Mormons = Christians?

[Constaniana]

No, Mormons don't believe in the concept of the Holy Trinity. God, also called as Heavenly Father, is a separate being from Jesus, who is separate from the Holy Ghost. Like you said, this tends to be the reason people don't consider us Christian.

so is Jesus equal to the Father?

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

so is Jesus equal to the Father?

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

Which makes Mormonism pretty much close to Arianism.

[Steve Smith]

Yeah, that sums it up. Doesn't matter what customs or strange beliefs they may have. If Jesus is your savior, you're a Christian. All the infighting between different sects of Christianity is pretty laughable, considering what the endgame is supposed to be.

^this. Also, did anyone get an ad for the Mormons on the bottom of their page?

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

They're Christians in the same way that Christians are Jews and Ahmadiyyas are Muslims.

Why are they Christians though?

If you are going to say "because they believe in Jesus" yes, they are Christians, but if you look at the fundamental doctrine, which is the cosubstantiality of Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost then they are not, or at least not a Christian proper, but more Arian Christians, which is heretical to Christian doctrine and orthodoxy.

And Christians are not Jews because we do not follow The Law. We are not supposed to since we are absolved from it. And no, you cannot be a Jew if you believe Jesus is your savior as much as you cannot be a Christian if you follow The Law.

that last part isn't true. You can be a Messianic Jew, and if you follow the law you can still be a Christian.

[Risottia]

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

Which makes Mormonism pretty much close to Arianism.

Ninja'd you.

Basically, Mormons are a sort of American Arian revival.
Some 1500 years late, but whatevs.

[The Islands of Metanoia]

Roman Catholicism with it's Latin Chants, Popes and Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back to Saint Peter, is thus the original Christianity. The rest are break-away branches and since Mormonism is one among the bazillion break-away branches that have rebelled against the Pope, successor Peter and the Apostles. They are Christians only in name, but not true Christians in nature, something that is exclusively the prerogative of the Catholic Church.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

so is Jesus equal to the Father?

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

then they aren't Christians. Jesus=God. That is what Christianity is based entirely off of. Jesus is the Messiah.

[Cameroi]

They're Christians in the same way that Christians are Jews and Ahmadiyyas are Muslims.

basically they are christians in as much as there isn't any other major religion they're claiming to be a sect of. they may be one of the more unusual sects of christianity. in a sense they're almost claiming to be what islam is. but they're not claiming to be islamists, or buddhists, or baha'is. as far as i'm concerned, anything that wants to call themselves a part of christianity is welcome to. i'm not and don't wish to be.

i believe there may well be a god or gods, but whatever they are, is well and thoroughly beyond human knowledge, and religions pretending to know, what religions like christianity pretend to, arte rolling dice and imagining things, that could share random elements with truth, but which this can never be known.

so i don't really care if christians other then mormons consider mormons christions, there are protestsnats who don't consider catholics christians and catholics and others who don't considter the mains stream of protestants and so on. this is just more of the same factionalism that plagues christianity anyway. just another damd sect of the same ignorant self imposed blindness that calls itself chrstianity.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

Roman Catholicism with it's Latin Chants, Popes and Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back to Saint Peter, is thus the original Christianity. The rest are break-away branches and since Mormonism is one among the bazillion break-away branches that have rebelled against the Pope, successor Peter and the Apostles. They are Christians only in name, but not true Christians in nature, something that is exclusively the prerogative of the Catholic Church.

no. Just no.

[Jungblutia]

The only reason I say they are not is, they don't believe you have to be saved through Jesus Christ. They also added to the bible after the bible said not to. If they didn't believe the first thing, then they're not Mormons.

[Fireye]

They worship the same god, they believe Jesus was god/son of god. So, yeah, Christian.

No, unless I'm mistaken, they worship a man who became the new God, in a long series of Gods.... and that they are all god's biological children....

You are very mistaken.

[Valluto]

I suppose, in a technical sense, yes. However, most Mormons, though they claim to be Christian, have radically different views from say, Episcopals. Other Christians also see them as a different sect, so in another sense, no.

Regardless, it's pretty irrelevant considering we both believe in Jesus and Redemption and all that good stuff.

[Risottia]

Roman Catholicism with it's Latin Chants, Popes and Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back to Saint Peter, is thus the original Christianity. The rest are break-away branches and since Mormonism is one among the bazillion break-away branches that have rebelled against the Pope, successor Peter and the Apostles. They are Christians only in name, but not true Christians in nature, something that is exclusively the prerogative of the Catholic Church.

Ignoring the Copts and the Armenians, I see.
And the rather large amount of proven forgeries in the documents stating the predominance of the Church of Rome over the other Apostolic churches.

[Constaniana]

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

then they aren't Christians. Jesus=God. That is what Christianity is based entirely off of. Jesus is the Messiah.

Where have I said Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah? That's something we accept fully. And last I checked, Jesus was the son of God. How is he his own dad?

[The Islands of Metanoia]

Well, Jesus is already exalted, so he exists in a similar state to the Father, but he's still subordinate to him.

Which makes Mormonism pretty much close to Arianism.

Arianism is heretical sect denounced by Saint Augustine and also denounced by the First Council of Nicaea who's representatives: the Archbishoprics of Carthage, Egypt, Syria, Chalcedon, Jerusalem, Rome and Greece, in union with the Pope properly gave him a verdict of "error".

