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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:15 pm

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Disserbia wrote:One who is against gay marriage does not necessarily support the restriction of rights.

If you don't consider marriage a right. I do.

Incorrect. Just because someone has certain moral values doesn't mean they are intent or support them being expressed in the political arena. Plus, most who do don't see it as restricting rights, which I agree with you it is, but we're not going to fix this issue by accusing people of believing things they don't actually believe.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:16 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:If you don't consider marriage a right. I do.

Incorrect. Just because someone has certain moral values doesn't mean they are intent or support them being expressed in the political arena. Plus, most who do don't see it as restricting rights, which I agree with you it is, but we're not going to fix this issue by accusing people of believing things they don't actually believe.

Chick-fil-A doesn't support these beliefs in a political arena? Really?

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:17 pm

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Disserbia wrote:Because their morality dictates that is the right thing to do. Also not everyone who is against gay marriage thinks it's even their business to get involved in the political side. It's not because they think gay people are less of a person. These stupid assumptions prevent open dialog and just make this issue a worse one.

There is no need for an open dialog in this case. One side is right, the other is wrong. There is no need to "compromise" with people who oppose equal rights.

"There is no need to understand the other side because I think I'm right and by being right there is no problem anymore." No, that's just dumb. The issue is still here and being close-minded about other people's views is just going to make it worse, because if you refuse to understand the counter argument it makes your position weaker.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:17 pm

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Disserbia wrote:Incorrect. Just because someone has certain moral values doesn't mean they are intent or support them being expressed in the political arena. Plus, most who do don't see it as restricting rights, which I agree with you it is, but we're not going to fix this issue by accusing people of believing things they don't actually believe.

Chick-fil-A doesn't support these beliefs in a political arena? Really?

Is Chick-fil-a everyone who is opposed to gay marriage?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:There is no need for an open dialog in this case. One side is right, the other is wrong. There is no need to "compromise" with people who oppose equal rights.

"There is no need to understand the other side because I think I'm right and by being right there is no problem anymore." No, that's just dumb. The issue is still here and being close-minded about other people's views is just going to make it worse, because if you refuse to understand the counter argument it makes your position weaker.

Replace "gay" with "black".

Do you still see a need to "compromise" with the other side?
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:Chick-fil-A doesn't support these beliefs in a political arena? Really?

Is Chick-fil-a everyone who is opposed to gay marriage?

When was I ever not discussing Chick-fil-A?

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Postby Emmadog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

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Emmadog wrote:So when google supports gay marriage it is the best thing ever,


Who's saying its the best thing ever?

Emmadog wrote:yet when chick fil a comes out against gay marriage it's homophobia and Dan Cathy is a bigot.


Definitionally, yes, it is. Being intolerant of someone without sound reasoning is bigotry.

Emmadog wrote:Two companies give there opinions on an issue. Why when you guys agree is it okay but when you disagree it's the end of the world?


Did anyone try to stop Chick-Fil-A from presenting their opinion?

Emmadog wrote:Is not one of the morals the gay movement is trying to elaborate is that we should accept everyone?


Again, who tried to stop Chick-Fil-A?

Emmadog wrote:These posts show must of the people here are no better than the " homophobic bigots" YouTube is attempting to change the hearts of. Just saying.


You seem to have confused intolerance with disagreement. No one stopped Chick-Fil-A from making the statement, nor said that the company should not take a political stance. Instead, people reacted to the stance itself, as is within their rights. You are completely within your right to disagree with Google, and boycott Google, as many people did Chick-Fil-A. But don't confuse bigotry with disagreement.


I am saying everyone should support the right for companies to express their opinions with out people demonizing a large portion of America. Verizon gives money to Democrats and AT&T Republicans, but that does not change my opinion on either company. You should not call Dan Cathy a bigot just because he does not support gay marriage. It is popular belief amung conservatives that marriage is not a right and gay people are NOT born that way, so they are expressing their opinions. Just as google is supporting the gays because they probably think it is a civil right. We should be able to support companies and not call names regardless of our personal opinions. I will still read books written by George Orwell even though he was a socialist. Let us grow up and accept everyone, even conservatives, without abandoning our opinions morals, and values.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Ok, so it's just a bunch of people coming out of the closet. This is important why?

...Because is a celebration of the win for the right to marry who one pleases. What better day to do it than today?

How about they just get on with there lives. They can celebrate by getting married or something.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Disserbia wrote:"There is no need to understand the other side because I think I'm right and by being right there is no problem anymore." No, that's just dumb. The issue is still here and being close-minded about other people's views is just going to make it worse, because if you refuse to understand the counter argument it makes your position weaker.

