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Should Homeschooling be Illegal?

Yes, it's bad for kids.
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9%
Yes, but make it legal only in certain circumstances
53
12%
Neutral/Don't care
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4%
No, Im not a fan of homeschooling but we shouldn't make it illegal.
122
29%
No.
184
43%
No, in fact make homeschooling the only form of school.
10
2%
 
Total votes : 428

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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:18 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Agorya wrote:Here's a better idea: get rid of public schools and make attendance voluntary. It shall drive the prices down and allow more diversified education opportunity.

That's a terrible idea.

It's a great way to trap people into generational poverty and rob children of any life opportunities.

Illiteracy wasn't eliminated in most countries until mandatory school systems (church or state based) began to sprout up.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with voucherized education (provided schools are accredited and follow a standard curriculum), fully privatized education with no provision for those unable to pay is disgusting and anti-freedom.
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Postby Agorya » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:24 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Thafoo wrote:That's a terrible idea.

It's a great way to trap people into generational poverty and rob children of any life opportunities.

Illiteracy wasn't eliminated in most countries until mandatory school systems (church or state based) began to sprout up.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with voucherized education (provided schools are accredited and follow a standard curriculum), fully privatized education with no provision for those unable to pay is disgusting and anti-freedom.


Ha. Anti freedom is losing our ability to pick and choose instead being goaded into a subpar school. All people should have the ability to pay with surplus gained through what would be tax money.
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Postby Thafoo » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:25 pm

Agorya wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:It's a great way to trap people into generational poverty and rob children of any life opportunities.

Illiteracy wasn't eliminated in most countries until mandatory school systems (church or state based) began to sprout up.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with voucherized education (provided schools are accredited and follow a standard curriculum), fully privatized education with no provision for those unable to pay is disgusting and anti-freedom.


Ha. Anti freedom is losing our ability to pick and choose instead being goaded into a subpar school. All people will should have the ability to pay with surplus gained through what would be tax money.

Once again, quack quack quack, that's a bad idea.

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Postby Hornesia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:26 pm

I have no problem with it as long as children score sufficiently on a standardized test equivalent.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Agorya wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:It's a great way to trap people into generational poverty and rob children of any life opportunities.

Illiteracy wasn't eliminated in most countries until mandatory school systems (church or state based) began to sprout up.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with voucherized education (provided schools are accredited and follow a standard curriculum), fully privatized education with no provision for those unable to pay is disgusting and anti-freedom.


Ha. Anti freedom is losing our ability to pick and choose instead being goaded into a subpar school. All people will should have the ability to pay with surplus gained through what would be tax money.

Anti-freedom is not being able to read, or being consigned to poverty due to a lack of education. Positive freedom, the ability to do things, is just as important as negative freedom, that is, freedom from external restraint.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:28 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Agorya wrote:
Ha. Anti freedom is losing our ability to pick and choose instead being goaded into a subpar school. All people will should have the ability to pay with surplus gained through what would be tax money.

Anti-freedom is not being able to read, or being consigned to poverty due to a lack of education. Positive freedom, the ability to do things, is just as important as negative freedom, that is, freedom from external restraint.


I don't see how homeschool is anti-freedom. It's better than nowadays, where public school teachers have to teach thirty students in a class.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:29 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:Anti-freedom is not being able to read, or being consigned to poverty due to a lack of education. Positive freedom, the ability to do things, is just as important as negative freedom, that is, freedom from external restraint.


I don't see how homeschool is anti-freedom. It's better than nowadays, where public school teachers have to teach thirty students in a class.

Not homeschooling, but his idea of removing all government support for education altogether.
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Postby Hornesia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:29 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:Anti-freedom is not being able to read, or being consigned to poverty due to a lack of education. Positive freedom, the ability to do things, is just as important as negative freedom, that is, freedom from external restraint.


I don't see how homeschool is anti-freedom. It's better than nowadays, where public school teachers have to teach thirty students in a class.

Not to mention that some people hate public schools with a passion for that very reason and can't afford private schools.
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Postby Hushabagain » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Hornesia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I don't see how homeschool is anti-freedom. It's better than nowadays, where public school teachers have to teach thirty students in a class.

Not to mention that some people hate public schools with a passion for that very reason and can't afford private schools.

