Aborting past the 20th week

[The British Stratocracy]

Doesn't matter. I'm not pro-choice because the woman helped make the fetus. I'm pro-choice because it's in the woman and she's the one doing all the work.

Yep, doing all the work to nurse a human being. Then someone came along and said, hey lets just kill it! And abortion was born.

That's an unfair statement

[Genivaria]

Oi we're talking about Abortion, not Capital Punishment.

So? Both involve the killing of human beings.

No they don't. You can't abort a human, that's like smelling sound.

[Divair]

That someone being the woman who is doing the work. Why do you hate giving women choices?

A choice to kill her baby?

Fetus. It's not a baby yet. You do know the definition of a baby, yes?

[Individuality-ness]

Yep, doing all the work to nurse a human being. Then someone came along and said, hey lets just kill it! And abortion was born.

...

...what?

A failure to logic and rhetoric. That's all.

[Genivaria]

That someone being the woman who is doing the work. Why do you hate giving women choices?

A choice to kill her baby?

No, a choice to abort a fetus. Try and keep up.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Oi we're talking about Abortion, not Capital Punishment.

So? Both involve the killing of human beings.

Yup. Not legalizing abortion kills mums.

[Asuiop]

Better to save most human beings than to have all of them die.

Yup, save all the pregnant women at risk of dying, since they're the only human beings that have anything to do with the abortion issue.

Oh goody, now your automatically assuming I support banning abortions when the pregnancy is life-threatening. Really, actually ask me about my position before saying things like this.

[Furious Grandmothers]

That someone being the woman who is doing the work. Why do you hate giving women choices?

A choice to kill her baby?

A baby is already born. You're using the wrong term. Also, you can't kill a fetus. That's word salad, like smelling an echo - a logical impossibility.

[Asuiop]

A choice to kill her baby?

No, a choice to abort a fetus. Try and keep up.

You're just using different terms to make it seem not as bad. It is killing a living human being which happens to be in an early stage of development.

[Divair]

No, a choice to abort a fetus. Try and keep up.

You're just using different terms to make it seem not as bad. It is killing a living human being which happens to be in an early stage of development.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

[Individuality-ness]

Fact: banning abortion will just lead women to the back alley, to wire coat hangers and to septic shock and death.

[Asuiop]

A choice to kill her baby?

A baby is already born. You're using the wrong term. Also, you can't kill a fetus. That's word salad, like smelling an echo - a logical impossibility.

You don't think the fetus is alive?

[Genivaria]

No, a choice to abort a fetus. Try and keep up.

You're just using different terms to make it seem not as bad. It is killing a living human being which happens to be in an early stage of development.

Wrong again. A 'living human being....in an early stage of development.' would be called an infant, or toddler.

[The British Stratocracy]

I understand and respect that. But it's just inconsiderate to cut the male out complete purely because "He doesn't carry it".

But don't get me wrong, I'm staunchly pro-choice

He can voice his opinion as much as he wants. And if the woman and the man are even remotely empathetic, they'll take each other's opinions into consideration. But in the end, if there's a disagreement, it's the woman's opinion which matters, not the man's.

I mostly agree with that, about it ultimately being the woman's final choice. But I feel that in the event that there is a disagreement, and the male feels bitter or sad about it after the abortion, it doesn't make him the bad guy. Its not right to treat them as if their sexists or misogynists.

[Frisivisia]

A baby is already born. You're using the wrong term. Also, you can't kill a fetus. That's word salad, like smelling an echo - a logical impossibility.

You don't think the fetus is alive?

You can't kill a fetus just the same as you can't kill a hand. They were never individual living things to begin with.

[Asuiop]

You're just using different terms to make it seem not as bad. It is killing a living human being which happens to be in an early stage of development.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

Fetus = Living human being

I'm not trying to appeal to emotion, I'm just not using the term fetus because it makes it sound like it isn't a human being.

[Divair]

He can voice his opinion as much as he wants. And if the woman and the man are even remotely empathetic, they'll take each other's opinions into consideration. But in the end, if there's a disagreement, it's the woman's opinion which matters, not the man's.

I mostly agree with that, about it ultimately being the woman's final choice. But I feel that in the event that there is a disagreement, and the male feels bitter or sad about it after the abortion, it doesn't make him the bad guy. Its not right to treat them as if their sexists or misogynists.

I never said he's the bad guy, I'm just saying his opinion, if there is a disagreement, is irrelevant.

[Furious Grandmothers]

As I asked earlier, if at the eight cell stage, each of the 8 cells can eventually develop into a baby on its own, do you count that as 1 life or 8 lives? That's the absurdity of the concept of 'potential life'.

Is that even relevant? The number is greater than 0 in either case.

If a car containing a driver and an unknown number of passengers that could be anything from 0 to 7 goes off a cliff and kills everyone inside, it's absurd to claim that nobody died because you don't know if there were any passengers inside and therefore can't specifically determine the number of deaths. It's at least one.

Well, women spontaneously abort one quarter (IIRC, I kinda forgot the figures, I can go source this if you want to know) of all their fertilized embryos, and I don't see anyone trying to save all these at least one potential lives.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

That someone being the woman who is doing the work. Why do you hate giving women choices?

A choice to kill her baby?

It isn't a baby.

baby

Type: Term

Pronunciation: bā′bē
Definitions:
1. An infant; a newborn child.

Source: http://www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary.php?t=9072

lrn 2 science

[Divair]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

Fetus = Living human being

I'm not trying to appeal to emotion, I'm just not using the term fetus because it makes it sound like it isn't a human being.

It is an appeal to emotion. Even if we accepted your (still unproven) claim, it makes no difference.

[Cashewbutter]

A choice to kill her baby?

Fetus. It's not a baby yet. You do know the definition of a baby, yes?

These are only legal distinctions and have nothing to do with science.

A baby born at 32 weeks gestation is less developed and less likely to survive outside the womb without medical assistance (or even with it, though in most developed countries the odds are decent) than a fetus at 38 weeks gestation.

I'm not anti-choice on a political level. But I do hate crappy arguments based on semantics.

[Asuiop]

You don't think the fetus is alive?

You can't kill a fetus just the same as you can't kill a hand. They were never individual living things to begin with.

I'm guessing you considered those Siamese twins who were fused together as one living thing too?

[Frisivisia]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

Fetus = Living human being

I'm not trying to appeal to emotion, I'm just not using the term fetus because it makes it sound like it isn't a human being.

Because it's not, of course. Fetuses are not babies, they are not individuals, and they are not people.

[Vazdania]

Abortions should be banned in all cases, excluding rape and if the mother is going to die if she gives birth to the human.

Considering the reason you oppose abortion, it's inherently inconsistent to exclude rape as an exception.

That includes consent and the potential consequences thereof.

[Furious Grandmothers]

A baby is already born. You're using the wrong term. Also, you can't kill a fetus. That's word salad, like smelling an echo - a logical impossibility.

You don't think the fetus is alive?

Is apoptosis killing a cell? There's a proper way to use the term 'kill', you know.