The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Farnhamia]

The zionists wrecked Europe and the levant. We must wipe them off the fact of the earth

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[The Rich Port]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

[Olerand]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Also, huge focus on the Palestinians being truthfully oppressed in the West Bank, or less the Arabs being less truthfully oppressed in Israel; but not a peep on the terrible, terrible, conditions of the Palestinians in their brother Arab countries (I visited a Palestinian camp -from the outside, it's very dangerous to enter- in Lebanon, the conditions are horrendous); really delegitimizes this new pro-Palestinian movement in my eyes.

[New Benian Republic]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

[The Rich Port]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Also, huge focus on the Palestinians being truthfully oppressed in the West Bank, or less the Arabs being less truthfully oppressed in Israel; but not a peep on the terrible, terrible, conditions of the Palestinians in their brother Arab countries (I visited a Palestinian camp -from the outside, it's very dangerous to enter- in Lebanon, the conditions are horrendous); really delegitimizes this new pro-Palestinian movement in my eyes.

Yup, it's very sad.

The even sadder part is that a partition is really the only way this is going to turn out good.

It's either gonna turn into a war between Israel and it's hypocritical Muslim neighbors or it's going to mean lots more Palestinian suffering, up to and including the deaths of most Palestinians in the crossfire, if not the total abandonment of the West Bank in the crossfire until the eventual war is over.

Well, to be fair to Israel, Hamas hasn't accepted a UN partition, therefore it isn't a country according to the UN... But I'm splitting hairs here.

A partition MUST occur. There's no in betweens there. Hamas is going to cause the death of the Palestine it says it holds so goddamn dear.

[New Benian Republic]

The Rich Port, Hamas should never and will never recognize the state of Israel as the Palestinians never wanted them there and they have the right to resist by any and all means necessary, and I do mean all means.

[Olerand]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

Oof. Not sure if this is even going to stay it flirts so strongly with outright anti-semitism; but you are wrong on many counts.

Israel's right to exist was given to it by the UN; and its continued right to exist established as that of the Arabs' right to exist everywhere outside of the Arabian Peninsula of which they are originally from, that is by force and winning wars.

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

[Olerand]

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Also, huge focus on the Palestinians being truthfully oppressed in the West Bank, or less the Arabs being less truthfully oppressed in Israel; but not a peep on the terrible, terrible, conditions of the Palestinians in their brother Arab countries (I visited a Palestinian camp -from the outside, it's very dangerous to enter- in Lebanon, the conditions are horrendous); really delegitimizes this new pro-Palestinian movement in my eyes.

Yup, it's very sad.

The even sadder part is that a partition is really the only way this is going to turn out good.

It's either gonna turn into a war between Israel and it's hypocritical Muslim neighbors or it's going to mean lots more Palestinian suffering, up to and including the deaths of most Palestinians in the crossfire, if not the total abandonment of the West Bank in the crossfire until the eventual war is over.

Well, to be fair to Israel, Hamas hasn't accepted a UN partition, therefore it isn't a country according to the UN... But I'm splitting hairs here.

A partition MUST occur. There's no in betweens there. Hamas is going to cause the death of the Palestine it says it holds so goddamn dear.

What do you mean Hamas hasn't accepted the partition and therefore is not a country? Hamas? Yeah, it doesn't accept the partition, of course; but did you mean Palestine is not a country? (Which is technically true, it is not recognized as an independent State by the UN, erroneously so in my opinion).

[Baltenstein]

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

They also abandoned all settlements in the Gaza strip, did them wonders.

[Kocror aquilifer]

The zionists wrecked Europe and the levant. We must wipe them off the fact of the earth

How did Zionists wreck Europe?

Well, duh, the jihadists are secretly Zionist mind control puppets and... reptile aliens and... stuff... you know... CIA, Mossad, acronyms, MK ULTRA, jihadis are the real victims here, etc etc etc...

lol.

[New Benian Republic]

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

Oof. Not sure if this is even going to stay it flirts so strongly with outright anti-semitism; but you are wrong on many counts.

Israel's right to exist was given to it by the UN; and its continued right to exist established as that of the Arabs' right to exist everywhere outside of the Arabian Peninsula of which they are originally from, that is by force and winning wars.

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

Ive never been anti-Semitic in my life.

