Men need to be trained to not rape.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Rape Prevention Glasses?

They're like the opposite of beer goggles?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/military-birth-control-glasses_n_1242628.html

[Aghny]

They're like the opposite of beer goggles?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/military-birth-control-glasses_n_1242628.html

Exaggeration!

[Nadkor]

Have you ever considered that ordinary well-adjusted males might know perfectly well that 1. consent is a requirement before sex and 2. might feel insulted if you imply otherwise?

I appreciate that you're new and everything, but over the last two and a bit weeks we've had two threads, covering 241 pages, filled with "ordinary well-adjusted males" demonstrating that their understanding of rape and consent is seriously flawed. So much so that people who initially felt that there was no need to educate people about rape and consent have since changed their minds.

So, no. I don't buy for a second the argument that anywhere near enough males understand rape and consent.

[Aghny]

Have you ever considered that ordinary well-adjusted males might know perfectly well that 1. consent is a requirement before sex and 2. might feel insulted if you imply otherwise?

I appreciate that you're new and everything, but over the last two and a bit weeks we've had two threads, covering 241 pages, filled with "ordinary well-adjusted males" demonstrating that their understanding of rape and consent is seriously flawed. So much so that people who initially felt that there was no need to educate people about rape and consent have since changed their minds.

So, no. I don't buy for a second the argument that anywhere near enough males understand rape and consent.

To be honest, i think everyone understands just fine. Acknowledging it is another issue.

Also trolls (and not the bridge troll kind)

Not to mention most of the actual rapists are sexual predators who do it even though they know it is wrong. (One could say that i don't see for example non-consental sex between couples to be rape even though it kind of is)

[Nadkor]

I appreciate that you're new and everything, but over the last two and a bit weeks we've had two threads, covering 241 pages, filled with "ordinary well-adjusted males" demonstrating that their understanding of rape and consent is seriously flawed. So much so that people who initially felt that there was no need to educate people about rape and consent have since changed their minds.

So, no. I don't buy for a second the argument that anywhere near enough males understand rape and consent.

To be honest, i think everyone understands just fine. Acknowledging it is another issue.

Also trolls (and not the bridge troll kind)

All the available evidence (i.e. from those 241 pages) suggests that they don't, though. That's the thing.

Which brings me on to...

Not to mention most of the actual rapists are sexual predators who do it even though they know it is wrong. (One could say that i don't see for example non-consental sex between couples to be rape even though it kind of is)

...the fact that you need to be educated about rape and consent.


I mean, it's almost hilarious. As many people noted, every time someone says that they don't think that there needs to be education about rape and consent that very same person goes on to demonstrate that they don't fully understand rape and consent and help prove the point.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Yeah most rape is really from people who don't think what they're doing is rape.

[Neo Art]

I mean, it's almost hilarious. As many people noted, every time someone says that they don't think that there needs to be education about rape and consent that very same person goes on to demonstrate that they don't fully understand rape and consent and help prove the point.

I've been watching this for days now, and I've started almost counting down "he says he knows what rape is, how many posts until he demonstrates he doesn't know what rape is?"

EVERY TIME the answer has been "one"

[Aghny]

All the available evidence (i.e. from those 241 pages) suggests that they don't, though. That's the thing.

Which brings me on to...

Not to mention most of the actual rapists are sexual predators who do it even though they know it is wrong. (One could say that i don't see for example non-consental sex between couples to be rape even though it kind of is)

...the fact that you need to be educated about rape and consent.


I mean, it's almost hilarious. As many people noted, every time someone says that they don't think that there needs to be education about rape and consent that very same person goes on to demonstrate that they don't fully understand rape and consent and help prove the point.

Well, like i said, almost everyone know what it is. But that doesn't mean they have to acknowledge it. Also everyone has different definitions and opinions on things.

I don't see it as a problem though unless they are for example actively going around trying to find possible victims.

As in my case for example. My wife doesn't mind and i don't really ask for her consent. Doesn't mean that i don't love her or see her as nothing more than a sex toy. If she says stop, ofcourse i would stop, but that isn't because it is "rape", but because i love her.

Anyways i am not really going to argue my case as no matter what nothing will change my view on it.


Also, see how it means that i know what rape is but i simply don't care ? No amount of awareness is going to change that. Because they are aware. It is like saying that murderers should be taught that killing someone is wrong.

