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Should civilians be allowed to own handguns?

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Postby Screensaver » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:19 am

Some gun control advocates believe that in addition to assault weapons handguns should also be prohibited from civilian ownership. Do you believe that civilians shouldn't be allowed to own handguns or do you think that civilians should be allowed to own them? I think that civilians should be allowed to own handguns because unlike assault weapons there are legitimate uses for handguns. They be used for sports shooting and more importantly they can be used for home defense. An assault weapon is overkill for home defense while a handgun is a practical and effective option. After all you can't just rely on the police since they can take 5-10 minutes to show up. Of course as with all firearms I feel that everyone purchasing a firearm should have a criminal background check done on them and a psychological exam. What do you think?

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Postby Geo » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:26 am

Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.
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Postby Neurotic Pandas » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:30 am

Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Why should that be limited to cowards weapons? Sword, Axes, Maces, Knifes of any size etc should all be legal as well. Remember folks, it's not the weapons that kill people.

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Postby Screensaver » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:30 am

Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Even anti-material rifles and heavy machine guns?

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Postby Neurotic Pandas » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:33 am

Screensaver wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Even anti-material rifles and heavy machine guns?


Especially those, we all know how civilians need to be able to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government! Though I have yet to see someone explain what that 'tyranny of the government' exactly entails...

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Postby Geo » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:56 am

Neurotic Pandas wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Why should that be limited to cowards weapons? Sword, Axes, Maces, Knifes of any size etc should all be legal as well. Remember folks, it's not the weapons that kill people.

Sure, why not?

Screensaver wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Even anti-material rifles and heavy machine guns?

Those too, my fiend.

Neurotic Pandas wrote:
Screensaver wrote:
Even anti-material rifles and heavy machine guns?


Especially those, we all know how civilians need to be able to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government! Though I have yet to see someone explain what that 'tyranny of the government' exactly entails...

Has anyone actually said anything about the tyranny of the government? Anyone? Hmm?
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Enlighten yourself here and here. I am an Anarcho-Egoist. Join me by placing your nation into the sole anarcho-egoist region of NationStates, Ego.
The Egoist Autarchy of PanGeo was rated green by Namor People's Rating Bureau for having such an extremely high rate of overall individual freedom!
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Postby New Naephak » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:58 am

Since the overwhelming majority of gun murders are made with handguns, not assault rifles or shotguns or sniper rifles, I think that handguns need better regulations.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:02 am

Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.

Legalise portable nuclear warheads for the civilian population.

Don't let the crypto-fascist liberals tell you otherwise.
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Postby Lewina » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:03 am

Civilians should be allowed to own handguns. But you can't have say... 15 rounds in your clip. I think it's a bit ridiculous having those many rounds.
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Postby Geo » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:04 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.

Legalise portable nuclear warheads for the civilian population.

Don't let the crypto-fascist liberals tell you otherwise.

Indeed, why not?

A little question: why regulate weapons at all? The group of people that wants to kill other people without a damn good reason is a fucking fringe minority.
Our people are called Geocitizens. PanGeo does not have a leader, but a foundress, an 'anarch' and an ideological mother instead, Maxine Edgebrow.
Enlighten yourself here and here. I am an Anarcho-Egoist. Join me by placing your nation into the sole anarcho-egoist region of NationStates, Ego.
The Egoist Autarchy of PanGeo was rated green by Namor People's Rating Bureau for having such an extremely high rate of overall individual freedom!
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Postby Geo » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:04 am

Lewina wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own handguns. But you can't have say... 15 rounds in your clip. I think it's a bit ridiculous having those many rounds.

Why?
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Enlighten yourself here and here. I am an Anarcho-Egoist. Join me by placing your nation into the sole anarcho-egoist region of NationStates, Ego.
The Egoist Autarchy of PanGeo was rated green by Namor People's Rating Bureau for having such an extremely high rate of overall individual freedom!
Pro: anarchy, atheism, autarchism, egoism, eye for an eye, hedonism, illegalism, libertine, might is right, new man, objectivism, satanism, suitheism, vigilante.
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Postby Reliat » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:08 am

I've got an idea to ban guns yet keep the second amnendmant.TASERS!!!!!!!! They are arms, so you can bear them! You will still have the right to bear arms
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:10 am

Neurotic Pandas wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Why should that be limited to cowards weapons? Sword, Axes, Maces, Knifes of any size etc should all be legal as well. Remember folks, it's not the weapons that kill people.

These ARE legal.

So are quarter-pounder cannons duct-taped to the hood of your truck.