The UN had no right to give away the land. The Arabs were forced out of Palestine quite often and that is why they are all around the world and I assure you they would love to go back home.

I said greedy European jews since actual jews respect human life and know that they aren't supposed to go back to Palestine even if it was theirs at some point. And the Israelis started the war and marched into the Sinai so its not saying very much since the UN might have actually told them to leave back then.

[New Benian Republic]

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

They also abandoned all settlements in the Gaza strip, did them wonders.

Because they would have been wiped out by the resistance in Gaza.

[The Rich Port]

After having read up on the history of Israel after putting it off for so long (and yes, my motivation for finally doing it had to do with a cute geeky girl talking to me about her work in a local Pro-Palestine group), I gotta say that Israel sort of earned their current place, fair and square... Well, about as fair and square as a war can be, but, there you go.

They kinda couldn't help it, considering that the Arab League and the local Palestinian government of the time rejected the original partition proposal and then invaded the British protectorate to enforce their rejection by evicting the Jewish refugees. The Jews fought for independence and... They won.

So... Don't know what the deal is, really. That Israel abuses the Palestinians? I agree, that's messed up, so they should partition the area and make the West Bank into Palestine. Admittedly, I would be insulted if a bunch of refugees showed up and wanted to take over the local area all of a sudden, but I would also try to compromise to avoid suffering on either sides.

But I get the feeling that's not what the Palestinians or the Israelis want anymore, considering that there's been decades since the Israeli War of Independence and plenty of irrational, extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

It's especially ironic considering that the Arab League states then went on to treat their own Palestinian refugees like shit, shacking them up in crappy refugee camps, from what I've read.

So much for Pan-Arabism, Moammar Gaddafi...

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

Ahem... No, the Jews didn't have a right to be there, certainly. They tried to negotiate with the Arab League and Palestine to stay there. The Arab League and Palestine responded with an invasion of the British protectorate. The Israelis then countered. They earned the right to be there through force, something that the Arab League was forced to recognize after the Israeli war of independence, which they then cemented with the "Permanent" Armistice.

Yes, quite a gain, that Gaza Strip...

Well... Uh... Yeah.

By your own analysis of the situation, the Palestinians are fucked if they don't accept a partition either way... So, they should accept a partition, because an armed struggle would be pointlessly fatalistic.

Their beloved Muslim allies, according to you, won't help them, so... Yeah.

Who's gonna help them, ISIL? Al-Qaeda? Assad? They're all pretty busy at the moment.

... You know, you're not very good at arguing Palestine's case...

Yup, it's very sad.

The even sadder part is that a partition is really the only way this is going to turn out good.

It's either gonna turn into a war between Israel and it's hypocritical Muslim neighbors or it's going to mean lots more Palestinian suffering, up to and including the deaths of most Palestinians in the crossfire, if not the total abandonment of the West Bank in the crossfire until the eventual war is over.

Well, to be fair to Israel, Hamas hasn't accepted a UN partition, therefore it isn't a country according to the UN... But I'm splitting hairs here.

A partition MUST occur. There's no in betweens there. Hamas is going to cause the death of the Palestine it says it holds so goddamn dear.

What do you mean Hamas hasn't accepted the partition and therefore is not a country? Hamas? Yeah, it doesn't accept the partition, of course; but did you mean Palestine is not a country? (Which is technically true, it is not recognized as an independent State by the UN, erroneously so in my opinion).

Look, I gotta say, I totally sympathise with Palestine. I once supported my country's own independence movement. I used to think America was the Evil Empire too.

Sad to say, though, they have to be realistic. They need allies, and, as Palestine's Great Champion here has said, they don't have any Muslim allies, not any real ones, at least.

I think it's erroneous too, but they have to be realistic about their chances. They should petition the U.N. for aid and get rid of Hamas in the meantime.

Resorting to armed struggle only ever works for crooks or people that have a whole lotta help. The Israelis had a whole lotta help... From Czechoslovakia, specifically, who violated the U.N. embargo, but... There you go.

[Olerand]

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

They also abandoned all settlements in the Gaza strip, did them wonders.

True, but that wasn't for any immediately available political goals.

Oof. Not sure if this is even going to stay it flirts so strongly with outright anti-semitism; but you are wrong on many counts.

Israel's right to exist was given to it by the UN; and its continued right to exist established as that of the Arabs' right to exist everywhere outside of the Arabian Peninsula of which they are originally from, that is by force and winning wars.

