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1423 (Ancient)
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Postby 1423 (Ancient) » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:36 am

I think this is a form of socialism. Liberal socialism I think?

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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:37 am

I'm sorry

I want to great a better world but I just dont know how.
I have ideas but i'm not sure if they will work.

I have good ideas but i just don't know how they can work in the real world.

I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.

I'm from the Netherlands.
I live in The Netherlands.
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Risottia
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:37 am

1423 wrote:I think this is a form of socialism. Liberal socialism I think?

Low income taxes and high VAT look more right-wing-ish, actually.
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Ashkland
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Postby Ashkland » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:38 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm Melvin and i'm 16 years old.

I want to make up a new ideology where everyone will be happy.
With Free education and free Healthcare.

With a government that helps the people in need.

That does not take our freedom where you can be free with low taxes.

A medium sized government.

A society where all classes work together and without hate and intolerance and for peace and security.

Does this exist today or not?

Does it matter what you want? It is impossible, so no.
The thing about ideology is that it should be the closest realistic political philosophy to your ideal.
What you showed here, is an impossible ideal and not more than that.
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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:39 am

Risottia wrote:
1423 wrote:I think this is a form of socialism. Liberal socialism I think?

Low income taxes and high VAT look more right-wing-ish, actually.

I said that i'm for a mix between right wing and left wing.
I live in The Netherlands.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:39 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.

I'm from the Netherlands.


Actually, the United Provinces were quite rich on their own, until the Spaniards colonized them.

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Risottia wrote:Low income taxes and high VAT look more right-wing-ish, actually.

I said that i'm for a mix between right wing and left wing.


Yup, but your mix doesn't seem to work fiscally. You can't keep taxes low and provide a lot of free services anyway.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:40 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm sorry

I want to great a better world but I just dont know how.
I have ideas but i'm not sure if they will work.

I have good ideas but i just don't know how they can work in the real world.

I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.

I'm from the Netherlands.


I recommend studying existing ideologies before trying to think one up yourself.
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Desperate Measures
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:40 am

Vatican Supremacy wrote:All I want is a world without filthy liberals who try to take away my religion and my guns

Ha-ha! Soon, we liberals shall have all the guns and gods!
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:40 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Define "living freely". Also, how do you plan to end hate?

Freedom of speech and democartic elections and all freedoms we have in Europe.

My plan too end hate is being pacifist and with education programs about all races and classes.

Education programs about classes? Oh dear.

"Right, you lot, pay attention! 'Dis here is a "poor person", they ain't got no designer clothes, no sushi, and no smart-fone-thingies. … Alright, alright, quiet down, I know it sounds hard to believe, but it's da truth. 'Dey didn't choose to live like this, 'dey wuz born 'dis way.

Now, what we have 'ere is a "upper class posh", also known as a barmy git wif' more money 'dan sense. Note the silver spoon, and vest that costs more 'dan youse will make in a month. It all balances out, tho', cuz' the fing' is, he can't tie his own shoes wif'out a map."
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:40 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm sorry

I want to great a better world but I just dont know how.
I have ideas but i'm not sure if they will work.

I have good ideas but i just don't know how they can work in the real world.

I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.

I'm from the Netherlands.


You can help by staying in school, stay off drugs, and get educated. And afterwards work hard in whatever talent you have.
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Risottia
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:41 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Freedom of speech and democartic elections and all freedoms we have in Europe.

My plan too end hate is being pacifist and with education programs about all races and classes.

Education programs about classes? Oh dear.

"Right, you lot, pay attention! 'Dis here is a "poor person", they ain't got no designer clothes, no sushi, and no smart-fone-thingies. … Alright, alright, quiet down, I know it sounds hard to believe, but it's da truth. 'Dey didn't choose to live like this, 'dey wuz born 'dis way.

Now, what we have 'ere is a "upper class posh", also known as a barmy git wif' more money 'dan sense. Note the silver spoon, and vest that costs more 'dan youse will make in a month. It all balances out, tho', cuz' the fing' is, he can't tie his own shoes wif'out a map."


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Kilobugya
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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:41 am

That's more or less what social democracy is about. Not too bad it itself (even if not fully optimal), but sadly unstable. One side will get the upper hand and break the consensus, as the bourgeoisie is doing in Europe since a few decades, using its superior might (due to many factors) to disband one by one the conquests of social democracy.
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Brition
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Postby Brition » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:41 am

Risottia wrote:
Vatican Supremacy wrote:All I want is a world without filthy liberals who try to take away my religion and my guns

Not sure if sarcastic or trollish.


