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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
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34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
8%
No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
91
8%
 
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu May 09, 2013 9:10 pm

Oceasia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Why?

I am not a scientist, but here it is:
What materials made atom?
What materials made the materials of atom?
What materials made the materials made the materials of atom?
And it goes on forever. There is no way science can answer that in a near time.

We can't just fill gaps in scientific thought with "God". We don't know some things. That doesn't mean we shove God into them.
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Postby The Islands of Equality » Thu May 09, 2013 9:10 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:God exists. The proof is everywhere and everything.

There are scale replicas of all of the chickens in the world floating inside of Uranus. The proof is everywhere and everything.


I like to think of religion as circular logic. For example in Christianity, "why is there a God?" Because it says so in the bible." "Why is the bible right? Because God said so."

Religion often contradicts itself.
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Postby Reigna » Thu May 09, 2013 9:10 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Islands of Equality wrote:This is going to be fun.

I'm not the only one who is pathologically obsessed with debating religion?


Not at all, friend :)

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Postby Greater Pokarnia » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Elaborate.

Every single thing, is a testimony to the existence of G-d.


"Every single thing, is a testament to the chainsaw-juggling red walrus in the Andromeda galaxy."

Until you actually explain yourself this is the intellectual equivalent of what you're saying. Explain how everything is a testament to god.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 pm

Stolen Droplets wrote:Yes god Exists, I swear if all this RELIGION "Bull Shit" is fake...someones got a problem. I tell yah what...to last for more than 2 millennia...how can u say that? What do u think its some stupid conspiracy cooked by Alex Jones? Must be one helluva conspiracy if it is BS, you know to survive this long...

God exists, sure I don't go to church, read the bible a lot, and I'm Catholic...but hey i still know there has to be a god.

Argumentum ad populum. Logical fallacy.
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Postby Cervas » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 pm

Once they can prove that god exists with science then I shall believe, other wise no. Also for the burden of proof arguers it falls on religion because the default position is a negative (no) and once a claim is made and accurately proved the position moves to a positive (yes). For those who don't know this concept is also known as learning, we don't immediately know everything so we can't start at the positive.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Glorious!

So you are a Uranus Chicken believer too?

clearly, I mean look the evidence is everywhere. You said so yourself and you're a reliable source.
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Postby The Sector Union » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 pm

I believe there is a god, but not one you are to fear, and tells you what you can or cannot do. But a universal engineer that is bound to create anything within the universe. Lifeforms, solar systems. Everything is scientific yes, as it's a magnificent creation in our physical existence.

But you could ask, where do you find this god then? From my own beliefs, I believe there is a realm that does not exist in time and space where the great mind or mind's/or forces exist in that make the universe run like clockwork.

Life is more creative and complex to be made at random. Evolution is such a calculated and unique process. Our own instincts, how did we get them like that? The way we and other living things react to stimuli is far amazing that it just couldn't be random. (Again my beliefs)

There you go. I am not looking for an argument, but this is my rational belief in a deity. I don't expect it to be proven as we probably won't be able to prove what's behind the curtains of the universe, I mean why does it exist and where it comes from and what was before it will make your head hurt. I don't think we're supposed to know.
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Postby The Islands of Equality » Thu May 09, 2013 9:12 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Stolen Droplets wrote:Yes god Exists, I swear if all this RELIGION "Bull Shit" is fake...someones got a problem. I tell yah what...to last for more than 2 millennia...how can u say that? What do u think its some stupid conspiracy cooked by Alex Jones? Must be one helluva conspiracy if it is BS, you know to survive this long...

God exists, sure I don't go to church, read the bible a lot, and I'm Catholic...but hey i still know there has to be a god.

Argumentum ad populum. Logical fallacy.
People also used to think that the earth was flat.


Some people still do http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
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Postby Gandoor » Thu May 09, 2013 9:12 pm

Stolen Droplets wrote:Yes god Exists, I swear if all this RELIGION "Bull Shit" is fake...someones got a problem. I tell yah what...to last for more than 2 millennia...how can u say that? What do u think its some stupid conspiracy cooked by Alex Jones? Must be one helluva conspiracy if it is BS, you know to survive this long...

God exists, sure I don't go to church, read the bible a lot, and I'm Catholic...but hey i still know there has to be a god.

Just because people believe in it means jackshit.

If everyone in the world started to believe in wizards because of Harry Potter and it went on for several thousand years, that doesn't suddenly make magic and wizard real.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu May 09, 2013 9:12 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:There are scale replicas of all of the chickens in the world floating inside of Uranus. The proof is everywhere and everything.

Glorious!