As for Israel, or as you say "greedy" Jews, not giving up land. Historically, that is simply incorrect. Israel gave up the Sinai in return for peace with Egypt.

Ive never been anti-Semitic in my life.

The UN had no right to give away the land. The Arabs were forced out of Palestine quite often and that is why they are all around the world and I assure you they would love to go back home.

I said greedy European jews since actual jews respect human life and know that they aren't supposed to go back to Palestine even if it was theirs at some point. And the Israelis started the war and marched into the Sinai so its not saying very much since the UN might have actually told them to leave back then.

Um...Greedy Jews. Not anti-semitic?

The UN has the right to give away land, a right granted to it by itself. Simple really. What happens afterwards depends on the balance of power, and who comes out on top. Israel has come out on top, repeatedly.

I know people of Palestinian descent living here in France, and they're quite comfortable and content; would you like to force them back?

So...What are European Jews? And where is the distinction between them and "real Jews"? Israel now also being mostly Sephradic Jews, since they were kicked out of the Arabic world, is it now "really" Jewish? Or do you mean the denominations of ultra-Orthodox Jews in like Brooklyn who think Jews shouldn't return until the Messiah comes? Because they make up a single digit percentage of the Jews of the world, and I'm not sure by what authority you give yourself the right to call them the "real" Jews, and the others "fake".

Mhm. But you said the greedy "European" Jews would never give up land, and yet, they did.

[New Benian Republic]

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

Ahem... No, the Jews didn't have a right to be there, certainly. They tried to negotiate with the Arab League and Palestine to stay there. The Arab League and Palestine responded with an invasion of the British protectorate. The Israelis then countered. They earned the right to be there through force, something that the Arab League was forced to recognize after the Israeli war of independence, which they then cemented with the "Permanent" Armistice.

Yes, quite a gain, that Gaza Strip...

Well... Uh... Yeah.

By your own analysis of the situation, the Palestinians are fucked if they don't accept a partition either way... So, they should accept a partition, because an armed struggle would be pointlessly fatalistic.

Their beloved Muslim allies, according to you, won't help them, so... Yeah.

Who's gonna help them, ISIL? Al-Qaeda? Assad? They're all pretty busy at the moment.

... You know, you're not very good at arguing Palestine's case...

What do you mean Hamas hasn't accepted the partition and therefore is not a country? Hamas? Yeah, it doesn't accept the partition, of course; but did you mean Palestine is not a country? (Which is technically true, it is not recognized as an independent State by the UN, erroneously so in my opinion).

Look, I gotta say, I totally sympathise with Palestine. I once supported my country's own independence movement. I used to think America was the Evil Empire too.

Sad to say, though, they have to be realistic. They need allies, and, as Palestine's Great Champion here has said, they don't have any Muslim allies, not any real ones, at least.

I think it's erroneous too, but they have to be realistic about their chances. They should petition the U.N. for aid and get rid of Hamas in the meantime.

Resorting to armed struggle only ever works for crooks or people that have a whole lotta help. The Israelis had a whole lotta help... From Czechoslovakia, specifically, who violated the U.N. embargo, but... There you go.

All of Palestine belongs to Palestine and if the Israelis don't like it they can go back to Europe.

The Arab league is a group of pompous weaklings who will do anything to hold on to their countries.

The Gaza strip is quite an achievement since it can be used to launch rockets at the enemy stronghold of tel aviv.

They may lose and be destroyed but they will have fought like lions for what was right and it will cost the Israelis dearly so that the casualties wont be so one sided.

They once again have no allies.

ISIS was defeated by Hamas in the Gaza strip since Hamas hates them. Al Qaeda wants an international caliphate Hamas wants their land and wouldn't get stuck in the middle of a war with a terrorist group and America. And Assad is starting to win and may even gain the guts to retake the Golan heights and fight Israel.

Hamas has no reason to possibly pay attention to the UN since it doesn't do anything and hasn't been useful for the last 60 some years really.

I still support my countries full unity.

Hamas is literally the only thing keeping Palestine somewhat alive and that's the best that can be hoped for until real Arab leaders arise or Assad delivers a crushing blow to isis. Once again the UN is a waste.

The Palestinians have a legal right under international law to resist and I stand by the belief that you never enter into negotiations with the occupier until either victory or destruction.

