Mormons = Christians?

[Benuty]

Ignoring the Copts and the Armenians, I see.
And the rather large amount of proven forgeries in the documents stating the predominance of the Church of Rome over the other Apostolic churches.

The Copts are former schismatics but are now reconciled Catholic since they are sorry for their error of breaking away from the Pepe. And in the recent Papal elections, the Coptic Patriarch has been given a vote over the selection of the next Pope the same as our faithful Cardinals. We also thank our loyal catholic Brothers; the Patriarch of the Church Syro-Malabar Church of India and the Patriarch of Chalcedon for never once breaking away from the Catholic Church ever since the first council of Nicea.

The heretical different of religious opinion Anglicans and Protestants however are a different matter.

Fixed.

[Risottia]

Mormons, Christians, there is no distinction. All infidels shall be crushed by His almighty fist!

I thought we were people of the book boob? Hehehe.

Fixed for coherence with T.I.R.o.A.B.'s name.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Yes. Unless you're Catholic, in which case I think the position is no.

My position on it. The Catholic one. ^

I´m not sure what other Protestant denominations feel about Mormonism though. I´d say, from what I know, that most Protestants would agree that the Bible (no matter which christian version of it) is the one and final revelation of the Word of God.
Now, this treasure hunter fellow Joseph Smith supposedly translates a whole new wordly "revelation" with his own magic goggles (!), from some alleged golden plates only he saw ?
And that a lost hebrew tribe sailed half world to go to America ? Where´s the archeological evidence of that ?
I know...myths are myths, and that to start a new christian "church" all you need is to be a Protestant nut with a Bible, but give me a break...

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

Just because they broke away from the Pope, doesn't mean they aren't Christians.

And by the way, the current Papacy recognizes Armenians, Copts, Orthodoxes, pre-Luther and post-Luther Protestants, etc as Christians.
Basically, iirc, all confessions following the Nicene creed are recognised by the Catholic Church as fellow Christians.

But mr.Christo et Ecclesiae is really sounding as if he thought he knew better than his Pope.

you think I'm a Catholic? The pope to me is nothing more than a human! No silly I'm a Methodist. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

I thought we were people of the book boob? Hehehe.

Fixed for coherence with T.I.R.o.A.B.'s name.

oh. Thankssssssss.

[Risottia]

The Copts are former schismatics but are now reconciled Catholics since they are sorry for their error of breaking away from the Pope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Ort ... Alexandria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_of_th ... Alexandria

I'm sure Pope Theodoros II, successor of St.Mark, considers himself a follower and subordinate to Pope Francis, successor of St.Peter.

Or maybe, then again, NOT.
And no, Theodoros II didn't vote in the Roman Conclave.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And by the way, the current Papacy recognizes Armenians, Copts, Orthodoxes, pre-Luther and post-Luther Protestants, etc as Christians.
Basically, iirc, all confessions following the Nicene creed are recognised by the Catholic Church as fellow Christians.

But mr.Christo et Ecclesiae is really sounding as if he thought he knew better than his Pope.

you think I'm a Catholic? The pope to me is nothing more than a human! No silly I'm a Methodist. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine.

Which surprises me considering you are defending Messianic Jews and Christian Torah fans by saying they are Jews/Christians.

I would have thought you had stricter standards than that being a protestant.

[Cameroi]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

[The Islands of Metanoia]

Yes. Unless you're Catholic, in which case I think the position is no.

My position on it. The Catholic one. ^

I´m not sure what other Protestant denominations feel about Mormonism though. I´d say, from what I know, that most Protestants would agree that the Bible (no matter which christian version of it) is the one and final revelation of the Word of God.
Now, this treasure hunter fellow Joseph Smith supposedly translates a whole new wordly "revelation" with his own magic goggles (!), from some alleged golden plates only he saw ?
And that a lost hebrew tribe sailed half world to go to America ? Where´s the archeological evidence of that ?
I know...myths are myths, and that to start a new christian "church" all you need is to be a Protestant nut with a Bible, but give me a break...

I don't get why people would even gravitate towards that when there's Ecclesiam Catholicam which actually wrote the Bible under Saint Clement of Alexandria, Egypt. And wrote treaties on it such as the City of God by Saint Augustine of Carthage or make wonderful philosophical-mystical books about it like Saint Theresa of Avila, Spain.

Pax Tecum.
For the Virgin and for God.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

So, this had been in my mind for a while: Are Mormans Christians?

I don't think so, mainly because of this: http://carm.org/comparison-between-chri ... n-doctrine and things similar.

but I'm curious to see what you think.

so go ahead.

Mormons are Christians, but they are Christians following an old creed forgotten by the church: the Arian creed.

You see, historically there are two parts to Christianity: the Arian doctrine, made by a man called Arius, resembles closely what these people say mormons believe (that the father, son, and holy spirit are three separate entities). However, mainstream Christianity believes in the Nicene creed (which is the father, son, and holy ghost being one and the same, just different aspects of God).

Thus, are mormons Christians? Yes, because they believe in the divinity of Jesus. Do they fall within the Nicene creed? No, therefore they are not exactly Christians, but more into the camp of where Jehova's Witnesses would fall: as a fringe party within Christianity.

The Aryan Creed isn't forgotten, it was voted heretic at the Council of Nicaea.

Their following of that path means that they don't qualify as Christians, or at least not in the more Catholic-centric perspective.

[Risottia]

And by the way, the current Papacy recognizes Armenians, Copts, Orthodoxes, pre-Luther and post-Luther Protestants, etc as Christians.
Basically, iirc, all confessions following the Nicene creed are recognised by the Catholic Church as fellow Christians.