Note: I am not saying that rape isn't a problem or anything. Just my 2 cents as it were.

And if i am to be classified as a rapist just because i don't see alot of these so called rape as rapes, then so be it. Just different opinions. Though i would prefer if no one think of me that way

[The Emerald Dawn]

All the available evidence (i.e. from those 241 pages) suggests that they don't, though. That's the thing.

Which brings me on to...



...the fact that you need to be educated about rape and consent.


I mean, it's almost hilarious. As many people noted, every time someone says that they don't think that there needs to be education about rape and consent that very same person goes on to demonstrate that they don't fully understand rape and consent and help prove the point.

Well, like i said, almost everyone know what it is. But that doesn't mean they have to acknowledge it. Also everyone has different definitions and opinions on things.

I don't see it as a problem though unless they are for example actively going around trying to find possible victims.

As in my case for example. My wife doesn't mind and i don't really ask for her consent. Doesn't mean that i don't love her or see her as nothing more than a sex toy. If she says stop, ofcourse i would stop, but that isn't because it is "rape", but because i love her.

Anyways i am not really going to argue my case as no matter what nothing will change my view on it.


Also, see how it means that i know what rape is but i simply don't care ? No amount of awareness is going to change that. Because they are aware. It is like saying that murderers should be taught that killing someone is wrong.

Note: I am not saying that rape isn't a problem or anything. Just my 2 cents as it were.

Aghny, you're guilty of an underlying misunderstanding of the bulk of rapes.

[Nadkor]

As in my case for example. My wife doesn't mind and i don't really ask for her consent. Doesn't mean that i don't love her or see her as nothing more than a sex toy. If she says stop, ofcourse i would stop, but that isn't because it is "rape", but because i love her.

You...you would only stop having sex with a woman who clearly withdrew consent not because you worry about raping her but if you loved her?

That's...

Yeah.

Fucking hell.

Also, see how it means that i know what rape is but i simply don't care ?

No.

That's not what it means.

Everything you have written shows that you don't know what rape is.

[Aghny]

Aghny, you're guilty of an underlying misunderstanding of the bulk of rapes.

More like i don't see them as rapes. Reminds me of a line from "mummy" :

"This is cursed, that is cursed... everything is cursed with you" or something like that.

The problem is its clear cut definitions are subjective in nature.

[Nadkor]

Aghny, you're guilty of an underlying misunderstanding of the bulk of rapes.

More like i don't see them as rapes.

Exactly.

[Aghny]

As in my case for example. My wife doesn't mind and i don't really ask for her consent. Doesn't mean that i don't love her or see her as nothing more than a sex toy. If she says stop, ofcourse i would stop, but that isn't because it is "rape", but because i love her.

You...you would only stop having sex with a woman who clearly withdrew consent not because you worry about raping her but if you loved her?

That's...

Yeah.

Fucking hell.

Wife. Different matter altogether. And yeah, according to your definition of rape, i am pretty much a rapist lol and so is she so, i don't really see myself "worrying about raping" her.

Also, see how it means that i know what rape is but i simply don't care ?

No.

That's now what it means.

Everything you have written shows that you don't know what rape is.

Yet i understand your view perfectly fine. I just choose not to follow it.

[Aghny]

More like i don't see them as rapes.

Exactly.

Because they aren't in a sense.

[Nadkor]

Exactly.

Because they aren't in a sense.

In the sense that you're fucking someone without their consent?

Yeah, I totally see what you mean. That's completely different to fucking someone without their consent.

[Aghny]

Because they aren't in a sense.

In the sense that you're fucking someone without their consent?

Yeah, I totally see what you mean. That's completely different to fucking someone without their consent.

I meant as in i see rape as physically subjugating someone and then forcibly having sex with them.
Everything else depends on alot of factors that i won't classify them without the full story.

[Saiwania]

I often wonder if these people realize what they are saying at all. By arguing that indecently dressed women are asking to be raped, they're also saying that men are lustful animal who are unable to control their urges if they see exposed flesh. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

The problem is that Islam itself is a rape culture, but especially so when Shariah law is in place. The 4 male witnesses requirement for a woman to prove that a rape took place is specifically designed so that rapists are able to get away while the victim will be punished for adultery or sex outside of marriage.

