Maryland close to eliminating death penalty

[Ceannairceach]

Then a rape victim got killed so he could get convicted. I'd rather the victim live.

Why?

Did you seriously just ask why I'd like for a rape victim to not get murdered?

[Ordealius]

That's logic, not math. And maybe that second thought makes them think about leaving their victim alive. Maybe they do. Jassyworth is correct.

No. Killing their victims would mean a lesser chance of getting caught. Learn to read.

Can I have a witness!

[Lonara]

So my state is replacing the death penalty with life-sentencing. Personally, I think this is another great step towards fixing the broken prison system. What are your thoughts, NSG? Progress, or stupid move?

As a Marylander, I am against this. It will just overtax our already painfully overpopulated prisons.

[Ceannairceach]

As an American, I reject the notion that the safety of the many must come at the cost of the few.

It was a joke. I don't hold that belief either.

This is no time for jokes.

Someone is wrong. On the internet.

[Threlizdun]

Then a rape victim got killed so he could get convicted. I'd rather the victim live.

Why?

Do they need to fucking explain to you why it is better that someone doesn't get murdered?

[British Prussia]

Why?

Did you seriously just ask why I'd like for a rape victim to not get murdered?

Oh, lol, I misread that, I thought you meant rapist...

[Ceannairceach]

No. Killing their victims would mean a lesser chance of getting caught. Learn to read.

Can I have a witness!

Good point. Witnesses would also get killed.

[Demen 2]

Even if that means torturing innocents, killing innocents, and oppressing innocents?

Freedom before safety.

You are focusing too much on the few innocents who are tortured and not on the bigger picture of having so many more innocents lives SAVED because terrorists were pr-emptively taken out based on extracted information.

Do you think terrorism somehow magically doesn't exist now? You think that the killing of Osama Bin Laden was the end?

[Cosara]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

[Lonara]

You are focusing too much on the few innocents who are tortured and not on the bigger picture of having so many more innocents lives SAVED because terrorists were pr-emptively taken out based on extracted information.

Do you think terrorism somehow magically doesn't exist now? You think that the killing of Osama Bin Laden was the end?

It didn't hurt.

[Condunum]

So my state is replacing the death penalty with life-sentencing. Personally, I think this is another great step towards fixing the broken prison system. What are your thoughts, NSG? Progress, or stupid move?

As a Marylander, I am against this. It will just overtax our already painfully overpopulated prisons.

It doesn't increase the cost of prisons. And what's overtaxing our prison system is the victimless crimes, such as light drug users.

[Condunum]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

Eye for an eye is a stupid ideal.

[Ordealius]

Can I have a witness!

Good point. Witnesses would also get killed.

Technically, the victim is a witness, the witness is a...well...witness, and the murderer is a witness. The only live one, alas, is a big liar.

[British Prussia]

So my state is replacing the death penalty with life-sentencing. Personally, I think this is another great step towards fixing the broken prison system. What are your thoughts, NSG? Progress, or stupid move?

As a Marylander, I am against this. It will just overtax our already painfully overpopulated prisons.

Turn prisons into colosseums. That way, it will provide a source of revenue and entertainment.

[Ceannairceach]

Even if that means torturing innocents, killing innocents, and oppressing innocents?

Freedom before safety.

You are focusing too much on the few innocents who are tortured and not on the bigger picture of having so many more innocents lives SAVED because terrorists were pr-emptively taken out based on extracted information.

I'd rather one thousand evildoers go free than have one innocent man hurt in their capture. Anyone who says otherwise is unamerican.

[Ceannairceach]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

So you want to execute those who kill in self defense? Or those that kill without knowledge? What the hell, man?

[Cosara]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

Eye for an eye is a stupid ideal.

I don't think it is.

[Lonara]

As a Marylander, I am against this. It will just overtax our already painfully overpopulated prisons.

It doesn't increase the cost of prisons. And what's overtaxing our prison system is the victimless crimes, such as light drug users.

I agree that drug use shouldn't mandate prison sentences, but until it doesn't, we don't need to stop executing major felons.

[Jassysworth 1]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

Eye for an eye is a stupid ideal.

It's a thing called... JOOSTICE.

If someone screws over the innocent then he deserves to be screwed over himself. It's that simple. The second person who is doing the screwing is different from the first because the first was doing it against an innocent and doing so unlawfully.

[Ceannairceach]

Good point. Witnesses would also get killed.

Technically, the victim is a witness, the witness is a...well...witness, and the murderer is a witness. The only live one, alas, is a big liar.

So you agree that execution does nothing to help the victim, witnesses, or the prosecutors? Good to know.

[Ceannairceach]

Eye for an eye is a stupid ideal.

It's a thing called... JOOSTICE.

If someone screws over the innocent then he deserves to be screwed over himself. It's that simple. The second person who is doing the screwing is different from the first because the first was doing it against an innocent and doing so unlawfully.

The thing is that the death penalty is not "joostice", its vengeance. The two are not equatable.

[Demen 2]

http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001000


There are a lot more sources stating that the death penalty does not in fact cost less than life sentencing.


As for how reliable this is, I don't know. it took 5 minutes to find.

[Ceannairceach]

Eye for an eye is a stupid ideal.

I don't think it is.

Well, you're wrong.

[Threlizdun]

I'd rather one thousand evildoers go free than have one innocent man hurt in their capture. Anyone who says otherwise is unamerican.

Now don't say that. That is insulting to those of us who oppose the idea of national identity. Those who believe it is best to kill innocents to apprehend murderers are inhuman.

[Cosara]

I hold the position that if you take someone's life, you should have your life taken from you.

So you want to execute those who kill in self defense? Or those that kill without knowledge? What the hell, man?

I exclude self defense or accidents. I go by the official definition of murder

Definition of Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing on one human by another.