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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
164
41%
Shia
53
13%
Ibadi
15
4%
Ahmadiyya
10
2%
Sufi
31
8%
Nondenominational
47
12%
Other
84
21%
 
Total votes : 404

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:53 am

Neutraligon wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:In the cause of the truth and god we must do what we must do. What is wrong with that? And who am I saying should he mass murdered? I am pro-death penalty but that could be any one. And this goes back to earlier about how I want to live in an Islamic nation because if I said the stuff I say I would get approval.


What is wrong with that, you are killing people, that's what's wrong. People don't like being threatened, they respond to being threatened, often by killing the thing that is threatening them. Oh and every religion they are doing what they do in the name of truth and whatever deity or deities they believe in, so by that logic they have just as much right to kill you as you do them. So basically you want to live in an echo chamber where people are willing to kill and maim to get their way.

"No, no, I'm Muslim, I'm special, I am right and they are wrong therefore special murder privileges" or something.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:54 am

Islam is the religion of peace
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:01 am

Benian Republic wrote:Islam is the religion of peace


Adn if you doubt that we will chop your head off ;) ?

Islam really needs to hire some decent PR advisors.
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Postby Kedah » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:01 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:I am a Al-Qaida supporter to some extent but I wasn't making reference to there flag actually I was making reference to this one
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If you can't even spell it correctly, how do we know you are not an Israeli university student working in a trolls-for-scholarships program like the one recently acknowledged?

You seem to have an odd mix of beliefs and hatreds, especially when compared to the IRL Muslims I know.

You didn't defend Al-Q's killing of Muslim civilians, or accepting Israeli/American weapons; and you supposedly support Hizb Allah in Lebanon, though real Takfiri Al-Q supporters like ISIS constantly vilify them for being Shia "Grave Worshippers".

You're very confused, or not what you seem.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:04 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Islam is the religion of peace


Adn if you doubt that we will chop your head off ;) ?

Islam really needs to hire some decent PR advisors.

Lemme do it! :D I just need... history lessons...
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Postby Aesthetic Appeal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:38 am

Maybe the media should show more non-violent, well-integrated Muslims?
You know, because that's what most Muslims are actually like?

Though despite being Muslim in a very racist country I get relatively little crap about it.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:43 am

Aesthetic Appeal wrote:Maybe the media should show more non-violent, well-integrated Muslims?
You know, because that's what most Muslims are actually like?

Though despite being Muslim in a very racist country I get relatively little crap about it.


Unless they are responding to a disaster there is no money to be made showing people being good.
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Postby Aesthetic Appeal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:57 am

Neutraligon wrote:Unless they are responding to a disaster there is no money to be made showing people being good.


It doesn't have to be in the news. Any form of media would do. You know how shows and books have a token ethnic minority character, or in better cases a cast of multiple ethnicities? Or more recently having a member of the cast be LGBT? And they're usually depicted as non-stereotypical, normal people.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:10 am

Aesthetic Appeal wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Unless they are responding to a disaster there is no money to be made showing people being good.


It doesn't have to be in the news. Any form of media would do. You know how shows and books have a token ethnic minority character, or in better cases a cast of multiple ethnicities? Or more recently having a member of the cast be LGBT? And they're usually depicted as non-stereotypical, normal people.


I wonder how many people will pay attention to that token minority. If a main character, then it might work.
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Postby Montenalba » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:12 am

Calm versions of Islam like that in Albania and Kosovo do no harm. Extremism represents a small minority of Muslims, however we need to prevent the Extremists from 'brainwashing' the calmer Muslims.

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Postby -Arabiyah- » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:04 am

Kedah wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:I am a Al-Qaida supporter to some extent but I wasn't making reference to there flag actually I was making reference to this one
(Image)


If you can't even spell it correctly, how do we know you are not an Israeli university student working in a trolls-for-scholarships program like the one recently acknowledged?

You seem to have an odd mix of beliefs and hatreds, especially when compared to the IRL Muslims I know.

You didn't defend Al-Q's killing of Muslim civilians, or accepting Israeli/American weapons; and you supposedly support Hizb Allah in Lebanon, though real Takfiri Al-Q supporters like ISIS constantly vilify them for being Shia "Grave Worshippers".

You're very confused, or not what you seem.


Al-Qaida or Al-Qaeda is ok there is no real dofrance. Also Sheikh Osama did accept Shias and also Hizb Allah did for an Alliance with Al-Qaida in training for Suicide Bombings. Also Osama worked with Shi'ite and Sufi Militas in Afghanistan in 1979. ISIL is not Al-Qeada but actually the enemy of Al-Qeada. Because it's founder Abu Zaraqawi was banned from Al-Qaeda for disobeying orders.And founded his own Milita which is the enemy of every one there only true Ally is The Army of the men of the Naqshbandi order.
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I don't care who gives us Weapons that's only better. Why should I care the enemy supplying us is just stupid. In Afghanistan in the 70's-80's the U.S. didn't care about Islam. It cared about countering the Soviet Union. Our war was for Allah America's to stop the Soviet Union. And killing Muslim Civlians maybe they broke Laws not Secularist Man's laws but Allah's(SWT) law. When one brakes a law one must be punished.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:09 am

Kedah wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:I am a Al-Qaida supporter to some extent but I wasn't making reference to there flag actually I was making reference to this one
(Image)


If you can't even spell it correctly, how do we know you are not an Israeli university student working in a trolls-for-scholarships program like the one recently acknowledged?


