Atheism and Misogyny

[The Parkus Empire]

I wouldn't care if a man propositioned me where there were people around. If he offers to pay me to fuck when there aren't people around, the thought of him not taking no for an answer does enter my mind, yeah.

but you said it would not if a woman propositioned you. again sexism.

You can call it sexism, but you'll have to substantiate why I should be afraid of a woman raping me under such circumstances.

[The Parkus Empire]

rape rates are so incredibly low

You call 20% of women having been raped, "low"?

[Xsyne]

rape rates are so incredibly low

You call 20% of women having been raped, "low"?

Yes. Pretty sure the actual numbers are closer to 30%.

[The Parkus Empire]

You call 20% of women having been raped, "low"?

Yes. Pretty sure the actual numbers are closer to 30%.

Acceptable losses

[Olthar]

Well, there really is no "atheist movement," but I am disappointed by how many prominent atheists are showing their misogyny because the mainstream opinion can't handle there not being any "movement" and clumps them in with the rest of us pro-equality atheists.

[Sociobiology]

What makes you think it is not?
again do you see the sexism in your comment?

Because it isn't. That's sort of part of male privilege, in case you aren't familiar with the concept.

you mean that thing that has never been demonstrated empirically?

much like many variable men have a wider standard deviation than women when studied, which means they are more likely to produce both a bottom of the barrel and a cream of the crop, to horribly mix a metaphor...
anyway, men preform both better and worst on many variables, the only ones the preform "better" on consistently is height and muscle mass.
men are more likely to produce a genius but also more likely to produce a blithering idiot.
male privilege and male disability are the same thing.

which is really not surprising given our natural history.

[The Parkus Empire]

Well, there really is no "atheist movement," but I am disappointed by how many prominent atheists are showing their misogyny because the mainstream opinion can't handle there not being any "movement" and clumps them in with the rest of us pro-equality atheists.

There is an atheist movement, as in people who are atheists as a major part of their identity and see it as an embodiment of their skepticism. It's somewhat synonymous with New Atheism.

[The Parkus Empire]

Because it isn't. That's sort of part of male privilege, in case you aren't familiar with the concept.

you mean that thing that has never been demonstrated empirically?

much like many variable men have a wider standard deviation than women when studied, which means they are more likely to produce both a bottom of the barrel and a cream of the crop, to horribly mix a metaphor...
anyway, men preform both better and worst on many variables, the only ones the preform "better" on consistently is height and muscle mass.
men are more likely to produce a genius but also more likely to produce a blithering idiot.
male privilege and male disability are the same thing.

which is really not surprising given our natural history.

I searched "man raped in park": I found an article where a dude was raped by three men. All other results were men raping women in the park. This isn't about probability or variance or average, it's about women raping men in the park not really happening.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Well, there really is no "atheist movement," but I am disappointed by how many prominent atheists are showing their misogyny because the mainstream opinion can't handle there not being any "movement" and clumps them in with the rest of us pro-equality atheists.

There is an atheist movement, as in people who are atheists as a major part of their identity and see it as an embodiment of their skepticism. It's somewhat synonymous with New Atheism.

It is "New Atheism".

Atheism in of itself is merely a lack of belief.

[Sociobiology]

rape rates are so incredibly low

You call 20% of women having been raped, "low"?

because I know something about history yes.
good, no
low, yes.

also note most of those are indoors, and perpetrated by friends or family, not strangers or outside

although the US does have a high rate, much higher than most European countries.

Edit, although I take your point is is much higher than you expect when you first hear it.

[The Parkus Empire]

There is an atheist movement, as in people who are atheists as a major part of their identity and see it as an embodiment of their skepticism. It's somewhat synonymous with New Atheism.

It is "New Atheism".

Atheism in of itself is merely a lack of belief.

Yes, but people such as Dawkins don't write under that banner, they write under the "atheist" banner. That's a problem in its own right, because it makes atheism out to be an ideology.

[Sociobiology]

you mean that thing that has never been demonstrated empirically?

much like many variable men have a wider standard deviation than women when studied, which means they are more likely to produce both a bottom of the barrel and a cream of the crop, to horribly mix a metaphor...
anyway, men preform both better and worst on many variables, the only ones the preform "better" on consistently is height and muscle mass.
men are more likely to produce a genius but also more likely to produce a blithering idiot.
male privilege and male disability are the same thing.

which is really not surprising given our natural history.

I searched "man raped in park": I found an article where a dude was raped by three men. All other results were men raping women in the park. This isn't about probability or variance or average, it's about women raping men in the park not really happening.

which you determined by a Google search, wow...

oh 4% of rapes occur outdoors, so if anything you should feel safer outdoors than anywhere else.

[Olthar]

Well, there really is no "atheist movement," but I am disappointed by how many prominent atheists are showing their misogyny because the mainstream opinion can't handle there not being any "movement" and clumps them in with the rest of us pro-equality atheists.

There is an atheist movement, as in people who are atheists as a major part of their identity and see it as an embodiment of their skepticism. It's somewhat synonymous with New Atheism.

"New Atheism" is stupid. Atheism isn't a system of belief or a philosophy. It is simply the non-belief in a god or gods. That's all. There's nothing more to it, and I don't understand why people keep trying to add more to it. I don't even regularly think about the fact that I'm atheist. All my political beliefs stand just fine on their own. I don't need to link them to something so inconsequential as being atheist.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It is "New Atheism".

