Maryland close to eliminating death penalty

[Condunum]

was it not one of the founding fathers that stated "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer"
relevance is that if you kill someone you can't unkill them and apologise, and allow them a chance to live there life.

Yes and they also were fine with the Death Penalty even though they also included the "cruel and usual" clause in the 8th amendment, which means the death penalty was never meant to be illegal or unconstitutional.

And yet, the interpretation of things change with time, don't they?

[Rereumrari]

Appeals over a lifetime in prison will still add up to be the same as someone who spends a year appealing on death row. It's a constant and will cost the same over time no matter what. You only add more to the cost when you start paying for his rent for decades.

Even if this is true, why should we have the death penalty?

The death penalty is only suitable for murderers who have killed multiple people and don't seem to have any problems with killing more to escape prision. Their complete disregard for life makes them a threat to the guards and other inmates in prison and a threat to the lives of more people if they escape (which is very possible). With the right to life comes the responsiblity to respect the lives of others, if you don't, then you lose that right to life because you're a danger to society.

[Frisivisia]

Even if this is true, why should we have the death penalty?

The death penalty is only suitable for murderers who have killed multiple people and don't seem to have any problems with killing more to escape prision. Their complete disregard for life makes them a threat to the guards and other inmates in prison and a threat to the lives of more people if they escape (which is very possible). With the right to life comes the responsiblity to respect the lives of others, if you don't, then you lose that right to life because you're a danger to society.

What about the guy who gets falsely convicted of wrongdoing and gets killed?

[Chestaan]

Even if this is true, why should we have the death penalty?

The death penalty is only suitable for murderers who have killed multiple people and don't seem to have any problems with killing more to escape prision. Their complete disregard for life makes them a threat to the guards and other inmates in prison and a threat to the lives of more people if they escape (which is very possible). With the right to life comes the responsiblity to respect the lives of others, if you don't, then you lose that right to life because you're a danger to society.

How many people who have committed multiple murders have actually escaped from prison in the US in, say, the last ten years? You said that escape is very possible, so I assume the number is enormous, or are you just talking crap?

[Rereumrari]

The death penalty is only suitable for murderers who have killed multiple people and don't seem to have any problems with killing more to escape prision. Their complete disregard for life makes them a threat to the guards and other inmates in prison and a threat to the lives of more people if they escape (which is very possible). With the right to life comes the responsiblity to respect the lives of others, if you don't, then you lose that right to life because you're a danger to society.

What about the guy who gets falsely convicted of wrongdoing and gets killed?

It was probably easier for that to happen a century ago when we didn't have forensics and mostly depended on witnesses and circumstantial evidence to convict, but technology these days makes it easy to prove someone's guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

[Ainin]

Yay Maryland! Now if the rest of the states realized that it still isn't too late to killing the death penalty (I made a bad pun!).

[Nailed to the Perch]

There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

You watch a lot of CSI, don't you?

[Rereumrari]

The death penalty is only suitable for murderers who have killed multiple people and don't seem to have any problems with killing more to escape prision. Their complete disregard for life makes them a threat to the guards and other inmates in prison and a threat to the lives of more people if they escape (which is very possible). With the right to life comes the responsiblity to respect the lives of others, if you don't, then you lose that right to life because you're a danger to society.

How many people who have committed multiple murders have actually escaped from prison in the US in, say, the last ten years? You said that escape is very possible, so I assume the number is enormous, or are you just talking crap?

I never said it was enormous. Even if just one murderer escaped prison in the last 10 years and killed just one person, that shows that the system failed to protect that one person when they could have by issuing the death penalty.

[Ainin]

There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

You watch a lot of CSI, don't you?

^ This. See CSI Effect.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I have no moral objection to the death penalty for certain crimes but abolishing it is better than risking innocent or mentally ill people being executed.

[Chestaan]

How many people who have committed multiple murders have actually escaped from prison in the US in, say, the last ten years? You said that escape is very possible, so I assume the number is enormous, or are you just talking crap?

I never said it was enormous. Even if just one murderer escaped prison in the last 10 years and killed just one person, that shows that the system failed to protect that one person when they could have by issuing the death penalty.