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Postby Democratic Koyro » Thu May 09, 2013 9:13 pm

It's highly unlikely. I'd go as far as saying virtually impossible for the judaeo-christian-islamic God to exist.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu May 09, 2013 9:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:So you are a Uranus Chicken believer too?

clearly, I mean look the evidence is everywhere. You said so yourself and you're a reliable source.

Absolutely. I can testify. I was spoken to, in the middle of the night by the Grand Poobah of the Uranus Chickens. They told me their story and that there was a bucket of KFC hidden in the forest. I was to eat the divine chicken in praise of the chickens and their delicious omnipotence, and then read the inscription on the bottom. It was written in an unintelligible language that only I know because the Chickens told me.
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Postby Mkuki » Thu May 09, 2013 9:13 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:If somebody can scientifically prove that there's a deity, then I'll believe, and not a moment sooner.

Indeed, but I'll require plenty of concurrent opinions among the scientific community before I believe.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 9:13 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Glorious!

I think what you really mean is FABULOUS.

its not really fabulous.....had they been wearing makeup or dresses or something it would have been fabs.
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Postby Shallowell » Thu May 09, 2013 9:13 pm

NVADF wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Every single thing, is a testimony to the existence of G-d.

Are you saying that everything could not exist without a creator? Because if so, then what created god?

IMHO, that's where orthodox logic leaves off and God logic comes in. Because it's God (an inherently supernatural being, who we cannot fully understand), he can "just exist." Because it's not standard science, it needs no standard scientific explanation.
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Postby Greater Pokarnia » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

The Sector Union wrote:I believe there is a god, but not one you are to fear, and tells you what you can or cannot do. But a universal engineer that is bound to create anything within the universe. Lifeforms, solar systems. Everything is scientific yes, as it's a magnificent creation in our physical existence.

But you could ask, where do you find this god then? From my own beliefs, I believe there is a realm that does not exist in time and space where the great mind or mind's/or forces exist in that make the universe run like clockwork.

Life is more creative and complex to be made at random. Evolution is such a calculated and unique process. Our own instincts, how did we get them like that? The way we and other living things react to stimuli is far amazing that it just couldn't be random. (Again my beliefs)

There you go. I am not looking for an argument, but this is my rational belief in a deity.


It's not "rational belief". Complexity doesn't equate to intelligent design. You can keep believing in a deity but the reasons you provided in your post aren't enough to declare that belief rational.
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Postby Oceasia » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:It's highly unlikely. I'd go as far as saying virtually impossible for the judaeo-christian-islamic God to exist.

It's basically the same God they're worshiping, i think. (Muslim's perspective)
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:It's highly unlikely. I'd go as far as saying virtually impossible for the judaeo-christian-islamic God to exist.

If it does (which it doesn't), it has proven itself to be a sadistic, genocidal megalomaniac and eliminating it must be our first priority as a species.
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Postby The Islands of Equality » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Shallowell wrote:
NVADF wrote:Are you saying that everything could not exist without a creator? Because if so, then what created god?

IMHO, that's where orthodox logic leaves off and God logic comes in. Because it's God (an inherently supernatural being, who we cannot fully understand), he can "just exist." Because it's not standard science, it needs no standard scientific explanation.


Can't you say the same for the universe?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I think what you really mean is FABULOUS.

its not really fabulous.....had they been wearing makeup or dresses or something it would have been fabs.

Everything is FABULOUS.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:clearly, I mean look the evidence is everywhere. You said so yourself and you're a reliable source.

Absolutely. I can testify. I was spoken to, in the middle of the night by the Grand Poobah of the Uranus Chickens. They told me their story and that there was a bucket of KFC hidden in the forest. I was to eat the divine chicken in praise of the chickens and their delicious omnipotence, and then read the inscription on the bottom. It was written in an unintelligible language that only I know because the Chickens told me.

really? shall we start telling the world about this?
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Postby Bolivian Empire » Thu May 09, 2013 9:14 pm

Yes.God exist clues were everywhere.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 9:15 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Vazdania wrote:its not really fabulous.....had they been wearing makeup or dresses or something it would have been fabs.

Everything is FABULOUS.

NO.
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Postby Xirxixcroxior » Thu May 09, 2013 9:15 pm

I can live a perfectly moral life without a invisible man holding my hand, so actually it really wouldn't matter to me. I consider myself rather agnostic/apatheistic leaning to atheist. I see some light in pantheism, but this also is in fact unprovable.

Better question still, if he does exist, but he's not YHWH or Allah or Vishnu, but a being entirely diffrent? You might offend it by worshipping it wrongly or maybe worshipping at all.
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