Animal Testing

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What is your opinion on using animals as test subjects for medical research or cosmetic research? Personally I am in favor in banning animal testing for cosmetic research but I see medical research as being necessary so I am okay with using animals as test subjects in the medical field.

[Ifreann]

Bit of a stretch to have two threads on this, isn't it?

[Regnum Dominae]

What is your opinion on using animals as test subjects for medical research or cosmetic research? Personally I am in favor in banning animal testing for cosmetic research but I see medical research as being necessary so I am okay with using animals as test subjects in the medical field.

If it benefits humanity, then I am all for it.

[Zohai]

Maybe people on death row should be used for testing instead of wasting them.

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Maybe people on death row should be used for testing instead of wasting them.

But many countries don't have the death penalty.

[Ifreann]

Maybe people on death row should be used for testing instead of wasting them.

That would have less scientific value than testing on concrete blocks.

[Zohai]

Why?

[DogDoo 7]

A balance should be struck. I'm for banning all forms of testing on non-human primates but rats, pigs, and whatnot make excellent human analogs.

[Ifreann]

Why?

Lab animals aren't just snatched up from the wild and pumped full of drugs. They're bred for purpose and their entire lives are controlled and documented, sperm to worm, womb to tomb. So if you want to test what your new wonder drug, Zataproximetacine, will do, you can test it on lab animals and know for sure that whatever happens to them is because of Zataproximetacine, not an unfortunate coincidence, and labs around the world can reproduce your tests and there won't be problems with their animals being too different from yours.

However, if you test Zataproximetacine on death row inmates, there are any number of things that could cause a reaction in them that have nothing to do with your drug. Your subjects are having trouble sleeping and are experiencing regular problems with stress and feelings of fear and dread. Is it because of Zataproximetacine or because they're facing execution? Suppose you get different results in one prison than another. Is it because of the subjects? The prison?

[Divair]

Is it for a medical purpose? Sure.
Otherwise? No.

[Ifreann]

Is it for a medical purpose? Sure.
Otherwise? No.

Only medical? No other field of science gets animal testing?

[Kvatchdom]

On some areas, should be legal. What else will it be tested on? Humans?

[Divair]

Is it for a medical purpose? Sure.
Otherwise? No.

Only medical? No other field of science gets animal testing?

Go on.

[Ifreann]

On some areas, should be legal. What else will it be tested on? Humans?

Anything humans are going to take is going to get tested on humans.

[America Resurgent]

Why?

Lab animals aren't just snatched up from the wild and pumped full of drugs. They're bred for purpose and their entire lives are controlled and documented, sperm to worm, womb to tomb. So if you want to test what your new wonder drug, Zataproximetacine, will do, you can test it on lab animals and know for sure that whatever happens to them is because of Zataproximetacine, not an unfortunate coincidence, and labs around the world can reproduce your tests and there won't be problems with their animals being too different from yours.

However, if you test Zataproximetacine on death row inmates, there are any number of things that could cause a reaction in them that have nothing to do with your drug. Your subjects are having trouble sleeping and are experiencing regular problems with stress and feelings of fear and dread. Is it because of Zataproximetacine or because they're facing execution? Suppose you get different results in one prison than another. Is it because of the subjects? The prison?

This is actually a problem that's very much present with animals, in fact.


For one very long list.

In addition, there are ways to do testing on individual cell cultures, without really touching a sentient creature. So...

[Ostroeuropa]

Only medical? No other field of science gets animal testing?

Go on.

I'd be more comfortable with a permit that can be granted on a case by case basis to avoid this question, with the presumption that medical gets the go-ahead, and any other thing they have a good enough reason for.

[Kvatchdom]

On some areas, should be legal. What else will it be tested on? Humans?

Anything humans are going to take is going to get tested on humans.

What if the human accidentally explodes because of a new kind of painkiller? Would you rather kill a human than a dog?

[Ostroeuropa]

Anything humans are going to take is going to get tested on humans.

What if the human accidentally explodes because of a new kind of painkiller? Would you rather kill a human than a dog?

I'm taking the fifth on this one.

[Divair]

Go on.

I'd be more comfortable with a permit that can be granted on a case by case basis to avoid this question, with the presumption that medical gets the go-ahead, and any other thing they have a good enough reason for.

Sure, why not.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd be more comfortable with a permit that can be granted on a case by case basis to avoid this question, with the presumption that medical gets the go-ahead, and any other thing they have a good enough reason for.

Sure, why not.

Like I dunno, some new food that is incredibly cheap to make and could solve hunger problems. But we have no idea about it's effects.
That's not technically medical.

[America Resurgent]

What if the human accidentally explodes because of a new kind of painkiller? Would you rather kill a human than a dog?

I'd rather kill a Cell Culture, personally.

[Kushtor]

Only when necessary, and with the utmost attention to the subject's welfare.

[Ifreann]

Only medical? No other field of science gets animal testing?

Go on.

Biology is a wider field than just medicine. Developing food additives and preservatives and what have you, for example, wouldn't be medicine, but would be crippled without animal testing. Bottle mentioned using baby lab animals to study development, which could be relevant to human medicine but probably wasn't medical research per se.

[Divair]

Go on.

Biology is a wider field than just medicine. Developing food additives and preservatives and what have you, for example, wouldn't be medicine, but would be crippled without animal testing. Bottle mentioned using baby lab animals to study development, which could be relevant to human medicine but probably wasn't medical research per se.

I see.

[Kvatchdom]

What if the human accidentally explodes because of a new kind of painkiller? Would you rather kill a human than a dog?

I'd rather kill a Cell Culture, personally.

Right answer. 10 points.