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Postby Warinemachine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:24 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Bit of a media whore isn't he, just like his mother?

Being a media whore is the royal families job.

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Postby Reichsland » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:31 am

Hooray good for him. I shall now continue on with my life.
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Reichsland wrote:Hooray good for him. I shall now continue on with my life.

No you will pay Reverence to the military leader King, Prince.
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Reichsland wrote:Hooray good for him. I shall now continue on with my life.

No you will pay Reverence to the military leader King, Prince.


umm....how about no. I do quite like that decision.
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Reichsland wrote:Hooray good for him. I shall now continue on with my life.

No you will pay Reverence to the military leader King, Prince.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:08 pm

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Warinemachine wrote:maybe. Or maybe he will be both a general with earned rank and the king.

Honestly the only way your going to get the military to say fuck Parliament is to be a general with earned rank.


When The Queen proclaims one King and the Land proclaims another, who do the soldiers serve? Who do they follow? why, The man who pays them.

so yeah, the military without parliament last all of till next payday.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:25 pm

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greed and death wrote:Honestly the only way your going to get the military to say fuck Parliament is to be a general with earned rank.


When The Queen proclaims one King and the Land proclaims another, who do the soldiers serve? Who do they follow? why, The man who pays them.

so yeah, the military without parliament last all of till next payday.

" I as the black prince Harry will double your wages if you help me overthrow Parliament".

Also keep in mind that there is a timing issue, Harry would wait until a constitutional crisis preferable one where Parliament might be late in paying government workers.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:34 pm

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When The Queen proclaims one King and the Land proclaims another, who do the soldiers serve? Who do they follow? why, The man who pays them.

so yeah, the military without parliament last all of till next payday.

" I as the black prince Harry will double your wages if you help me overthrow Parliament".

Also keep in mind that there is a timing issue, Harry would wait until a constitutional crisis preferable one where Parliament might be late in paying government workers.


uh-huh. unfortunately the royal piggy bank doesn't quite cover £36 billion. which is the current defence bill. not the ballooned monstrosity your suggesting. and the King has no power to collect taxes.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:35 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
greed and death wrote:" I as the black prince Harry will double your wages if you help me overthrow Parliament".

Also keep in mind that there is a timing issue, Harry would wait until a constitutional crisis preferable one where Parliament might be late in paying government workers.


uh-huh. unfortunately the royal piggy bank doesn't quite cover £36 billion. which is the current defence bill. not the ballooned monstrosity your suggesting. and the King has no power to collect taxes.


Once Parliament has been shot, his majesty may levy taxes directly.
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greed and death wrote:
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uh-huh. unfortunately the royal piggy bank doesn't quite cover £36 billion. which is the current defence bill. not the ballooned monstrosity your suggesting. and the King has no power to collect taxes.


Once Parliament has been shot, his majesty may levy taxes directly.


:roll:

what do we say to taxation without representation boys?

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Postby Mkuki » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:47 pm

Tyrants wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21119727

Prince Harry shot at Taliban insurgents during his time as an Army helicopter pilot in Afghanistan, he says.

The prince, whose four-month deployment to the country has just ended, spoke about his role as an Apache co-pilot gunner, and whether he had killed.

"Yeah, so lots of people have. The squadron's been out here. Everyone's fired a certain amount," he said.

"If there's people trying to do bad stuff to our guys, then we'll take them out of the game."

Prince Harry left Afghanistan on Monday. News teams were allowed to interview him during his deployment, if they agreed to delay broadcast until he had left the country.

As well as discussing his role in Afghanistan, he talked about various other issues, including that he had "let my family down" when he was pictured naked in a Las Vegas hotel room last year.

He said this was "probably a classic example of me probably being too much Army and not enough prince."

But he added: "But at the end of the day I was in a private area and there should have been a certain amount of privacy that one should expect."

He also talked about:

[*]how being in Afghanistan is "as normal as it's going to get" for him, and even though "everyone has a good old gawp" in the canteen, "I'm one of the guys, I don't get treated any differently."
[*]how for him and his brother, Prince William, "our service towards our country in the military... will always come first"
[*]how he "can't wait to be an uncle", but hoped the Duchess of Cambridge would be allowed privacy during her pregnancy, adding: "I think it's very unfair that they were forced to publicise it when they were, but that's just the media for you."

On his role in Afghanistan, one journalist said: "You are the man with the trigger in your hand, and if called upon, you will fire, and presumably you have and you will kill the enemy?"

The prince responded: "Yeah, so lots of people have. The squadron's been out here. Everyone's fired a certain amount. Probably a little bit more than this time last year, to a certain extent, but that's just the way that its balanced out. Mainly due to weather, well whatever the reasons, I don't know.
"We fire when we have to, take a life to save a life, but essentially we're more of a deterrent than anything else."

He said missions to recover injured troops were a key role.

"Our job out here is to make sure the guys are safe on the ground.

"Now if that means shooting at someone who's shooting at them, then we'll do it."
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Prince Harry is the first member of the Royal Family to see active combat since his uncle, the Duke of York, fought in the Falklands War.

Captain Wales, as the prince is known in the military, arrived for his second tour as part of the 100-strong 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment, Army Air Corps in September.

Within days of arriving, Camp Bastion was attacked by Taliban insurgents. Prince Harry was moved under guard to a secure location during the attack.