Replace "gay" with "black".

Do you still see a need to "compromise" with the other side?

I never said we needed to compromise, I said we need to understand their actual argument, not make a strawman that allows us to attack them from an incorrect angle.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:18 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:There is no need for an open dialog in this case. One side is right, the other is wrong. There is no need to "compromise" with people who oppose equal rights.

"There is no need to understand the other side because I think I'm right and by being right there is no problem anymore." No, that's just dumb. The issue is still here and being close-minded about other people's views is just going to make it worse, because if you refuse to understand the counter argument it makes your position weaker.

You can understand a person's views without ever entering into dialogue.

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:20 pm

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Disserbia wrote:Is Chick-fil-a everyone who is opposed to gay marriage?

When was I ever not discussing Chick-fil-A?

You said supporting restricting gay marriage is stupporting the restriction of rights, not everyone who is opposed to gay marriage supports restricting people's rights. Don't make generalizations.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:20 pm

Emmadog wrote:[..] It is popular belief amung conservatives that marriage is not a right and gay people are NOT born that way, so they are expressing their opinions. [...]


What's the point in humouring people who are demonstrably wrong?
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:21 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Disserbia wrote:"There is no need to understand the other side because I think I'm right and by being right there is no problem anymore." No, that's just dumb. The issue is still here and being close-minded about other people's views is just going to make it worse, because if you refuse to understand the counter argument it makes your position weaker.

You can understand a person's views without ever entering into dialogue.

Not if you're not trying to.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:21 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:When was I ever not discussing Chick-fil-A?

You said supporting restricting gay marriage is stupporting the restriction of rights, not everyone who is opposed to gay marriage supports restricting people's rights. Don't make generalizations.

I was discussing Chick-fil-A at all times. Or were you intentionally trying to get me off-topic from the poster I was replying to?

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:22 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:You said supporting restricting gay marriage is stupporting the restriction of rights, not everyone who is opposed to gay marriage supports restricting people's rights. Don't make generalizations.

I was discussing Chick-fil-A at all times. Or were you intentionally trying to get me off-topic from the poster I was replying to?

You responded to me not by specifying, but with a generalization. Also the owner of a company expressing his opinion and living by his own morals is just that.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:22 pm

I hope YouTube could also do something about the homophobic comments in the long term. ;)

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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:22 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You can understand a person's views without ever entering into dialogue.

Not if you're not trying to.

We understand the reasons of the opposition. We have analyzed them, and as it stands, they have coming up lacking. The only option at this point is the eradication of that way of thinking.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:23 pm

Disserbia wrote:You responded to me not by specifying, but with a generalization. Also the owner of a company expressing his opinion and living by his own morals is just that.

Except Chick-fil-A is not a case of somebody simply believing and not acting.

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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:23 pm

It is disgusting, and shows how villainous Youtube, Google, and other mega-corporations can be. It is a tragic shame that Youtube holds a monopoly over video media, millions of people are being forced to indirectly consent to immorality.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Not if you're not trying to.

We understand the reasons of the opposition. We have analyzed them, and as it stands, they have coming up lacking. The only option at this point is the eradication of that way of thinking.

Is that why RD said they believe that gay people are "inferior"...that's a mischaracterization of the other side's argument, and it makes us look weak when we use it.
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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I hope YouTube could also do something about the homophobic comments in the long term. ;)

Probably, they are the sort that could care less about free speech.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Nidaria wrote:It is disgusting, and shows how villainous Youtube, Google, and other mega-corporations can be. It is a tragic shame that Youtube holds a monopoly over video media, millions of people are being forced to indirectly consent to immorality.

Youtube doesn't have a monopoly. Grow up.

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Nidaria wrote:It is disgusting, and shows how villainous Youtube, Google, and other mega-corporations can be. It is a tragic shame that Youtube holds a monopoly over video media, millions of people are being forced to indirectly consent to immorality.

You're funny, Nidey.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:25 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:You responded to me not by specifying, but with a generalization. Also the owner of a company expressing his opinion and living by his own morals is just that.

Except Chick-fil-A is not a case of somebody simply believing and not acting.

Chick-fil-a is not the only case in America either, and you responded with a generalization.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:25 pm

Disserbia wrote:Chick-fil-a is not the only case in America either, and you responded with a generalization.

Really? Comparing YouTube to Chick-fil-A is a generalization?

Well, shit.

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