Golden Dawn in Greece

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Okay. I hope the Greeks get a referendum and vote NO to continued EU membership. That's what we'll be doing in Britain the minute we get the chance. Or do you think the EU won't become a country some day?

I hope it does become one fully democratic country.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

In which case your original claim about him being great-souled makes no sense.

Even the great souled can lose wars when stacked against impossible odds. Also I never said the Allies WEREN'T Great Souled. Some were.

The opinion polls linked to by one of their members earlier showed 10%. if you've got any different ones, can we see them?

Behold

Given that a socialist party is the second-largest and has almost as much support as the current leaders, ND, how can you plausibly claim that Greece is moving towards fascism?

Syriza doesn't have a consistent vision. Once this becomes apparent, the last obstacle to GD's rise is gone.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Okay. I hope the Greeks get a referendum and vote NO to continued EU membership. That's what we'll be doing in Britain the minute we get the chance. Or do you think the EU won't become a country some day?

I hope it does become one fully democratic country.

I hope the EU falls apart and all traitors involved in the project are publicly executed for trying to destroy Europe. Starting with Ashton, Barosso and Van Rompouy

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The opinion polls linked to by one of their members earlier showed 10%. if you've got any different ones, can we see them?

Behold

Ah, right. Golden Dawn's own blog that doesn't actually link to the poll it "cites".

I hope it does become one fully democratic country.

I hope the EU falls apart and all traitors involved in the project are publicly executed for trying to destroy Europe. Starting with Ashton, Barosso and Van Rompuy.

You're aware that Europe as one would be stronger than Europe as 32 different states, right?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

You're aware that Europe as one would be stronger than Europe as 32 different states, right?

Not the way their doing it. The current EU is a bloated Bureaucratic international institution, led by idiotic and hypocritical fools.
The nations of Europe are stronger independent then as part of some bleeding heart UN wannabie.

[Thesan]

I live in Greece, so I kinda feel obliged to post my opinion about GD (Golden Dawn).

GD is a political party that is around for around 30 years or so. In these 30 years, the party was getting 0,5%-0,2% in the national elections and their views were very radical. The vast majority of people was either hating them or haven't heard of them and their power was small (contrary to their dedication).

In the latest elections, that party went from that 0,2% to 7% and for good reasons. The first reason this happened (in my opinion) is the fall of a populist right wing party which caused many people to move from there to the GD. That party's beliefs were nowhere near the ones of GD, though. People still chose the latter because GD advertises itself as a new, dedicated right-wing nationalist party that supposedly has the solutions on the economic crisis and immigration problem.

The second, and most important reason, is illegal immigration problem. This is a huge social problem we have, most likely the biggest at the moment. It is estimated that more than 2 million illegal immigrants live in a nation with a population of ~10 million (and declining, this includes legal immigrants). The problem is so bad that some small islands have now 3 or 4 times as many illegal immigrants as natives. Needless to say that these people have no job and use other methods to get money. This is why many desperate people turn to GD to help them*. Combine that with the economic crisis and you can see why some go from center to far-right wing.

Obviously, the GD's "old" members are the last ones who want to see these problems solved. Once we either integrate the immigrants into the society, or deport/send them to Europe, the people won't have a reason to vote for them anymore and will go for less extreme, more "sane" alternatives. This is why GD doesn't have a certain program of dealing with the issue either than the "reclaim the streets, throw them to the sea" one. They literally feed on the nation's misfortunes.

This is why I believe that this party, despite how scary it's ascension may seem, will eventually either shrink and/or change into something less radical. It all depends on if and when we will decide to implement working solutions on the immigration issue, as well as when our economy will get better.

(*help them = cowardly beating the helpless immigrants who actually contribute to the society while ignoring any organized immigrant gangs.)


Sources (because I'm obviously lying):

* wikipedia covers everything about the demographics.
* The total number of illegal immigrants is always a speculation, but it's widely believed it's at least 1 million.
* I live in a city area with many immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Mmmh interesting, but even after this clarification I still believe that the Greek situation is way too much similar to Weimar Republic.
Ah, well I still have to approve this point: the EU totally failed the integration/assimilation system of the immigrants... this will cause very big problems in the future, and for me Greece is only the appetizer.

[Lancearc]

Praise be to Lord Dagon.

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Wait, I thought it said 'Mythic' dawn.

On a more serious note, no, I do not support them.

[Toronina]

Praise be to Lord Dagon.

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Wait, I thought it said 'Mythic' dawn.

On a more serious note, no, I do not support them.

Wait you suppport the Mythic Dawn? Do you realise they killed the Emperor you fool *Shakes you while talking*

[Hesse]

The Greek people need Golden Dawn in order to perserve their culture and country. I support them.