[Risottia]

then they aren't Christians. Jesus=God. That is what Christianity is based entirely off of. Jesus is the Messiah.

Where have I said Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah? That's something we accept fully. And last I checked, Jesus was the son of God. How is he his own dad?

I guess omnipotence helped a bit there.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

No, unless I'm mistaken, they worship a man who became the new God, in a long series of Gods.... and that they are all god's biological children....

You are very mistaken.

care to explain? I thought he was pretty close.

[Waideland]

No, unless I'm mistaken, they worship a man who became the new God, in a long series of Gods.... and that they are all god's biological children....

Not really no. They identify him as part of the Godhead, even though God the Father is the only being they regard as the God. We are all supposed to be literal children of God the father, with Jesus being the first and most righteous. Jesus was supposed to have become exalted, as every Mormon is supposedly capable of being, which would make him a god of sorts, though Mormonism stresses a difference between the divinity reaches through exaltation and the all-powerful figure of God. You will have power, but will always be subservient.

At least that is the best understanding I have been able to gather from my limited research of it.

You could actually translate the Bible this way, but the kings and popes nipped that in the bud real quick.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why are they Christians though?

If you are going to say "because they believe in Jesus" yes, they are Christians, but if you look at the fundamental doctrine, which is the cosubstantiality of Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost then they are not, or at least not a Christian proper, but more Arian Christians, which is heretical to Christian doctrine and orthodoxy.

And Christians are not Jews because we do not follow The Law. We are not supposed to since we are absolved from it. And no, you cannot be a Jew if you believe Jesus is your savior as much as you cannot be a Christian if you follow The Law.

that last part isn't true. You can be a Messianic Jew, and if you follow the law you can still be a Christian.

Messianic Jews are not Jews proper as much as Christians who follow the law are not Christian proper.

The basic problem, once you get out of the co-substantiality of the Godhead is how much of what must you follow. Christianity's most prolific writer, St. Paul, did say that we Christians do not have to follow the law, but rather be good and love one another and have faith that Jesus Christ is our personal savior. Judaism doesn't believe this and is not supposed to, therefore Messianic Jews may be better categorized as Fringe Christians as well.

[Risottia]

Mormons, Christians, there is no distinction. All infidels shall be crushed by His almighty fist!

"The Islamic Republic of Allah Boobs"...

Less bombs, more boobs. I approve of it.
I guess the fisting and the crushing is going to be of the kinky kind.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

Mormons, Christians, there is no distinction. All infidels shall be crushed by His almighty fist!

I thought we were people of the book? Hehehe.

[Jungblutia]

Roman Catholicism with it's Latin Chants, Popes and Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back to Saint Peter, is thus the original Christianity. The rest are break-away branches and since Mormonism is one among the bazillion break-away branches that have rebelled against the Pope, successor Peter and the Apostles. They are Christians only in name, but not true Christians in nature, something that is exclusively the prerogative of the Catholic Church.

no. Just no.

Just because they broke away from the Pope, doesn't mean they aren't Christians. At the time of like Luther, the Catholic Church was abusing it's power and was very corrupt, 95 theses, one of those had to be a good complaint.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which makes Mormonism pretty much close to Arianism.

Arianism is heretical sect denounced by Saint Augustine and also denounced by the First Council of Nicaea who's representatives: the Archbishoprics of Carthage, Egypt, Syria, Chalcedon, Jerusalem, Rome and Greece, in union with the Pope properly gave him a verdict of "error".

I know this from my Roman Empire class

However, what I am saying is that Mormonism falls under this doctrine, therefore making it heretical in nature as to what is considered Christianity, which is based upon the Council of Nicaea's resolutions.

[Risottia]

no. Just no.

Just because they broke away from the Pope, doesn't mean they aren't Christians.

And by the way, the current Papacy recognizes Armenians, Copts, Orthodoxes, pre-Luther and post-Luther Protestants, etc as Christians.
Basically, iirc, all confessions following the Nicene creed are recognised by the Catholic Church as fellow Christians.

But mr.Metanoia is really sounding as if he thought he knew better than his Pope.

[The Islands of Metanoia]

Roman Catholicism with it's Latin Chants, Popes and Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back to Saint Peter, is thus the original Christianity. The rest are break-away branches and since Mormonism is one among the bazillion break-away branches that have rebelled against the Pope, successor Peter and the Apostles. They are Christians only in name, but not true Christians in nature, something that is exclusively the prerogative of the Catholic Church.

Ignoring the Copts and the Armenians, I see.
And the rather large amount of proven forgeries in the documents stating the predominance of the Church of Rome over the other Apostolic churches.

The Copts are former schismatics but are now reconciled Catholics since they are sorry for their error of breaking away from the Pope. And in the recent Papal elections, the Coptic Patriarch has been given a vote over the selection of the next Pope the same as our faithful Cardinals. We also thank our loyal catholic Brothers; the Patriarch of the Syro-Malabar Church of India and the Patriarch of the Church of Chalcedon for never once breaking away from the Catholic Church ever since the first council of Nicea.

The heretical Anglicans and Protestants however are a different matter.
Anglicans have Apostolic succession through the line of Bishops back when England was still Catholic but Protestants are at the very edge.