Open-carry is still legal. And lugging a two ton firearm on the hood of your car is open as it gets.
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Postby Lewina » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:12 am

Geo wrote:
Lewina wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own handguns. But you can't have say... 15 rounds in your clip. I think it's a bit ridiculous having those many rounds.

Why?

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:14 am

Lewina wrote:
Geo wrote:Why?

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

And what if you piss-off a [wannabee] SWAT-team of 20 guys?

They got guns too.

Twenty of them and one of you.

And they got 30 to the mag and a second one bubba-taped for good measure.
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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Yue-Laou » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:16 am

In the US yes. In europe no.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:17 am

Yue-Laou wrote:In the US yes. In europe no.

I'm pretty sure I recall a newsie about ten British fellas shooting a guy for holding a carboard box.

200 rounds of ammo, and three wounded bystanders, and a busted radio later, job well done.

Oh, and bloody sunday.
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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Lewina » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:19 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Lewina wrote:Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

And what if you piss-off a [wannabee] SWAT-team of 20 guys?

They got guns too.

Twenty of them and one of you.

And they got 30 to the mag and a second one bubba-taped for good measure.

That's why we ban assault rifles from civilian use too.
Being NJ since '96

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:20 am

Lewina wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:And what if you piss-off a [wannabee] SWAT-team of 20 guys?

They got guns too.

Twenty of them and one of you.

And they got 30 to the mag and a second one bubba-taped for good measure.

That's why we ban assault rifles from civilian use too.

What about our enemies?

Can we ban... er... 'sanction' our enemies to fight us with nothing but box-cutter knives again?

Issue the police with cost-effective batons able to withstand clubbing 400 baby seals to death, should be good for riot control and home-invasive pacification of a totally disarmed world, no?
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Postby Redunnit » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:20 am

Geo wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Legalise portable nuclear warheads for the civilian population.

Don't let the crypto-fascist liberals tell you otherwise.

Indeed, why not?

A little question: why regulate weapons at all? The group of people that wants to kill other people without a damn good reason is a fucking fringe minority.



Not to mention a short lived one since either the police or other armed citizens have a natural tendency of cutting the violence sprees short as quickly as possible...

As for government tyranny, I firmly believe the Progressive movement in the US as it stands is a movement bent on changing our government away from one that protects our rights and into one that forces us all to live and act as liberals would have us : dependent and eventually enslaved. For this reason and due to the generally negative consequences of their proposed laws, as well as the lack of any manner of truth any time Nancy Pelosi hows her face on my televison, I have adopted a Nancy Reagan style policy of "just say no."
No, I will not register. No, 15 rounds is not too many for me to defend myself. No, semi-automatic weapons are not "assault weapons" no matter how scary/cool they look or how many rounds they may carry in their magazine.
In this country, we believe in equal opportunity, not equal outcome. Your safety is not guaranteed by anyone but you.
And why should I submit to anyone's fear anyway? What do my possessions do to you locked up in my house or hidden on my hip? Go buy a ballistic vest if you are overcome by fear, or never leave your house and turn it into a fortress, but do not presume to tell me how I may live, it is un-American.

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Postby Lewina » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:23 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Lewina wrote:That's why we ban assault rifles from civilian use too.

What about our enemies?

Can we ban... er... 'sanction' our enemies to fight us with nothing but box-cutter knives again?

Issue the police with cost-effective batons able to withstand clubbing 400 baby seals to death, should be good for riot control and home-invasive pacification, no?

:palm:
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Postby Immoren » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:24 am

Screensaver wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Even anti-material rifles and heavy machine guns?


Harder to conceal than pistols and revolvers


Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.

Legalise portable nuclear warheads for the civilian population.

Don't let the crypto-fascist liberals tell you otherwise.


Yes.

Lewina wrote:
Geo wrote:Why?

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

You can always compensate by carrying more mags and training reloading.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:27 am

I'm lolling at our inability to articulate why we disagree.

Since I haven't seen a disagreement, I'll assume Lew is giving a facepalm of agreement.

Immoren wrote:You can always compensate by carrying more mags and training reloading.

Why would I want to compensate when I can simply have it?

And, y'know, not try and compensate for the inadequacies of my gun's deficiencies (by simply having an adequate gun)... and focus on the important things.
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Factbook and general referance thread.
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Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Immoren » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:30 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Immoren wrote:You can always compensate by carrying more mags and training reloading.

Why would I want to compensate when I can simply have it?

And, y'know, not try and compensate for the inadequacies of my gun...


I meant that banning magazines that hold more than x amount of rounds doesn't work to reduce gun-spree fatalities, because you can buy three 10 round mags instead of that single 30 round mag. For example.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Suicune » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:31 am

Geo wrote:Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.


Neither do nuclear bombs. Why can't I have one to defend myself?
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