But how Muslims can possibly look up to Muhammad as the perfect and most righteous person is beyond me. It is well known that he was a violent warlord who approved of rape, murder, and slavery.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muham ... u-rape.htm

[Esternial]

Have you ever considered that ordinary well-adjusted males might know perfectly well that 1. consent is a requirement before sex and 2. might feel insulted if you imply otherwise?

I appreciate that you're new and everything, but over the last two and a bit weeks we've had two threads, covering 241 pages, filled with "ordinary well-adjusted males" demonstrating that their understanding of rape and consent is seriously flawed. So much so that people who initially felt that there was no need to educate people about rape and consent have since changed their minds.

So, no. I don't buy for a second the argument that anywhere near enough males understand rape and consent.

I'm not even sure if I do, which I why I don't have sex *nod*

[Cannot think of a name]

You...you would only stop having sex with a woman who clearly withdrew consent not because you worry about raping her but if you loved her?

That's...

Yeah.

Fucking hell.

Wife. Different matter altogether. And yeah, according to your definition of rape, i am pretty much a rapist lol and so is she so, i don't really see myself "worrying about raping" her.

No.

That's now what it means.

Everything you have written shows that you don't know what rape is.

Yet i understand your view perfectly fine. I just choose not to follow it.

This really isn't a poh-Tay-to po-ta-to kind of thing.

[Individuality-ness]

In the sense that you're fucking someone without their consent?

Yeah, I totally see what you mean. That's completely different to fucking someone without their consent.

I meant as in i see rape as physically subjugating someone and then forcibly having sex with them.
Everything else depends on alot of factors that i won't classify them without the full story.

Yeah, you don't know what rape is.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I meant as in i see rape as physically subjugating someone and then forcibly having sex with them.
Everything else depends on alot of factors that i won't classify them without the full story.

Yeah, you don't know what rape is.

When a monkey loves another monkey just a little more than is healthy for anyone....

[Aghny]

I meant as in i see rape as physically subjugating someone and then forcibly having sex with them.
Everything else depends on alot of factors that i won't classify them without the full story.

Yeah, you don't know what rape is.

One could see it the other way too. As in you might be considering things that are not rape to be rape.

As i previously said, it is subjective. Similar to morals for example, or for a even more related example, accidents to murders or perhaps killing someone in self defence.

[Ayreonia]

I often wonder if these people realize what they are saying at all. By arguing that indecently dressed women are asking to be raped, they're also saying that men are lustful animal who are unable to control their urges if they see exposed flesh. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

The problem is that Islam itself is a rape culture, but especially so when Shariah law is in place. The 4 male witnesses requirement for a woman to prove that a rape took place is specifically designed so that rapists are able to get away while the victim will be punished for adultery or sex outside of marriage.

But how Muslims can possibly look up to Muhammad as the perfect and most righteous person is beyond me. It is well known that he was a violent warlord who approved of rape, murder, and slavery.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muham ... u-rape.htm

I don't believe in a "rape culture", but it's clear that Islam can be called a culture that endorses, nay, encourages, violence, including but not limited to rape. I say this, even if I risk being called a racist (which would be a wrong term to use, anyway).

[Aghny]

The problem is that Islam itself is a rape culture, but especially so when Shariah law is in place. The 4 male witnesses requirement for a woman to prove that a rape took place is specifically designed so that rapists are able to get away while the victim will be punished for adultery or sex outside of marriage.

But how Muslims can possibly look up to Muhammad as the perfect and most righteous person is beyond me. It is well known that he was a violent warlord who approved of rape, murder, and slavery.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muham ... u-rape.htm

I don't believe in a "rape culture", but it's clear that Islam can be called a culture that endorses, nay, encourages, violence, including but not limited to rape. I say this, even if I risk being called a racist (which would be a wrong term to use, anyway).

While i myself am not an islamist, from what i know, the religion itself doesn't or didn't advocate these practices. But humans in general are good at finding ways to pervert things.

Note: like i said it is from what i know, so doesn't necessarily have to be true.

[Individuality-ness]

Yeah, you don't know what rape is.

One could see it the other way too. As in you might be considering things that are not rape to be rape.

As i previously said, it is subjective. Similar to morals for example, or for a even more related example, accidents to murders or perhaps killing someone in self defence.

Rape: committing nonconsensual sexual activities. I fail to see what is subjective about this.