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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:06 pm

Benuty wrote:
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Being a GMO it self doesn't pose a health risk.

Some modifications might pose health "risks".

I don't think I am even going to bother anymore to discuss/debate this.

As long as some of those self-important plebs just cease to interfere with scientific progress and research they can stick with their "organic" foods for all I care.


Have you heard of the hamster studies conducted by Russian-American scientists?


Yes I have, and I am not going to bother why your argument was shit, why the study was shit and why the interpretation of said study was shit. (I am not even going to bother to come up with pretty words to obfuscate the profanity, my level of caring is that low)

As I said(/implied) before, let those that "object" have their "organic" foods, just as long as they don't interfere with scientific progress and research I am fine with it (Just don't try to shove that bollocks down my throat).

As opposed to of course, the neo-luddites like the ones that are responsible for the EU's policy on GMOs.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:07 pm

It should only be used to make humans immune to cancer and other sickness as well as for military purposes. Think about it an army of genetically modified soldiers with no fear no pain no emotions besides anger and hatred. We would be invincible and all of the world would be under our boot heel. Or food that will never rot and grow to massive sizes same thing with animals.
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Postby The Progressive Society » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:07 pm

Call me a hippy, but I strongly oppose Genetic Modification or gmos. They sound like a good idea at first, how we can "feed the world", but it does more harm than good. It causes obesity, and the chemicals in it are downright bad for you. Even worse, many of the corporations force gmos on other countries, and force the government's of different nations to use their crop.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:08 pm

Volnotova wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Have you heard of the hamster studies conducted by Russian-American scientists?


Yes I have, and I am not going to bother why your argument was shit, why the study was shit and why the interpretation of said study was shit. (I am not even going to bother to come up with pretty words to obfuscate the profanity, my level of caring is that low)

As I said(/implied) before, let those that "object" have their "organic" foods, just as long as they don't interfere with scientific progress and research I am fine with it (Just don't try to shove that bollocks down my throat).

As opposed to of course, the neo-luddites like the ones that are responsible for the EU's policy on GMOs.


So the circular logic van has come to town.

Meanwhile in Kazakhstan.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:08 pm

The Progressive Society wrote:Call me a hippy, but I strongly oppose Genetic Modification or gmos. They sound like a good idea at first, how we can "feed the world", but it does more harm than good. It causes obesity, and the chemicals in it are downright bad for you. Even worse, many of the corporations force gmos on other countries, and force the government's of different nations to use their crop.

Source?
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Postby The Progressive Society » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:09 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:It should only be used to make humans immune to cancer and other sickness as well as for military purposes. Think about it an army of genetically modified soldiers with no fear no pain no emotions besides anger and hatred. We would be invincible and all of the world would be under our boot heel.


Isn't that an issue from the game?
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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:09 pm

Conscentia wrote:Well I'd like to have a career in genetics... I think you can guess which side i'm on.

Clearly you're only joining the sector to sabotage all the progress we're making.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:10 pm

The Progressive Society wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:It should only be used to make humans immune to cancer and other sickness as well as for military purposes. Think about it an army of genetically modified soldiers with no fear no pain no emotions besides anger and hatred. We would be invincible and all of the world would be under our boot heel.


Isn't that an issue from the game?

I'm sorry I don't understand are you referencing something?
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:10 pm

The Progressive Society wrote:Call me a hippy, but I strongly oppose Genetic Modification or gmos. They sound like a good idea at first, how we can "feed the world", but it does more harm than good. It causes obesity, and the chemicals in it are downright bad for you. Even worse, many of the corporations force gmos on other countries, and force the government's of different nations to use their crop.

Humans have been genetically modifying things through selective breeding for centuries.

This is what an unmodified wild banana looks like:
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Look delicious to you?


Genetic engineering is no different.
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Postby The Progressive Society » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:10 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Progressive Society wrote:Call me a hippy, but I strongly oppose Genetic Modification or gmos. They sound like a good idea at first, how we can "feed the world", but it does more harm than good. It causes obesity, and the chemicals in it are downright bad for you. Even worse, many of the corporations force gmos on other countries, and force the government's of different nations to use their crop.

Source?
Also, Norman Borlaug. The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives.


http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_s ... amage.html
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/monsan ... nepal.html

Just a few of many sources.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:11 pm

A fascinating area of science that has great potential in the benefits it can bring to humanity.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:12 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Progressive Society wrote:Call me a hippy, but I strongly oppose Genetic Modification or gmos. They sound like a good idea at first, how we can "feed the world", but it does more harm than good. It causes obesity, and the chemicals in it are downright bad for you. Even worse, many of the corporations force gmos on other countries, and force the government's of different nations to use their crop.