Maybe its a genuine opinion expressed by a individual making full use of his or her right to freedom of speech and expression.
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Desperate Measures
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:42 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I'm sorry

I want to great a better world but I just dont know how.
I have ideas but i'm not sure if they will work.

I have good ideas but i just don't know how they can work in the real world.

I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.

I'm from the Netherlands.


I recommend studying ideologies before trying to think one up yourself.

Actually, there's something to be said for trying to come up with what you instinctively believe and then expanding your knowledge. You usually don't make public statements before expanding your knowledge, though.
"My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music."
- Vladimir Nabokov US (1899 - 1977)
Also, me.
“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”
- Fyodor Dostoyevsky Russian Novelist and Writer, 1821-1881
"All Clock Faces Are Wrong." - Gene Ray, Prophet(?) http://www.timecube.com
A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

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Postby Quintium » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:42 am

Risottia wrote:Actually, the United Provinces were quite rich on their own, until the Spaniards colonized them.


Actually, that's not true; those provinces were only united in their struggle against Spain. That struggle, meanwhile, was only succesful because Spain thought it could introduce a punitive tax on the people living there. The areas that would later form the United Provinces were somewhat wealthy, but only really became wealthy in the years after 1585.

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I want too help the people because i want to do something back because my country became rich from colonies and plundering the world.


Oh, stop the apologism. In that respect, Risottia is right - the Netherlands based most of its wealth on wheat trade with the Baltic region and local commerce.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:44 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Vatican Supremacy wrote:All I want is a world without filthy liberals who try to take away my religion and my guns

Ha-ha! Soon, we liberals shall have all the guns and gods!


Comrade DM, the LiberalGodlessCommieInternational spotted some right-wing religious gun nutters! Notify Comrade Polkovnik Thor that we need the 3rd Olympian Airborne, the Mavors Guards, Valkyrie support, and the Naiad Marines!
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:45 am

Brition wrote:
Risottia wrote:Not sure if sarcastic or trollish.


Maybe its a genuine opinion expressed by a individual making full use of his or her right to freedom of speech and expression.


There is no such thing in NS.
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Postby Americanada » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:46 am

Have you ever heard of the personal fable/adolescent egocentrism? It is something most teenagers have, and one of the effects it has is that the people who have it are very prone to the nirvana fallacy.

No, there has never been a perfect solution in politics. The world is not made of perfect solutions and solutions that destroy everything.

Know that someday, you will not feel the compulsion to pose in the mirror for the "imaginary audience". You will not be omniscient. You will not be invincible. You will not be unique in a planet with billions of people, and that is okay. You will stop destroying yourself in unique ways. Your understanding will get better with time. Your identity is probably just starting to solidify. Just know that most people do not look upon their 16 year-old selves fondly, and that is a sign of progress.
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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:05 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
I recommend studying ideologies before trying to think one up yourself.

Actually, there's something to be said for trying to come up with what you instinctively believe and then expanding your knowledge. You usually don't make public statements before expanding your knowledge, though.

My knowledge is more big in Games and Computers and i like history.
Im still looking what would be the best for my country,
Too left is wrong.
Too right is wrong.
I'm thinking of a mix of both with much freedom but a government that actually cares about it's people.
I live in The Netherlands.
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Risottia
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:06 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Too left is wrong.
Too right is wrong.


Why isn't "too centrist" wrong, too? :D
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:08 am

Risottia wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Too left is wrong.
Too right is wrong.


Why isn't "too centrist" wrong, too? :D

Because i don't realy know what a Centrist believes.
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1423 (Ancient)
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Postby 1423 (Ancient) » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:11 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Vatican Supremacy wrote:All I want is a world without filthy liberals who try to take away my religion and my guns

Ha-ha! Soon, we liberals shall have all the guns and gods!

And white slaves to make us equal in treatment with blacks.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:13 am

Risottia wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Too left is wrong.
Too right is wrong.


Why isn't "too centrist" wrong, too? :D


Because I'm never wrong, doh!
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:13 am

1423 wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Ha-ha! Soon, we liberals shall have all the guns and gods!

And white slaves to make us equal in treatment with blacks.

This is the weirdest site i have ever been on.
I have never seen such imagination and funny jokes.
I live in The Netherlands.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:14 am

If everyone has 'free' healthcare and 'free' education, how on earth is it possible for everyone to be happy?

Surely those who have to pay for the 'free' stuff you're giving away to others won't be so ecstatic about your new ideology?
You know what? I quit, this place blows.

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