You specifically said that escape was very possible and I'm asking you to prove it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that the benefits of not having the death penalty, such as having zero chance of executing somebody falsely, outweigh any negatives such as a possibility of escape.

[Rereumrari]

You watch a lot of CSI, don't you?

^ This. See CSI Effect.

If the only evidence against the murderer is circumstantial, then no death penalty. It's that simple.

[Frisivisia]

What about the guy who gets falsely convicted of wrongdoing and gets killed?

It was probably easier for that to happen a century ago when we didn't have forensics and mostly depended on witnesses and circumstantial evidence to convict, but technology these days makes it easy to prove someone's guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

Tasty, but it needs more sauce.

[Rereumrari]

I never said it was enormous. Even if just one murderer escaped prison in the last 10 years and killed just one person, that shows that the system failed to protect that one person when they could have by issuing the death penalty.

You specifically said that escape was very possible and I'm asking you to prove it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that the benefits of not having the death penalty, such as having zero chance of executing somebody falsely, outweigh any negatives such as a possibility of escape.

Even if they never escape, they are still a big threat to the inmates in there who the prison is also supposed to protect. I shouldnt have to die in prison just because I was paired with a murderer.

[TaQud]

Good for you Maryland. Good for you..

[Chestaan]

You specifically said that escape was very possible and I'm asking you to prove it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that the benefits of not having the death penalty, such as having zero chance of executing somebody falsely, outweigh any negatives such as a possibility of escape.

Even if they never escape, they are still a big threat to the inmates in there who the prison is also supposed to protect. I shouldnt have to die in prison just because I was paired with a murderer.

Don't they give high-risk inmates, such as murderers, their own cells? Even if they don't currently it would be an easy solution to worrying about your roomate killing you.

[Rereumrari]

Even if they never escape, they are still a big threat to the inmates in there who the prison is also supposed to protect. I shouldnt have to die in prison just because I was paired with a murderer.

Don't they give high-risk inmates, such as murderers, their own cells? Even if they don't currently it would be an easy solution to worrying about your roomate killing you.

They do, but you still have to eat and shower with most of the prison population, which is where prison murders tend to happen.

[Wisconsin9]

[Frisivisia]

Don't they give high-risk inmates, such as murderers, their own cells? Even if they don't currently it would be an easy solution to worrying about your roomate killing you.

They do, but you still have to eat and shower with most of the prison population, which is where prison murders tend to happen.

Source?

[New Octopucta]

Good for Maryland. This state has always been a little weird. We're a bunch of lefties economically, but a lot of people are socially conservative, and so we're behind the curve on a lot of social issues (gay marriage and now the death penalty excluded).

[Condunum]

Don't they give high-risk inmates, such as murderers, their own cells? Even if they don't currently it would be an easy solution to worrying about your roomate killing you.

They do, but you still have to eat and shower with most of the prison population, which is where prison murders tend to happen.

They have this magical thing they call a high-security prison. Do you know who they are for? High risk prisoners. Do you know who isn't in them? Everyone else. So if your roommate is a murderer, you're probably one too. Or a rapist. Or something else extreme.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

One step closer to a more civil society. There are a lot of things wrongs in Maryland politics, but this is not one of them. I hope it passes.

[Condunum]

Good for Maryland. This state has always been a little weird. We're a bunch of lefties economically, but a lot of people are socially conservative, and so we're behind the curve on a lot of social issues (gay marriage and now the death penalty excluded).

Yeah, it has to do with the fact that Maryland is the deformed baby you get when you cross "southern values" with New England/Northern Central lifestyle. it results in some strange mores.

[AETEN II]

What about the guy who gets falsely convicted of wrongdoing and gets killed?

It was probably easier for that to happen a century ago when we didn't have forensics and mostly depended on witnesses and circumstantial evidence to convict, but technology these days makes it easy to prove someone's guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

Easy.

Kill somebody in a Hazmat suit.

Or hell, you could take crime into the space-age and kill someone with a high-powered laser.

[Ceannairceach]

Cool shit.