Humans have been genetically modifying things through selective breeding for centuries.

This is what an unmodified wild banana looks like:
Image
Look delicious to you?


Genetic engineering is no different.


When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.
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Postby The Progressive Society » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:13 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Humans have been genetically modifying things through selective breeding for centuries.

This is what an unmodified wild banana looks like:
Image
Look delicious to you?


Genetic engineering is no different.


When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.


Agreed, gmos could be perfected in the future, but for now its not the best idea.
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Postby Respuesta » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:13 pm

Benuty wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
Yes I have, and I am not going to bother why your argument was shit, why the study was shit and why the interpretation of said study was shit. (I am not even going to bother to come up with pretty words to obfuscate the profanity, my level of caring is that low)

As I said(/implied) before, let those that "object" have their "organic" foods, just as long as they don't interfere with scientific progress and research I am fine with it (Just don't try to shove that bollocks down my throat).

As opposed to of course, the neo-luddites like the ones that are responsible for the EU's policy on GMOs.


So the circular logic van has come to town.

Meanwhile in Kazakhstan.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:14 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Humans have been genetically modifying things through selective breeding for centuries.

This is what an unmodified wild banana looks like:
Image
Look delicious to you?


Genetic engineering is no different.


When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.

Selective breeding involves more than a single gene per generation.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:14 pm

Respuesta wrote:
Benuty wrote:
So the circular logic van has come to town.

Meanwhile in Kazakhstan.
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You've copied his and mine and then half of nothing?
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Postby Mythologopia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:15 pm

First off, for everyone who is all about organic...organic doesn't mean non-GMO. Non-GMO means non-GMO. Heirloom plants that gardeners and farmers have exchanged and chosen based on the parent plant's ability to withstand pests and disease and to grow produce well (human assisted natural selection) are not considered GMO. Genetic modification is the act of modifying an organism by deleting, adding, or mutating the genetic code via modern genetic engineering techniques.

GMO is not studied well enough IMO to be used commercially. We as a world don't know nearly enough about how genetic materials from our foods interact with our insides. Most GMO isn't modified for "health" either. It's modified to produce large amounts of food, sometimes at the sacrifice of quality and the plant's ability to protect itself. So, we get wonderfully subpar foods grown in petrochemicals and sprayed with more chemicals.

Not to mention the evils of The Monsanto Corporation who will file lawsuits against farmers suspected of using their seeds "illegally." A majority of those that have lawsuits filed against them didn't actually use the seed, it spread from some other farm and contaminated their crops.

I can't comment on human genetics cause that's a whole crazier issue.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:
When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.

Selective breeding involves more than a single gene per generation.


Depends on the laws of the country. France is thankfully a stickler about modifying crops to a certain extent.
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Postby The Progressive Society » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:16 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Selective breeding involves more than a single gene per generation.


Depends on the laws of the country.


Some countries have banned gmos all together, Peru just banned gmo corn, and I think Venezuela outlawed gmos altogether, looks like Chavez did at least one thing right.
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Postby Volnotova » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:17 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Humans have been genetically modifying things through selective breeding for centuries.

This is what an unmodified wild banana looks like:
Image
Look delicious to you?


Genetic engineering is no different.


When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.


Do you even know how genetics works?

Do you even know how genetic modification works?
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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:17 pm

Volnotova wrote:
Benuty wrote:
When you selectively infuse one gene every generation, its fine but every gene every generation is not exactly the best thing to do.


Do you even know how genetics works?

Do you even know how genetic modification works?

Obviously you just shove cancer into food, amirite? ;)

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:17 pm

The Progressive Society wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Source?
Also, Norman Borlaug. The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives.


http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_s ... amage.html
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/monsan ... nepal.html

Just a few of many sources.

1: Give this a read. That's the first one's source. They over-exaggerate the inconclusive results of the study to suit their needs.
2: It's not being forced on Nepal, but on the individual farmers in Nepal, and that's because it's the only way to feed everyone.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:18 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Depends on the laws of the country.

Er, What?
Laws have no influence on the effects of selective breeding.


Tell that to the European union specifically the GMO free zones.

http://www.cfr.org/genetically-modified ... tics/p8688
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