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Postby Good Sir » Fri May 03, 2013 10:16 pm

I support keeping criminals who have proven to be guilty of serious and cruel harm to another person out of society in the cheapest way possible. My understanding is that due to our legal system, that is not capital punishment, though I have seen some studies that the show the opposite. At least in high profile cases, like the Jodi Arias case recently, no, I don't think it is logical to spend so much of our money just so we have a shot at killing her.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Fri May 03, 2013 10:40 pm

Clearly the death penalty should be used for every minor offence, including speeding.

You just watch the crime rate plummet.
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri May 03, 2013 10:58 pm

Dagnia wrote:I think the death penalty should always be an option for premeditated murder and think it should be expanded to rape and any sexual crimes involving pre-pubescent children.

My support for it has nothing to do with an eye for an eye or deterrence or anything like that. There are some people who I just find so vile and dangerous that I think they no longer deserve to exist on the same planet as me and would feel much better with them taken out.

Jews, right? Or is it blacks? Communists? Homosexuals?

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Postby Hockenberg » Sat May 04, 2013 12:18 am

No, life imprisonment is better because
1) It's a more harsh and fitting punishment
2) It's cheaper than the death penalty
3) If it turns out that the person accused of crime is innocent you can set them free, can't do that with the death penalty
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Postby The Holy Roman Reich » Sat May 04, 2013 12:36 am

I do support the death penalty. I support it because I think if people commit heinous enough crimes against their fellow man, they deserve to die for it. However, I feel that modern executions are far too lenient and suffocated by too much red tape. I think that once someone is convicted of an executable offense, they should have one year in which to prepare for an appeal and if they are still found guilty, that they should be executed the next day. I think lethal injection is far too humane, so I would opt out for hangings, electric chair, the guillotine or in extreme situations, crucifixion. If you make the punishment worse than the crime, it will serve as a deterrent.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat May 04, 2013 12:36 am

The Holy Roman Reich wrote:I do support the death penalty. I support it because I think if people commit heinous enough crimes against their fellow man, they deserve to die for it. However, I feel that modern executions are far too lenient and suffocated by too much red tape. I think that once someone is convicted of an executable offense, they should have one year in which to prepare for an appeal and if they are still found guilty, that they should be executed the next day. I think lethal injection is far too humane, so I would opt out for hangings, electric chair, the guillotine or in extreme situations, crucifixion. If you make the punishment worse than the crime, it will serve as a deterrent.

Explain why Norway has the world's lowest recidivism rate.
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Postby West Sylvania » Sat May 04, 2013 12:42 am

I do not support the death penalty. This does not arise from any moral objection to killing killers, but rather from my inability to accept a flawed judicial system having the ability to EVER hand out death as a sentence.

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Postby Duvniask » Sat May 04, 2013 12:48 am

No, I do not.

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Do I on a moral level find it an acceptable response to certain (very violent) crimes? Yes.

Do I think it is good policy? No. Too much of a risk of an innocent, juvenile or mentally incompetent person being executed.

Also this, my view of it is pretty much the same.

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Postby Immoren » Sat May 04, 2013 1:32 am

Death shouldn't be punishment, but a release.
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Postby United Paradisia » Sat May 04, 2013 1:35 am

I support the death penalty for things like, first degree murder of a police officer.
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Postby Great Adrianland » Sat May 04, 2013 1:40 am

I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, acts of paedophilia, acts of terrorism, murder, and sadistic crimes.

A lot of it just requires a bit of good old fashioned common sense.
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Postby United Paradisia » Sat May 04, 2013 1:42 am

Great Adrianland wrote:I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, such as being a paedophile, murder, and sadistic crimes.

A lot of it just requires a bit of good old fashioned common sense.

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Postby Great Adrianland » Sat May 04, 2013 1:47 am

United Paradisia wrote:
Great Adrianland wrote:I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, such as being a paedophile, murder, and sadistic crimes.

A lot of it just requires a bit of good old fashioned common sense.

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Postby Tsuntion » Sat May 04, 2013 1:56 am

No, I don't. I think the purpose of prison should be to keep society safe whilst criminals are rehabilitated, and everyone should have that rehabilitation. I think that there's too much of a risk of executing innocent people, or people who are not innocent but should not have been executed. And there's the "more expensive and not a good deterrent" thing, and "it seems like people often want it for revenge not justice".
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Postby Maarnix » Sat May 04, 2013 2:03 am

No I don't support it.