But mr.Christo et Ecclesiae is really sounding as if he thought he knew better than his Pope.

you think I'm a Catholic? The pope to me is nothing more than a human! No silly I'm a Methodist. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine.

Sorry my mistake. I mixed you with Islands of Metanoia there, I guess. Sorry again, I proceed to edit accordingly.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

you think I'm a Catholic? The pope to me is nothing more than a human! No silly I'm a Methodist. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine.

Which surprises me considering you are defending Messianic Jews and Christian Torah fans by saying they are Jews/Christians.

I would have thought you had stricter standards than that being a protestant.

Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Plus Christianity was first taught to the Jews. As long as they believe that Jesus is their only savior than they shall be saved.

I have pretty high standards though.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

They are what may be categorized as "Christians but not really" due to their beliefs.

And I don't personally care. I have a good friend who is a Mormon and I could give a rat's ass about what she believes, however when these discussions come along I have to get out my history books and terminology and say "they are not Christian, or at least they don't fall under Orthodox Christianity, which makes them a Radical sect and a rather heretical one".

[Constaniana]

Where have I said Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah? That's something we accept fully. And last I checked, Jesus was the son of God. How is he his own dad?

I guess omnipotence helped a bit there.

I suppose He could if he wanted, but that seems a bit too bizarre. Sometimes I think God might do certain things to mess with us, but that's taking it a bit far.

[The Islands of Metanoia]

The Copts are former schismatics but are now reconciled Catholics since they are sorry for their error of breaking away from the Pope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Ort ... Alexandria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_of_th ... Alexandria

I'm sure Pope Theodoros II, successor of St.Mark, considers himself a follower and subordinate to Pope Francis, successor of St.Peter.

Or maybe, then again, NOT.
And no, Theodoros II didn't vote in the Roman Conclave.

I think so and even if he did not. The Indian Church's Patriarch, successor to Saint Thomas the Apostle and the other loyal Orthodox Churches in communion with the Pope would participate in the GLOBAL, Catholic Church. While his break-away Coptic Church in Egypt will simply rot like the other break-away groups. Unless, they repent and return to Rome like the other loyal Patriarchates.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Mormons are Christians, but they are Christians following an old creed forgotten by the church: the Arian creed.

You see, historically there are two parts to Christianity: the Arian doctrine, made by a man called Arius, resembles closely what these people say mormons believe (that the father, son, and holy spirit are three separate entities). However, mainstream Christianity believes in the Nicene creed (which is the father, son, and holy ghost being one and the same, just different aspects of God).

Thus, are mormons Christians? Yes, because they believe in the divinity of Jesus. Do they fall within the Nicene creed? No, therefore they are not exactly Christians, but more into the camp of where Jehova's Witnesses would fall: as a fringe party within Christianity.

The Aryan Creed isn't forgotten, it was voted heretic at the Council of Nicaea.

Their following of that path means that they don't qualify as Christians, or at least not in the more Catholic-centric perspective.

That's what I meant by "forgotten" as most people can hardly tell with any degree of accuracy that this entire debate of the Godhead happened at least 1500 years ago and that there was a crisis about it.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

you think I'm a Catholic? The pope to me is nothing more than a human! No silly I'm a Methodist. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine.

Sorry my mistake. I mixed you with Islands of Metanoia there, I guess. Sorry again, I proceed to edit accordingly.

its cool.

[Regnum Dominae]

They believe in Jesus, so yes.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

NSG cares. We care about anything and everything, provided that it doesn't actually matter.

[Cameroi]

to a non-christian such as myself, anything that wants to call itself christian is as christian as anything else that does.

coptics, mormons, protestants, catholics, unitarians, they all belong to the catigory called "christian" just the same, one as another.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

they are Mormons.. A religion of its own.
and that's a pretty big group of people

[Jungblutia]

They're Christians in the same way that Christians are Jews and Ahmadiyyas are Muslims.

basically they are christians in as much as there isn't any other major religion they're claiming to be a sect of. they may be one of the more unusual sects of christianity. in a sense they're almost claiming to be what islam is. but they're not claiming to be islamists, or buddhists, or baha'is. as far as i'm concerned, anything that wants to call themselves a part of christianity is welcome to. i'm not and don't wish to be.

i believe there may well be a god or gods, but whatever they are, is well and thoroughly beyond human knowledge, and religions pretending to know, what religions like christianity pretend to, arte rolling dice and imagining things, that could share random elements with truth, but which this can never be known.

so i don't really care if christians other then mormons consider mormons christions, there are protestsnats who don't consider catholics christians and catholics and others who don't considter the mains stream of protestants and so on. this is just more of the same factionalism that plagues christianity anyway. just another damd sect of the same ignorant self imposed blindness that calls itself chrstianity.

You can claim to anything. Just because you claim doesn't mean you are. I can claim I'm a millionaire does that mean I am one.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

to a non-christian such as myself, anything that wants to call itself christian is as christian as anything else that does.

coptics, mormons, protestants, catholics, unitarians, they all belong to the catigory called "christian" just the same, one as another.

Your thought is as much as saying "oh there are motor screws and these are household screws, but they are all screws" and you try and put a wall mount screw into a motor because what the hell, they are all screws.

I'm a Christian, but I don't care as much about the difference as much as how to categorize them. I like categorization so yes

[Jungblutia]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

Why do you just barge in and say a bunch of stuff saying you hate this forum, why? Your just wasting your time being hypocritical.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

who the hell, other then mormons themselves, and non-mormon christians, gives a flying rats ass, wether mormons are christians or not?
and if they're not, then what the hell else ARE they?

NSG cares. We care about anything and everything, provided that it doesn't actually matter.

that too.