Also, suppose religious concerns were factored into the reason for homeschooling? In the U.S, we have a right to make ourselves poor, ignorant, and stupid, and we have a homeland to do it in (West Virginia).

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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Homeschooled kids are taught the same things as the kids in the classroom. This just seems dumb.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Hushabagain wrote:
Hornesia wrote:Not to mention that some people hate public schools with a passion for that very reason and can't afford private schools.

Also, suppose religious concerns were factored into the reason for homeschooling? In the U.S, we have a right to make ourselves poor, ignorant, and stupid, and we have a homeland to do it in (West Virginia).


Why the hell are you insulting West Virginians! >:(

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Postby Hushabagain » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:36 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Hushabagain wrote:Also, suppose religious concerns were factored into the reason for homeschooling? In the U.S, we have a right to make ourselves poor, ignorant, and stupid, and we have a homeland to do it in (West Virginia).


Why the hell are you insulting West Virginians! >:(

I never said anything about West Virginians. I said a lot about West Virginia. But in all seriousness West Virginia is a great state (looks at watch, yawns).

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Postby Hornesia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:36 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Hushabagain wrote:Also, suppose religious concerns were factored into the reason for homeschooling? In the U.S, we have a right to make ourselves poor, ignorant, and stupid, and we have a homeland to do it in (West Virginia).


Why the hell are you insulting West Virginians! >:(

They're easy to insult. They had the nerve to leave Virginia. They had to take their virginity west.
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Postby Meryuma » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:47 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Homeschooled kids are taught the same things as the kids in the classroom.


Hopefully, at least.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 pm

No, but there should be regulation so that we don't end up with kids who know nothing.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Homeschooled kids are taught the same things as the kids in the classroom.


Hopefully, at least.

In theory, yes.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:50 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Homeschooled kids are taught the same things as the kids in the classroom.


Hopefully, at least.


You do realize that if they don't teach their kids the material, then social services get called on their asses, right? You can literally lose your kids and go to jail.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:51 pm

Divair wrote:No, but there should be regulation so that we don't end up with kids who know nothing.


There are.

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Postby Hushabagain » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Homeschooled kids are taught the same things as the kids in the classroom.


Hopefully, at least.

Things I learned in the Public Classroom:
1. Teacher is always right.
2. Even when teacher is wrong.
3. Knowing "why" just clutters your brain. So don't bother.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:56 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:I don't think it should be necessarily illegal, but I definitely don't like it. Many homeschooled children have social problems and don't perform as well academically as their counterparts. Many religious people also use it to try to isolate their children from dissenting information, which is wrong.

The right of parents to teach their children how they wish must be balanced with the right of children to a good education and economic opportunity, in any case.

This site says home schoolers outperform their public schooled counterparts.
http://www.home-school.com/news/homesch ... school.php
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Postby Divair » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:57 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Divair wrote:No, but there should be regulation so that we don't end up with kids who know nothing.


There are.

There are what?

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:58 pm

Hushabagain wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Hopefully, at least.

Things I learned in the Public Classroom:
1. Teacher is always right.
2. Even when teacher is wrong.
3. Knowing "why" just clutters your brain. So don't bother.
4. Outstanding performance in the classroom is defined as doing only the work assigned and shutting the Hell up.
5. Even if that means sitting still for 50 minutes.
6. The internet is an instrument of the Devil with no educational value.
7. Poking someone is acceptable.
8. But responding in kind is not.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:59 pm

Divair wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
There are.

There are what?


Regulation.

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Postby Hushabagain » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:00 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Hushabagain wrote:Things I learned in the Public Classroom:
1. Teacher is always right.
2. Even when teacher is wrong.
3. Knowing "why" just clutters your brain. So don't bother.
4. Outstanding performance in the classroom is defined as doing only the work assigned and shutting the Hell up.
5. Even if that means sitting still for 50 minutes.
6. The internet is an instrument of the Devil with no educational value.
7. Poking someone is acceptable.
8. But responding in kind is not.

Wah wah, you're super cool and special. Taxation is theft.


The difference between me and the average student? I learned 8 things in school.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:01 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Divair wrote:There are what?


Regulation.

Depending on the country. Regardless, it's my opinion, not a commentary on the real world.

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