It's better to leave a hundred guilty men alive (locked up, of course) than execute one innocent man/ woman.

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Postby The Democratic Republic of Davida » Sat May 04, 2013 2:25 am

No.

The death penalty is barbaric and is something that belongs in the past or (sadly) in totalitarian regimes and crazy third world countries.

A nation that applies the death penalty is in my opinion should not be considered a civilized nation.

The USA considers itself to be one but in many respects it is like one of those totalitarian regimes in the third world when you look not only at the death penalty but also at its insane 'defense spending and the inequality of wealth and income.
Still, it does seem the USA is becoming more and more progressive although you wouldn't know it from watching main stream media.
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Postby St George » Sat May 04, 2013 4:29 am

Great Adrianland wrote:I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, such as being a paedophile

Being a paedophile isn't a crime.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 04, 2013 5:26 am

Neo Arcad wrote:
Ifreann wrote:A better mindset and culture, by the sounds of it.



To which I said "So don't have life without parole, like what happened to Breivik", and then you got so hard for Norwegian prisons that you couldn't respond to the first part, I assume.


I said "Don't EVEN bring that posh-ass Norwegian bullshit into this." Norway's prisons, if they're all like the ones I've seen, aren't a punishment.

I was paraphrasing, and you're still not responding.


Dagnia wrote:I think the death penalty should always be an option for premeditated murder and think it should be expanded to rape and any sexual crimes involving pre-pubescent children.

My support for it has nothing to do with an eye for an eye or deterrence or anything like that. There are some people who I just find so vile and dangerous that I think they no longer deserve to exist on the same planet as me and would feel much better with them taken out.

We could always just move you to the ISS rather than systematically killing off all the people who squick you out.


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The Holy Roman Reich wrote:I do support the death penalty. I support it because I think if people commit heinous enough crimes against their fellow man, they deserve to die for it. However, I feel that modern executions are far too lenient and suffocated by too much red tape. I think that once someone is convicted of an executable offense, they should have one year in which to prepare for an appeal and if they are still found guilty, that they should be executed the next day. I think lethal injection is far too humane, so I would opt out for hangings, electric chair, the guillotine or in extreme situations, crucifixion. If you make the punishment worse than the crime, it will serve as a deterrent.

Explain why Norway has the world's lowest recidivism rate.

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Great Adrianland wrote:I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, such as being a paedophile, acts of terrorism, murder, and sadistic crimes.

A lot of it just requires a bit of good old fashioned common sense.

And leaving the EU. And then actually criminalising being a paedophile.
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Postby Divair » Sat May 04, 2013 5:36 am

Costs a bunch of money, doesn't do anything beneficial, can end up killing innocents..

Why would anyone support it unless they're driven by emotion exclusively?
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 04, 2013 5:42 am

Its obvious Clockwork Orange was right!
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 04, 2013 5:44 am

St George wrote:
Great Adrianland wrote:I agree with the British government's position on rehabilitating and sending dangerous criminals to prison. However, I do think that the death penalty should be reintroduced in Great Britain, but only for the very worst and heinous of crimes, such as being a paedophile

Being a paedophile isn't a crime.


Being Jeffrey Dahmer in any country should automatically be a crime.
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Postby St George » Sat May 04, 2013 5:45 am

Benuty wrote:
St George wrote:Being a paedophile isn't a crime.


Being Jeffrey Dahmer in any country should automatically be a crime.

Good to know.

What's that got to do with paedophilia?
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 04, 2013 5:49 am

St George wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Being Jeffrey Dahmer in any country should automatically be a crime.

Good to know.

What's that got to do with paedophilia?


Considering his crimes were a combination of "Paedophilia, Rape, Cannibalism, Murder, and torturing people" it would be a bane to let him live in this world again.
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Postby St George » Sat May 04, 2013 5:50 am

Benuty wrote:
St George wrote:Good to know.

What's that got to do with paedophilia?


Considering his crimes were a combination of "Paedophilia, Rape, Cannibalism, Murder, and torturing people" it would be a bane to let him live.

Except paedophilia isn't a crime in any country in the world.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 04, 2013 5:50 am

Benuty wrote:
St George wrote:Good to know.

What's that got to do with paedophilia?


Considering his crimes were a combination of "Paedophilia, Rape, Cannibalism, Murder, and torturing people" it would be a bane to let him live.

I'm not terribly inclined to rework a legal system to spite Jeffrey Dahmer. Sounds pointless.
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