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What causes most School Shootings?

Depression
34
16%
Bullying
63
30%
Mental Illness
39
18%
Gangs
24
11%
Religious Disputes
1
0%
Other
52
24%
 
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Postby Israslovakahzerbajan » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:44 am

Bullies...you can't say they deserve to die for their actions because that's never the answer but you can't really deny they bought it down on themselves and usually the school as a whole pays for their stupidities.
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Postby Derscon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:08 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
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Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:17 am

The obvious cause of school shootings are schools.

Duh.

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Postby Allbeama » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:22 am

Kobrania wrote:
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Kobrania wrote:Easy access to guns and bullying.

The fact that society doesn't get us psychopaths and sociopaths. ;)

Ain't it just?

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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:24 am

Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?

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Postby Allbeama » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:24 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?

The ones who like a personal touch of course.
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Postby Derscon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:31 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?


Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.
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Postby Wiztopia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:34 am

Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?


Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


Not unless you're a bad driver. Being a bad shot wouldn't help either.

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Postby Derscon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:35 am

Wiztopia wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?


Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


Not unless you're a bad driver. Being a bad shot wouldn't help either.


It takes a lot less skill to drive a car at reasonable proficiency than it does to fire a good rifle proficiently.
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Postby Wiztopia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:37 am

Derscon wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?


Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


Not unless you're a bad driver. Being a bad shot wouldn't help either.


It takes a lot less skill to drive a car at reasonable proficiency than it does to fire a good rifle proficiently.


If you're blond that car is going in reverse so any skill wouldn't help much.

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Postby Derscon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:38 am

Wiztopia wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.


Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.

Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.

Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.


If the problem is with humanity itself, then banning a tool will accomplish nothing, since one can kill with any object or collection of objects and a little creativity.

Also, I am inclined to believe that, beyond self-defense, since immediate survival is an issue here, people who would kill another human being do have something wrong with them in the head, be it a serial killer, or a soldier. Granted, there are still accidents, but you have accidents with everything. Personally, though, I trust a criminal more than I trust the ATF. But I repeat myself.


Only it's much more easier to kill one with a gun than with by instance a knife.

Would you run away from a 12 year old kid with a knife? I would when he's carrying a loaded gun.

And how many mass murderers did use knives as their only weapon in schools?


Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


Not unless you're a bad driver. Being a bad shot wouldn't help either.


It takes a lot less skill to drive a car at reasonable proficiency than it does to fire a good rifle proficiently.


If you're blond that car is going in reverse so any skill wouldn't help much.


A valid point, although there's likely to be a hydrant in the way, too. Even in the school hallway. You'll find one.
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Postby Allbeama » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:39 am

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Postby Kinstantia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:40 am

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:The obvious cause of school shootings are schools.

Duh.


Indeed. If all children were home schooled, we could eliminate school shootings altogether. However, I wonder how many family shootings would take place?


The problem here is that the education system is broken. I know when I went to public school, there was a guidence counselor there to assist you with anything you needed. Students who seemed as though they were having issues would be referred to the counselor who would attempt to assist. Nowadays, the school system is in such disarray that they are lucky they have teachers anymore.

I also agree that bullying, mental disorders, and unacceptance are quite the mitigating circumstances as to the actions of the offenders. Sometimes kids can be so cruel that they chastize people simply because they are a little different. Usually that promotes suicide, but in some cases, if the events are frequent enough, it seems to lead to blood baths.

Maybe, instead of just trying to help the people who seem like would be mass murders, we should teach our children to better accept those who do not fit the social norms? That would help one aspect of this situation.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:43 am

Derscon wrote:
Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


You don't need a brain to use a gun.

And how many mass murderers are using cars as their only 'weapon'?

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Postby Derscon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:48 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


You don't need a brain to use a gun.


....

Have you ever fired a gun?

And how many mass murderers are using cars as their only 'weapon'?


Irrelevant.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:59 am

Derscon wrote:
Have you ever fired a gun?


Yes. And it was very easy. Unlock the safety lock, point at the target and pull the trigger.

And how many mass murderers are using cars as their only 'weapon'?

Derscon wrote:Irrelevant.


It's that irrelevant as saying: "And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun."
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Postby Lord Tothe » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:04 am

Unarmed, helpless victims forbidden the right to defend themselves against aggressors.
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Postby JuNii » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:04 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Derscon wrote:
Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


You don't need a brain to use a gun.

And how many mass murderers are using cars as their only 'weapon'?

how many deaths are caused by cars vs guns?
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:07 am

a culture that turns a blind eye to bullying, romatacizing it and calling it leadership, while repressing honest science. and a government run by corporatocrats who are basically mafioso who do the same thing to line their own pockets at everyone else's expense.
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Postby Barringtonia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:09 am

How many school shooters are actually bullied - I've often thought this was somewhat of a myth and, in fact, bullies are more likely to be school shooters than those bullied.
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Postby Kinstantia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:11 am

Barringtonia wrote:How many school shooters are actually bullied - I've often thought this was somewhat of a myth and, in fact, bullies are more likely to be school shooters than those bullied.



Good point, but I think the largest influence is non acceptence. That seems to be quite a theme in and amongst those who cause such terror.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:13 am

JuNii wrote:
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Depends on the gun and depends on the knife, actually, as well as relative skill. A knife wound is more likely to be fatal than a bullet wound.

And actually, it's much easier to kill with a car than a gun.


You don't need a brain to use a gun.

And how many mass murderers are using cars as their only 'weapon'?

how many deaths are caused by cars vs guns?


I think that far more people lost their life due a mass murderer that used a gun compared to a mass murderer that used a car.

Europe is having far fewer shooting accidents as USA. Can you tell me why?

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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:16 am

If cars were so much dangerous as guns, why are armies using guns instead of cars to kill each other?

Stupid armies! Doh! :blink:

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Postby Kinstantia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:22 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:Europe is having far fewer shooting accidents as USA. Can you tell me why?


Yeah, but have you seen how Europeans drive? I'd rather get hit by a bullet than a Paresian driving around a roundabout!
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