concerned.

[Lithosano]

Spanish "Negroe" = English "negroe" = ni**er

I don't see whats wrong with that description.

Not really the same. Also "negroe" too depends upon the usage.

male-to-female = female = she

there's a lot wrong with it because it 1) implies you think they're weird 2) calls them he 3) has a LOT of history

No matter what you say or don't say, there will always be someone offended by things. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is accurate to in context. I know that is what i would use. He and she are already reserved as far as i am concerned.

It is the same. Both are highly offensive terms with a historical usage as slurs.

It's not even close to accurate. A transwoman is female. Refer to her as such.

[Nation of Fortune]

No I didn't. You misread what I said and I explained to you. You are now putting words in my mouth.

So this only applies to students who have the money and familial support to have recognized their status early on and to have gone to licensed therapists throughout their childhood?
2. Having read the law that isn't how it works.

I hate to say it, but yes, it does leave those students excluded. However, it is not as expensive as one might think to get proper psychological care. Many mental health professionals are willing to work with patients based on cost, and if a student's parents cannot afford to see a therapist the student will not be able to afford any of the other (Rather large) medical expenses resulting from transition.
Then you didn't read the law. It specifically states that it must be in the students records.

Rereading that last part it looks like I misread that line in the law, I apologize for this statement and admit I was incorrect.

However, that being said, seeing as how the school has a duty to protect the privacy of it's students, I don't find it much of a question that individual schools would require evidence before allowing a student to wantonly enter private spaces in a manner you speak of. I do not think it unreasonable of them in the least.

[Souseiseki]

No matter what you say or don't say, there will always be someone offended by things. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is accurate to in context. I know that is what i would use. He and she are already reserved as far as i am concerned.

it's not accurate in context and most people would hate you for using it! please don't use it! it's actually quite bad!

<snip>

Why should someone's GENDER IDENTITY allow them to play sports with the opposite SEX?

<snip>

I guess I'll just use student for the rest of this discussion.

i suppose doing a little dance so you can avoid calling them the proper/preferred pronoun without using something like he-she is a step up

[Christian Democrats]

No matter what you say or don't say, there will always be someone offended by things. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is accurate to in context. I know that is what i would use. He and she are already reserved as far as i am concerned.

it's not accurate in context and most people would hate you for using it! please don't use it! it's actually quite bad!

Why should someone's GENDER IDENTITY allow them to play sports with the opposite SEX?


I guess I'll just use student for the rest of this discussion.

i suppose doing a little dance so you can avoid calling them the proper/preferred pronoun without using something like he-she is a step up

An MTF is a biological male in every sense. If MTF wants to play sports, play sports with other physical males. Sports are physical.

Better?

[Solarys]

It is the same. Both are highly offensive terms with a historical usage as slurs.

It's not even close to accurate. A transwoman is female. Refer to her as such.

1) No, both are different.
2) Depends on the context.
3) A transwoman is not a female, but a male to female and hence the he-she.

[Meryuma]

I could really care less, even though I am one of those Californian Students.

But whats next, IF HES PRESIDENT, HES GONNA MAKE YOUR KIDS MEDITATE IN SCHOOL


AND ZEN FASCISTS WILL CONTROL ALL OF US.

WE WILL JOG FOR THE MASTER RACE

YOU WILL WEAR THE HAPPY FACE

WE WILL MELLOW OUT OR WE WILL PAY!!!!

NOW YOU GET A KNOCK AT YOUR FRONT DOOR, ITS THE SUEDE DENEIM SECRET POLICE!!!!

THEY ARE HERE FOR OUR UNCOOL NEICE!!!



And that my friends, is what happens when you mess with president Jerry Brown.


Nah but really, Jerry Brown sucks, please take it from a Californian, please dont vote for him if he runs for president.

If you think what Jello Biafra was criticizing was stuff like trans equality he probably wouldn't have much respect for you.

No matter what you say or don't say, there will always be someone offended by things. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is accurate to in context. I know that is what i would use. He and she are already reserved as far as i am concerned.

Sousei is a trans woman, so it's rather arrogant of you to assume you know more about her than she does.