Atheism in of itself is merely a lack of belief.

Yes, but people such as Dawkins don't write under that banner, they write under the "atheist" banner. That's a problem in its own right, because it makes atheism out to be an ideology.

He can claim he's acting for "atheism", but painting a horse with stripes doesn't make it a zebra.

[The Parkus Empire]

I searched "man raped in park": I found an article where a dude was raped by three men. All other results were men raping women in the park. This isn't about probability or variance or average, it's about women raping men in the park not really happening.

which you determined by a Google search, wow...

oh 4% of rapes occur outdoors, so if anything you should feel safer outdoors than anywhere else.

Yes, rapes also tend to be committed by people the victim knows. Therefore a woman should feel more comfortable getting a ride from a stranger than from a friend.

The reason rapes occur less outdoors is because of people, same reason sex itself tends to occur less outdoors. I'd feel safer in a plaza than in an elevator. I'd also feel safer in a bar than in a park with just me and the other dude.

[The Parkus Empire]

There is an atheist movement, as in people who are atheists as a major part of their identity and see it as an embodiment of their skepticism. It's somewhat synonymous with New Atheism.

"New Atheism" is stupid. Atheism isn't a system of belief or a philosophy. It is simply the non-belief in a god or gods. That's all. There's nothing more to it, and I don't understand why people keep trying to add more to it. I don't even regularly think about the fact that I'm atheist. All my political beliefs stand just fine on their own. I don't need to link them to something so inconsequential as being atheist.

Yeah, that's why I added the edit in the OP

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, but people such as Dawkins don't write under that banner, they write under the "atheist" banner. That's a problem in its own right, because it makes atheism out to be an ideology.

He can claim he's acting for "atheism", but painting a horse with stripes doesn't make it a zebra.

And this thread is really more about the atheist movement (New Atheists who just use the term "atheist") than it is about atheism.

[Olthar]

"New Atheism" is stupid. Atheism isn't a system of belief or a philosophy. It is simply the non-belief in a god or gods. That's all. There's nothing more to it, and I don't understand why people keep trying to add more to it. I don't even regularly think about the fact that I'm atheist. All my political beliefs stand just fine on their own. I don't need to link them to something so inconsequential as being atheist.

Yeah, that's why I added the edit in the OP

I don't even particularly like the idea of an atheist community. It just seems like one of the silliest things one could form a community around. What would these people have in common? Nothing necessarily. There'd be nothing to talk about. Form a community over something more substantial.

[Sociobiology]

which you determined by a Google search, wow...

oh 4% of rapes occur outdoors, so if anything you should feel safer outdoors than anywhere else.

Yes, rapes also tend to be committed by people the victim knows. Therefore a woman should feel more comfortable getting a ride from a stranger than from a friend.

hey your the one using statistics to defend their bigotry/paranoia, don't get mad when I point out they don't actually support it.

The reason rapes occur less outdoors is because of people, same reason sex itself tends to occur less outdoors. I'd feel safer in a plaza than in an elevator. I'd also feel safer in a bar than in a park with just me and the other dude.

I am sorry for you if you think sex outside is that rare.
no wait, you could live in a city.

[Tlaceceyaya]

It is "New Atheism".

Atheism in of itself is merely a lack of belief.

Yes, but people such as Dawkins don't write under that banner, they write under the "atheist" banner. That's a problem in its own right, because it makes atheism out to be an ideology.

No, he doesn't write under the "atheist banner". His own foundation is not called The Richard Dawkins Atheist Foundation, it's the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science. You're coming off as someone of a conspiracy theorist with all of this.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, rapes also tend to be committed by people the victim knows. Therefore a woman should feel more comfortable getting a ride from a stranger than from a friend.

hey your the one using statistics to defend their bigotry/paranoia, don't get mad when I point out they don't actually support it.

The reason rapes occur less outdoors is because of people, same reason sex itself tends to occur less outdoors. I'd feel safer in a plaza than in an elevator. I'd also feel safer in a bar than in a park with just me and the other dude.

I am sorry for you if you think sex outside is that rare.
no wait, you could live in a city.

I am sorry for you if you think I think that.
I live in a ghetto.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Yeah, that's why I added the edit in the OP

I don't even particularly like the idea of an atheist community. It just seems like one of the silliest things one could form a community around. What would these people have in common? Nothing necessarily. There'd be nothing to talk about. Form a community over something more substantial.

Agreed.

[Sociobiology]

hey your the one using statistics to defend their bigotry/paranoia, don't get mad when I point out they don't actually support it.


I am sorry for you if you think sex outside is that rare.
no wait, you could live in a city.

I am sorry for you if you think I think that.
I live in a ghetto.

yeah I can't think of a single time I had sex outside in a city, it was always in the burbs, rural, or wilderness.

[Sociobiology]

I don't even particularly like the idea of an atheist community. It just seems like one of the silliest things one could form a community around. What would these people have in common? Nothing necessarily. There'd be nothing to talk about. Form a community over something more substantial.

Agreed.

Humanists on the other hand are sort of a group.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, he doesn't write under the "atheist banner". His own foundation is not called The Richard Dawkins Atheist Foundation, it's the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.

And as an atheist, I'd much prefer he call it The Richard Dawkins Anti-Theist Foundation.

You're coming off as someone of a conspiracy theorist with all of this.

After going through this thread, it's clear that I'm not the only one who feels this way.