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Do you like them?

Yes,I wish my nation had such a party
11
8%
Yes,I wish they win elections in Greece
10
8%
Yes,I support their cause
5
4%
No,I do not support them
22
17%
No,and they should be illegal
4
3%
No,they are a bunch of xenophobic,fascist,nazi,hitlerlike,racist scum
64
48%
I AM THE ONE AND TRUE GOLDEN DAWN,FOOLISH MORTALS!!!
16
12%
 
Total votes : 132

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Golden Dawn in Greece

Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:11 pm

So I am sure a lot of you might have heard of the greek nationalist party named 'Golden Dawn'.Since their rally about Imia was a few days ago I decided to make this thread and see what NS thinks of them.
They used to be a nobody party but now are the 3d one in charts witt 13% of Greeks voting for them and the number keeps growing.The top place is a struggle bewteen SYRIZA and New Democracy with 20%

Personally I support them.I disagree with some of their nazi approaches but overall it is a party Greece desperately needs and I would vote for them.

So what is your opinion?
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:12 pm

Nationalism is as pathetic and poisonous as tribalism, but occasionally useful if you want to manipulate people large scale.
No, of course not. They never do tests. Not many real deeds either. Oh, conversation with your grandmother's shade in a darkened room, the odd love potion or two, but comes a doubter, why, then it's the wrong day, the planets are not in line, the entrails are not favorable, "we don't do tests"!
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Postby Stephania Incognita » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:13 pm

I don't think they should be banned, but what little I have read about them makes me inclined not to support them. Immigration issues aside, it sounds to me like they'd immediately remove Greece from the EU/Eurozone, and I'm not an economist but I think re-adopting the drachma while you still hold your debt in Euro is not an improvement over the current situation.

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Question, was this party involved in the prior Greek Civil war.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Khadgar wrote:Nationalism is as pathetic and poisonous as tribalism, but occasionally useful if you want to manipulate people large scale.

I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:17 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Nationalism is as pathetic and poisonous as tribalism, but occasionally useful if you want to manipulate people large scale.

I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.


Oh don't worry, the Tea Party will fill that niche. They seem to be absorbing all the other questionable content from the Republicans. Kind of cleansing in the long run I expect.
No, of course not. They never do tests. Not many real deeds either. Oh, conversation with your grandmother's shade in a darkened room, the odd love potion or two, but comes a doubter, why, then it's the wrong day, the planets are not in line, the entrails are not favorable, "we don't do tests"!
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Postby Risottia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:19 pm

If such a party took power here, that would give me the right and the duty to organize the armed resistance.
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Postby Central Shemiki » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:20 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Nationalism is as pathetic and poisonous as tribalism, but occasionally useful if you want to manipulate people large scale.

I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.



remember what happened to Hitler/Nazi party? it is doomed to fail. outlaw them.

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:21 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Question, was this party involved in the prior Greek Civil war.


Golden Dawn did not exist prior to 1980s and it only got popular in the last 2 years
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:25 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.


Oh don't worry, the Tea Party will fill that niche. They seem to be absorbing all the other questionable content from the Republicans. Kind of cleansing in the long run I expect.

The Tea Party isn't nationalist, they're libertardian.
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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:26 pm

Risottia wrote:If such a party took power here, that would give me the right and the duty to organize the armed resistance.

I'll join you.

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:28 pm

Central Shemiki wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.



remember what happened to Hitler/Nazi party? it is doomed to fail. outlaw them.


Last time I checked it got to power.

And guys Greece is not like the U.S.
Greece is an ethnos with a nation
U.S is simple a nation
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Postby Arglorand » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:28 pm

Divair wrote:
Risottia wrote:If such a party took power here, that would give me the right and the duty to organize the armed resistance.

I'll join you.

So will I.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:29 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Divair wrote:I'll join you.

So will I.


Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.74

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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:31 pm

DrakoBlaria wrote:Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?

Absolutely.

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 pm

Divair wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?

Absolutely.


How are you going to resist something that is not attacking you?
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.74

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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 pm

DrakoBlaria wrote:How are you going to resist something that is not attacking you?

By force. Have you not heard of such a concept?

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:34 pm

Divair wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:How are you going to resist something that is not attacking you?

By force. Have you not heard of such a concept?


Ok so hypotheticly such a party goes to power and you,for some reason,think that is threatening you.What kind of resistance by force will you do? Arm a bunch of people and start shooting GD members? And after that what will you do?
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:36 pm

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Arglorand wrote:So will I.


Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?

That's a weak argument. Lots of extremist parties were elected 'democratically'. That doesn't make resistance less justified.

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Postby Abatael » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:36 pm

I like them of very well, and I will be voting for them.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:37 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?

That's a weak argument. Lots of extremist parties were elected 'democratically'. That doesn't make resistance less justified.


I see your point.I just want to see what these 'rebels' would accomplist by 'resisting'
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When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
ABOUT ME:
Male, Greek Nationalist, Orthodox Christian, State Capitalist
EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:37 pm

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Ok so hypotheticly such a party goes to power and you,for some reason,think that is threatening you.What kind of resistance by force will you do? Arm a bunch of people and start shooting GD members? And after that what will you do?

I'm not the one leading the resistance. I don't have the experience to make such decisions. If the leadership of the opposition is competent, I'm saying I'd willingly join them.

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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:38 pm

Divair wrote:
Risottia wrote:If such a party took power here, that would give me the right and the duty to organize the armed resistance.

I'll join you.

Thirded.

Either way, they have a whole 18 seats in the Hellenic Parliament and one municipality that has a leader from that Party. I don't see the imminent threat.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:39 pm

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism and being overwhelmed with non-Greek immigrants which will destroy their proud culture.

Greece (and all Europe countries) need to leave the EU.
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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:39 pm

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:I'll join you.

Thirded.

Either way, they have a whole 18 seats in the Hellenic Parliament and one municipality that has a leader from that Party. I don't see the imminent threat.

Quite. They've gained some temporary popularity due to the economic crisis, but it'll be dead by the end of the decade.

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