[Free South Califas]

Even within the human species, sex is not a perfect binary. Intersex and sexually ambiguous people do exist. Not to mention countless cultures often believed in the existence of a 'third gender', often with many sub-genders within it.

And this is usually addressed with sexual (re)assignment surgery at a very young age to ensure as normal a growing-up as possible.

Then it's totally wrong-headed, because this surgery denies bodily sovereignty and creates generations of people who grow up confused and feel anxiety and anguish, not to mention the understandable temptation to be rather bitter and hateful toward doctors, none of which we should encourage.

[Lithosano]

it's not accurate in context and most people would hate you for using it! please don't use it! it's actually quite bad!



i suppose doing a little dance so you can avoid calling them the proper/preferred pronoun without using something like he-she is a step up

An MTF is a biological male in every sense. If MTF wants to play sports, play sports with other physical males. Sports are physical.

Better?

Marginally.

[Des-Bal]

Rereading that last part it looks like I misread that line in the law, I apologize for this statement and admit I was incorrect.

However, that being said, seeing as how the school has a duty to protect the privacy of it's students, I don't find it much of a question that individual schools would require evidence before allowing a student to wantonly enter private spaces in a manner you speak of. I do not think it unreasonable of them in the least.

Looking it over they really just have to say they identify as female, the school could deny but the student can appeal the process for which I cannot find any details on.

[Lithosano]

It is the same. Both are highly offensive terms with a historical usage as slurs.

It's not even close to accurate. A transwoman is female. Refer to her as such.

1) No, both are different.
2) Depends on the context.
3) A transwoman is not a female, but a male to female and hence the he-she.

How exactly are they different?

A transwoman is a female. "He-she" is a highly inappropriate and offensive term.

[Solarys]

Sousei is a trans woman, so it's rather arrogant of you to assume you know more about her than she does.

When did i ever say i know anything about her ? If you are not a female by birth, don't expect me to consider you on the same level as those who are. The same for fem-males too.

[Free South Califas]

Maybe it's a product of your privilege but assholes are actually pretty hard to deal with. Getting an escort to the bathroom makes you stand out and reporting someone for throwing you out of the bathroom makes you a snitch. Maybe they should have escorts to follow them at all times because that sounds like a recipe for a savage beating.

Hey man, I don't think gays are being targeted for being gay. I think it's just because they're too flamboyant, just my 2 cents.

Perfect unintentional Swiftian satire

[Nation of Fortune]

I hate to say it, but yes, it does leave those students excluded. However, it is not as expensive as one might think to get proper psychological care. Many mental health professionals are willing to work with patients based on cost, and if a student's parents cannot afford to see a therapist the student will not be able to afford any of the other (Rather large) medical expenses resulting from transition.
Then you didn't read the law. It specifically states that it must be in the students records.

Okay so we're limiting this to the transgendered from backgrounds affluent enough to afford extensive psychological care, lucky enough to have their gender dysphoria identified early on, with parents supportive enough to get them that extensive psychological care, and who would like to receive and can afford full transition. This law is great for those six people.

No it specifically said irrespective of their student records.

I think you are overestimating the costs of seeing a mental health professional.

[Christian Democrats]

An MTF is a biological male in every sense. If MTF wants to play sports, play sports with other physical males. Sports are physical.

Better?

Marginally.

He-she is also a gender neutral (non-binary gender) term.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he/she

[Solarys]

1) No, both are different.
2) Depends on the context.
3) A transwoman is not a female, but a male to female and hence the he-she.

How exactly are they different?

A transwoman is a female. "He-she" is a highly inappropriate and offensive term.

a transwoman is a male turned female. He-she is a highly appropriate and accurate term.

[Nation of Fortune]

Rereading that last part it looks like I misread that line in the law, I apologize for this statement and admit I was incorrect.

However, that being said, seeing as how the school has a duty to protect the privacy of it's students, I don't find it much of a question that individual schools would require evidence before allowing a student to wantonly enter private spaces in a manner you speak of. I do not think it unreasonable of them in the least.

Looking it over they really just have to say they identify as female, the school could deny but the student can appeal the process for which I cannot find any details on.

If it got that point it wouldn't take much to determine if the student was lying or not.