Without going into any details, I'll vouch - as a site moderator - for the fact that he isn't an Israeli troll.

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Postby Adab » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:15 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Islam is the religion of peace


Adn if you doubt that we will chop your head off ;) ?

Islam really needs to hire some decent PR advisors.


I'm not serving as the extremists' spokesman, but maybe that will be their reaction. ;)

Thankfully for so many people, there are many moderate, peace-loving Muslims around. They don't go around preaching war against non-Muslim (and they're opposed to Al-Qaeda and other Islamist terrorist organizations). If they're preaching their religion, they do it peacefully. That, thank God, is the case here in Indonesia. Yes, there's some extremists around, but most Muslims here believe in fostering and preserving harmony with non-Muslims, and preaching Islam peacefully.

Montenalba wrote:Calm versions of Islam like that in Albania and Kosovo do no harm. Extremism represents a small minority of Muslims, however we need to prevent the Extremists from 'brainwashing' the calmer Muslims.


I fully agree with this.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:30 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Aesthetic Appeal wrote:
It doesn't have to be in the news. Any form of media would do. You know how shows and books have a token ethnic minority character, or in better cases a cast of multiple ethnicities? Or more recently having a member of the cast be LGBT? And they're usually depicted as non-stereotypical, normal people.


I wonder how many people will pay attention to that token minority. If a main character, then it might work.

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Postby Kedah » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:21 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Without going into any details, I'll vouch - as a site moderator - for the fact that he isn't an Israeli troll.


I'll take your word for it. And sorry, I suspect my comment was a bit out of line.

Please carry on.

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Postby Jinwoy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:24 pm

-Arabiyah- wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:Don't see why Seth McFarlane should've died, Family Guy is pretty stupid, though.

Because of his frequent abuse of Islam in his shows. But I don't want to get in trouble so yeah let's just end it here.


Seth MacFarlane shits on everyone, your religion isn't a special snowflake.

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Postby -Arabiyah- » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:38 pm

Jinwoy wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:Because of his frequent abuse of Islam in his shows. But I don't want to get in trouble so yeah let's just end it here.


Seth MacFarlane shits on everyone, your religion isn't a special snowflake.

Hell yes it is. He never insults atheists or most liberals except for Bill Clinton.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:40 pm

Jinwoy wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:Because of his frequent abuse of Islam in his shows. But I don't want to get in trouble so yeah let's just end it here.


Seth MacFarlane shits on everyone, your religion isn't a special snowflake.

Subjective :P.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:42 pm

-Arabiyah- wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
Seth MacFarlane shits on everyone, your religion isn't a special snowflake.

Hell yes it is. He never insults atheists or most liberals except for Bill Clinton.

If you don't like his shows, don't watch them.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:20 pm

Othelos wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:Hell yes it is. He never insults atheists or most liberals except for Bill Clinton.

If you don't like his shows, don't watch them.

How else am I going to learn his weak points?
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Postby Arabic Spain » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:32 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Tomb of Jonah was blown up.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... t=20140725


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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Tomb of Jonah was blown up.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... t=20140725


Individuals concerned over what's happening to the archaeological heritage of Syria and Northern Iraq can consider contacting the Association for the Protection of Syrian Archaeology [APSA].

While focused on Syria, the expansion of ISIS into a cross-border organisation means APSA is now concerned to some extent about relevant activity on both sides of the border.

The before and after photograph in the following spoilered image of the Roman city of Apamea gives a small idea of what's happening. The extensive pitting in the 'after' photograph doesn't consist of small pitting or war damage.

Zooming closer, you can see that these are not small holes," Casana said. "Most measure 2 or 3 meters (7 to 10 feet) on the side, and many of them are bigger, suggesting that they're probably dug with the help of machinery."


http://www.livescience.com/42670-syrian ... ology.html

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As an archaeologist who's currently living and working in the Middle East, it's obviously a topic of particular interest to me.

I would, however, recommend that detailed discussion of the threat to Syria and Iraq's archaeological heritage be taken to a different thread unless the topic of discussion is narrowly limited to the impact of conservative interpretations of Sharia Law on cultural/archaeological heritage - see also what the Saudis are doing to Mecca and Medina - particularly as regards the Wahhabist-inspired destruction of sites and shrines associated with prophets and historically important Muslims on the basis that they encourage idolatry (Latter link: "The situation is so bad that the Washington based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 percent of the millennium old buildings in the two cities have been destroyed in the past twenty years").

That's a more appropriate focus for the present thread.

Did you realise, for example, that the house of Khadijah - first wife of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), of course - has recently been torn down and replaced with... a block of public toilets. Now that's a great way for the Guardian of the Two Holy Mosques to send out a positive international message about both women and Islam's cultural heritage.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:18 pm

Aesthetic Appeal wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Unless they are responding to a disaster there is no money to be made showing people being good.


It doesn't have to be in the news. Any form of media would do. You know how shows and books have a token ethnic minority character, or in better cases a cast of multiple ethnicities? Or more recently having a member of the cast be LGBT? And they're usually depicted as non-stereotypical, normal people.

Token minorities don't help very much, if at all.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:20 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Aesthetic Appeal wrote:
It doesn't have to be in the news. Any form of media would do. You know how shows and books have a token ethnic minority character, or in better cases a cast of multiple ethnicities? Or more recently having a member of the cast be LGBT? And they're usually depicted as non-stereotypical, normal people.

Token minorities don't help very much, if at all.

They may even make matters worse.
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