[Toronina]

The Greek people need Golden Dawn in order to perserve their culture and country. I support them.

The Greek people will be renamed the Aryan People should they win, THEY ARE THE NAZI PEOPLE FOOLS!

[Hesse]

The Greek people need Golden Dawn in order to perserve their culture and country. I support them.

The Greek people will be renamed the Aryan People should they win, THEY ARE THE NAZI PEOPLE FOOLS!

And what's the issue with this?

[L Ron Cupboard]

Desperate times and a fascist party will appear ready to make outlandish promises and appeal to the lowest common denominator. And once they get power they do shit all.

[Fintanland]

And what's the issue with this?

Well, the stuff that happened the last time when the Nazis took power?

[Yanitza]

No way, disagree with a lot of things to do with the Golden Dawn. First of all for a country that venerates it's past, supporting a neo nazi party is just spitting on those who fought in world war 2 as partisans to ensure that Greece did not end up Colonized by the Italians and Bulgarians. Not to mention the fact that Ionnis Metaxas 4th of August regime (very fascist like) did not exactly the country a whole world of good

[Volnotova]

Nationalism is as pathetic and poisonous as tribalism, but occasionally useful if you want to manipulate people large scale.

Thank you for calling our nation pathetic and poisonous (or just the many among us).

[Acrainia]

If the Greeks are stupid enough to legitimately vote an openly fascist party into power, they deserve whatever political and social shenanigans come of it.

[Elmo Logic]

Golden Dawn need their throats cut

[Transnapastain]

Golden Dawn need their throats cut

Surely there is a better way to express your point than by advocating violence against a group of people?

You should probably read this as "Find a better way to express your viewpoint then by than by advocating violence..."

In case it was unclear, this was an unofficial warning for extremist language / trolling

[Elmo Logic]

But what if my viewpoint is 'Fascists should be opposed with violence'?
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Or are we only allowed to have pacifist opinions on here?

[Transnapastain]

Golden Dawn need their throats cut

Surely there is a better way to express your point than by advocating violence against a group of people?

You should probably read this as "Find a better way to express your viewpoint then by than by advocating violence..."

In case it was unclear, this was an unofficial warning for extremist language / trolling

But what if my viewpoint is 'Fascists should be opposed with violence'?
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Or are we only allowed to have pacifist opinions on here?

You'll want to find a better way of phrasing it than the avocation of actions against specific targets. Its not the matter of what your opinion is, its a matter of how you express yourself, the wording and phrasing you use.

Simply put, threats of violence aren't really welcome here in any form. The more specific the threat, the more harsh the punishment. I'm sure you won't have occasion to find out if you simply follow my advice and find less provocative ways of illustrating your point.

[Ralkovia]

Needed to save Greece from destruction by immigrants. However, their views on Jews trouble me.

[Souseiseki]

Needed to save Greece from destruction by immigrants. However, their views on Jews trouble me.

yes, they really need a bunch of fascists beating up people for having skin that's a bit too dark to save the nation from immigrants

in other news, ralkovia continues to struggle with the fact that the far-right hates him and he can never join their club, no matter how much he agrees with their dreams of ethnically pure states

[Scholencia]

Needed to save Greece from destruction by immigrants. However, their views on Jews trouble me.

I think that is just foklor. Officially, the Golden dawn dont use the Nazis as a rolemodel, in fact they are worhisping Metaxas (greek dicatotor who fought against the Italians in WW2) as a political rolemodel. I dont know if you know something about him...

Needed to save Greece from destruction by immigrants. However, their views on Jews trouble me.

yes, they really need a bunch of fascists beating up people for having skin that's a bit too dark to save the nation from immigrants

in other news, ralkovia continues to struggle with the fact that the far-right hates him and he can never join their club, no matter how much he agrees with their dreams of ethnically pure states

Golden dawn is elected by the people.

[Neu Leonstein]

Golden dawn is elected by the people.

Since when is that a justification for gangs of thugs walking around and beating up people? I mean, I have literally had (non-caucasian) friends tell they would not travel to Greece anymore. And if I'm going to be honest, I don't think I'd be comfortable at the moment going there either, since my girlfriend is not caucasian (and I happen to be German).

It's not surprising that an NSDAP equivalent would arise in a society that faces similar difficulties and a breakdown of the social order as the Weimar Republic. But the fact that the state stands idly by while these gangs terrorise people, just because some of their goons happen to be politicians now, is pretty shocking.

[Souseiseki]

Golden dawn is elected by the people.

but but but (some of the people) the people want the fascists to beat up korean tourists!!!

i'm torn between sort of understanding why you said that in response to my post and wondering why it matters