[Olerand]

I've done the same for women

The Jewish Israelis had no right to ever be in Palestine and had been attacking British and Arabs under groups such as the stern gang.

The Israelis would never give up land unless it was dragged from their cold dead hands like in the Gaza strip how the resistance forced them out.

The whole situation is due to greedy Europeans "jews" thinking since Hitler messed with them that they can commit genocide upon the defenseless Arab Palestinians just because no one will stop them, And the extremists on the Palestinian side are something that is needed to keep Palestine somewhat alive otherwise there would be no one else to fight to the death.

The Arab league is made up of American backed cowards who sit in their thrones counting US money while they watch the fellow Arabs die through merciless slaughter and white phosphorus attacks. There is no real Arab leaders left other then Assad somewhat.

And there hasn't been such thing as pan Arabism since the late 70's when they still were willing to resist and defend the Arab peoples of Palestine. And Gadhafi is someone I like since he gave arms to resistance groups all around the world.

Ahem... No, the Jews didn't have a right to be there, certainly. They tried to negotiate with the Arab League and Palestine to stay there. The Arab League and Palestine responded with an invasion of the British protectorate. The Israelis then countered. They earned the right to be there through force, something that the Arab League was forced to recognize after the Israeli war of independence, which they then cemented with the "Permanent" Armistice.

Yes, quite a gain, that Gaza Strip...

Well... Uh... Yeah.

By your own analysis of the situation, the Palestinians are fucked if they don't accept a partition either way... So, they should accept a partition, because an armed struggle would be pointlessly fatalistic.

Their beloved Muslim allies, according to you, won't help them, so... Yeah.

Who's gonna help them, ISIL? Al-Qaeda? Assad? They're all pretty busy at the moment.

... You know, you're not very good at arguing Palestine's case...

What do you mean Hamas hasn't accepted the partition and therefore is not a country? Hamas? Yeah, it doesn't accept the partition, of course; but did you mean Palestine is not a country? (Which is technically true, it is not recognized as an independent State by the UN, erroneously so in my opinion).

Look, I gotta say, I totally sympathise with Palestine. I once supported my country's own independence movement. I used to think America was the Evil Empire too.

Sad to say, though, they have to be realistic. They need allies, and, as Palestine's Great Champion here has said, they don't have any Muslim allies, not any real ones, at least.

I think it's erroneous too, but they have to be realistic about their chances. They should petition the U.N. for aid and get rid of Hamas in the meantime.

Resorting to armed struggle only ever works for crooks or people that have a whole lotta help. The Israelis had a whole lotta help... From Czechoslovakia, specifically, who violated the U.N. embargo, but... There you go.

I agree, entirely. But things have gotten very heated in the area, and well, logic is quickly going out the window.

Also, what is your "home-country", I guess? Your flag is that of the Assyrians, are you Assyrian, or do you have it only in solidarity?

[New Benian Republic]

They also abandoned all settlements in the Gaza strip, did them wonders.

True, but that wasn't for any immediately available political goals.

Ive never been anti-Semitic in my life.

The UN had no right to give away the land. The Arabs were forced out of Palestine quite often and that is why they are all around the world and I assure you they would love to go back home.

I said greedy European jews since actual jews respect human life and know that they aren't supposed to go back to Palestine even if it was theirs at some point. And the Israelis started the war and marched into the Sinai so its not saying very much since the UN might have actually told them to leave back then.

Um...Greedy Jews. Not anti-semitic?

The UN has the right to give away land, a right granted to it by itself. Simple really. What happens afterwards depends on the balance of power, and who comes out on top. Israel has come out on top, repeatedly.

I know people of Palestinian descent living here in France, and they're quite comfortable and content; would you like to force them back?

So...What are European Jews? And where is the distinction between them and "real Jews"? Israel now also being mostly Sephradic Jews, since they were kicked out of the Arabic world, is it now "really" Jewish? Or do you mean the denominations of ultra-Orthodox Jews in like Brooklyn who think Jews shouldn't return until the Messiah comes? Because they make up a single digit percentage of the Jews of the world, and I'm not sure by what authority you give yourself the right to call them the "real" Jews, and the others "fake".

Mhm. But you said the greedy "European" Jews would never give up land, and yet, they did.

Greedy European jews, the real jews that I know respect human life and the right for Palestinians to resist.

No it doesn't I could make up an organization and say I give the world to myself but it wouldn't be any more right or legitimate.

They are the people that matter so no, they would have the choice.

They are Europeans and have to go back to Europe they shouldn't be given some damn free holocaust card saying they get Palestine because the world feels bad for them.

No they didn't they would have held onto it if they weren't afraid of continued resistance and war and even maybe a UN forcing them to leave.

[Atlanticatia]

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Agree with this.

Support Israel's right to exist.
Support the right of the Palestinians to have a sovereign state of their own, free from Israeli interference.
Oppose Hamas, Fatah is decent.
Support 2 states along the 1967 borders, oppose Israeli settlements and occupation of lands which are not rightfully theirs in the West Bank.
Oppose violent and extremist practices by the Palestinians and extreme military practices by the IDF at times.

Really, let's just get it over with - a two state solution of two democracies, Israel and Palestine, along 1967 borders.

[The Rich Port]

Ahem... No, the Jews didn't have a right to be there, certainly. They tried to negotiate with the Arab League and Palestine to stay there. The Arab League and Palestine responded with an invasion of the British protectorate. The Israelis then countered. They earned the right to be there through force, something that the Arab League was forced to recognize after the Israeli war of independence, which they then cemented with the "Permanent" Armistice.

Yes, quite a gain, that Gaza Strip...

Well... Uh... Yeah.

By your own analysis of the situation, the Palestinians are fucked if they don't accept a partition either way... So, they should accept a partition, because an armed struggle would be pointlessly fatalistic.

Their beloved Muslim allies, according to you, won't help them, so... Yeah.

Who's gonna help them, ISIL? Al-Qaeda? Assad? They're all pretty busy at the moment.

... You know, you're not very good at arguing Palestine's case...



Look, I gotta say, I totally sympathise with Palestine. I once supported my country's own independence movement. I used to think America was the Evil Empire too.

Sad to say, though, they have to be realistic. They need allies, and, as Palestine's Great Champion here has said, they don't have any Muslim allies, not any real ones, at least.

I think it's erroneous too, but they have to be realistic about their chances. They should petition the U.N. for aid and get rid of Hamas in the meantime.

Resorting to armed struggle only ever works for crooks or people that have a whole lotta help. The Israelis had a whole lotta help... From Czechoslovakia, specifically, who violated the U.N. embargo, but... There you go.

I agree, entirely. But things have gotten very heated in the area, and well, logic is quickly going out the window.

Also, what is your "home-country", I guess? Your flag is that of the Assyrians, are you Assyrian, or do you have it only in solidarity?

Yes, that seems to have be the case in many geopolitical conflicts like this. It reminds me of the Serbian Civil War and Hamas reminds me of that dummy that made A Serbian Film. "The life of a Serbian is nothing but rape..." he said with a straight face, even though Serbia was the primary agent of genocide in the region due to Serbian politicians wanting to consolidate a "Greater Serbia" out of what was once Yugoslavia.

Solidarity is a good word for it, I guess. I'm originally from Puerto Rico, but I was forced to move to America when my family's business collapsed. I very much admire the Middle East, it being the Cradle of Civilization and all in the "Old World".

[The Rich Port]

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Agree with this.

Support Israel's right to exist.
Support the right of the Palestinians to have a sovereign state of their own, free from Israeli interference.
Oppose Hamas, Fatah is decent.
Support 2 states along the 1967 borders, oppose Israeli settlements and occupation of lands which are not rightfully theirs in the West Bank.
Oppose violent and extremist practices by the Palestinians and extreme military practices by the IDF at times.

Really, let's just get it over with - a two state solution of two democracies, Israel and Palestine, along 1967 borders.

XD Getting it over with is a little insensitive, guy...

But, yes, Israel and Palestine should end the violence. It only causes more suffering.

[New Benian Republic]

Israel got a UN resolution establishing it in 1948, leaving most of the land to the Arabs; the Arab world did not accept it. Fine. It fought for its right to exist, and won, as all nations have before it. It fought multiple wars afterwards to do just the same, and won those too.

Beyond that, its colonization of lands not granted to it by the 1967 UN resolution is a violation of international law, however. But this new trend amongst many on the left, to stand in solidarity with "Palestine" (Hamas, really; Fatah accepts Israel's existence in its 1967 borders, Hamas doesn't; but now Fatah is a collaborationist to many) by delegitimizing Israel's right to exist in its 1967 borders is very concerning and dangerous.

Agree with this.

Support Israel's right to exist.
Support the right of the Palestinians to have a sovereign state of their own, free from Israeli interference.
Oppose Hamas, Fatah is decent.
Support 2 states along the 1967 borders, oppose Israeli settlements and occupation of lands which are not rightfully theirs in the West Bank.
Oppose violent and extremist practices by the Palestinians and extreme military practices by the IDF at times.

Really, let's just get it over with - a two state solution of two democracies, Israel and Palestine, along 1967 borders.

Israel will never possibly leave Palestine alone since they have on many cases had leadership call them subhuman.

Hamas and Fatah are the only things keeping Palestine around and giving Israel pain.

The 1967 borders simply aren't acceptable either as they would still leave very little of Palestine and Israeli war criminals wouldn't be tried. I support any and all Palestinian uses of force against occupiers as it is justifiable.

Never gonna happen with the existence of Israel.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Agree with this.

Support Israel's right to exist.
Support the right of the Palestinians to have a sovereign state of their own, free from Israeli interference.
Oppose Hamas, Fatah is decent.
Support 2 states along the 1967 borders, oppose Israeli settlements and occupation of lands which are not rightfully theirs in the West Bank.
Oppose violent and extremist practices by the Palestinians and extreme military practices by the IDF at times.

Really, let's just get it over with - a two state solution of two democracies, Israel and Palestine, along 1967 borders.

Israel will never possibly leave Palestine alone since they have on many cases had leadership call them subhuman.

Hamas and Fatah are the only things keeping Palestine around and giving Israel pain.

The 1967 borders simply aren't acceptable either as they would still leave very little of Palestine and Israeli war criminals wouldn't be tried. I support any and all Palestinian uses of force against occupiers as it is justifiable.

Never gonna happen with the existence of Israel.

Well, simply put, then you'll lose.

[New Benian Republic]

Israel will never possibly leave Palestine alone since they have on many cases had leadership call them subhuman.

Hamas and Fatah are the only things keeping Palestine around and giving Israel pain.

The 1967 borders simply aren't acceptable either as they would still leave very little of Palestine and Israeli war criminals wouldn't be tried. I support any and all Palestinian uses of force against occupiers as it is justifiable.

Never gonna happen with the existence of Israel.

Well, simply put, then you'll lose.

Yes but there would be a valiant fight to the end rather then slowly be decimated without a peep.

[Atlanticatia]

Well, simply put, then you'll lose.

Yes but there would be a valiant fight to the end rather then slowly be decimated without a peep.

So you'd rather have a bloody and never-ending fight that kills innocent people rather than a negotiated two-state solution that ensures democratic sovereignty for both the Israeli and Palestinian people?

[Olerand]

True, but that wasn't for any immediately available political goals.


Um...Greedy Jews. Not anti-semitic?

The UN has the right to give away land, a right granted to it by itself. Simple really. What happens afterwards depends on the balance of power, and who comes out on top. Israel has come out on top, repeatedly.

I know people of Palestinian descent living here in France, and they're quite comfortable and content; would you like to force them back?

So...What are European Jews? And where is the distinction between them and "real Jews"? Israel now also being mostly Sephradic Jews, since they were kicked out of the Arabic world, is it now "really" Jewish? Or do you mean the denominations of ultra-Orthodox Jews in like Brooklyn who think Jews shouldn't return until the Messiah comes? Because they make up a single digit percentage of the Jews of the world, and I'm not sure by what authority you give yourself the right to call them the "real" Jews, and the others "fake".

Mhm. But you said the greedy "European" Jews would never give up land, and yet, they did.

Greedy European jews, the real jews that I know respect human life and the right for Palestinians to resist.

No it doesn't I could make up an organization and say I give the world to myself but it wouldn't be any more right or legitimate.

They are the people that matter so no, they would have the choice.

They are Europeans and have to go back to Europe they shouldn't be given some damn free holocaust card saying they get Palestine because the world feels bad for them.

No they didn't they would have held onto it if they weren't afraid of continued resistance and war and even maybe a UN forcing them to leave.

Yeah. Well...I guess I have nothing to say then.