Prince Harry said: "Obviously the papers back home were like 'this is all against me'. No-one really knows yet. But either way, this camp is in the middle of Afghanistan and it should be expected to be attacked at any point... and it was on my birthday, so it was a bit of a reality check."

His first tour was cut short in 2008 after 10 weeks because a media blackout was broken. He was removed from Afghanistan in case he became a target.

Then he was part of ground forces, calling in air strikes against enemy positions. He was disappointed to be withdrawn, and determined to return to front-line combat.

He said: "My choice would have been back out on the ground with my regiment - that sounds quite spoilt when I'm standing in front of this [helicopter, £45 million worth, but hopefully my friends and family back home know exactly what I'm talking about."
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He expressed support for his older brother, William, to serve in combat.

William currently flies search and rescue missions from RAF Valley on Anglesey.

"Obviously he'd love to be out here and I don't see why to be honest with you, I don't see why he couldn't.... no-one knows he's in the cockpit."

He added: "Yes, he'd get shot at but, you know, if the guys who are doing the same job as us are being shot at on the ground, I don't think there's anything wrong with us being shot at as well.

"People back home have issues with that, but we're not special - the guys out there are. Simple as that."

He also described how he juggled his different roles in life.

"You've got to be able to flick the switch all the time.

"I think I said a while back there's three 'me's, as it were. One in the army, one socially - my own private time - and one sort of with the family and stuff like that.

"So, you know, there is a switch and I flick it when necessary. And I like to think it's measured and balanced... Army comes first - it is my work at the end of the day."

So, do you think it's right for the royal family, especially those so far up in the succession, to be serving on the front line, or should they be back at home, being a figurehead for the people?

I personally commend what's he's been doing and I think he is much braver than I will ever be.

In my experience (book experience anyway) the nobility love to fight for the glory of their country (themselves).
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:52 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Once Parliament has been shot, his majesty may levy taxes directly.


:roll:

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Last time Parliament earned that right, you had a much more armed country.
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Postby San Leggera » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:56 pm

I don't see why one shouldn't serve in the military if they so wish merely because they're a member of a royal family.
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Personally, I'm convinced that Elizabeth is a Time Lord. There's no other explanation.

That would explain why The Doctor would want to put his TARDIS in her timey-wimey-space-void.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:59 pm

It is right for monarchs to serve in the military, as proud warriors fighting for their empire. All great kings have been warrior kings.
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greed and death wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
:roll:

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Last time Parliament earned that right, you had a much more armed country.
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from what? a hippie rabble under prince charles? a troop of cotswald cavalry under prince Anne? and prince Edward, a failed marine rollerskating down shaftsbury avenue followed by the cast of starlight express?
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Postby Castille de Italia » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:59 pm

Heard about him talking about how he killed a bunch of insurgents. Quite the man, I suppose. But, whatever Prince Harry wants to do, that's what Prince Harry will do. It's not like he'll get the throne. Plus, the fact that he's flying combat missions in Afghanistan has to be good publicity for the Royal Family, especially since he was photographed in the nude at a Las Vegas hotel last year...
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Postby Phocidaea » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:There's still a royal family?


Bizarrely, yes...

If I were the UK, I'd have abolished them by, like, 1900, but not all the world is so rational.
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Postby Aleckandor » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:01 pm

Phocidaea wrote:
Genivaria wrote:There's still a royal family?


Bizarrely, yes...

If I were the UK, I'd have abolished them by, like, 1900, but not all the world is so rational.


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Postby Mkuki » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:03 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They're mostly lizards these days.


Personally, I'm convinced that Elizabeth is a Time Lord. There's no other explanation.

Are all British Queens time lords? Elizabeth, Victoria, and now Elizabeth II. Is it a coincidence?
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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:04 pm

It dosent matter, queen elizabeth has made it clear that she will outlive him, his grand children, their greatgrandchildern and so on.

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Postby Phocidaea » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:13 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:It dosent matter, queen elizabeth has made it clear that she will outlive him, his grand children, their greatgrandchildern and so on.


This.

I always figured Charles would be dead before his mom, and given her current longevity it wouldn't surprise me if William and William Jr. and Harry all got the same treatment.

I think it's pretty obvious she's immortal.
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Postby AETEN II » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:18 pm

Phocidaea wrote:
Nova_Ravenna wrote:It dosent matter, queen elizabeth has made it clear that she will outlive him, his grand children, their greatgrandchildern and so on.


This.

I always figured Charles would be dead before his mom, and given her current longevity it wouldn't surprise me if William and William Jr. and Harry all got the same treatment.

I think it's pretty obvious she's immortal.

Nah. Castro's tougher. Eventually Elizabeth will wither up into a small, wrinkly ball and be entirely forgotten by the world.

By all means, Castro seems to have a supernatural force keeping his ass alive and un-assassinated.
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uh-huh. unfortunately the royal piggy bank doesn't quite cover £36 billion. which is the current defence bill. not the ballooned monstrosity your suggesting. and the King has no power to collect taxes.


Once Parliament has been shot, his majesty may levy taxes directly.


Problem, though (well, one of several) - the army only exists because Parliament gives its approval to its continuing existence every five years.

Without Parliament the army...expires no more than five years from the date of the last Armed Forces Act. It ceases to exist. Is is an ex-army.

So, yeah.

I mean, that's the least of the worries, I guess.
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Postby Phocidaea » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:20 pm

AETEN II wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:
This.

I always figured Charles would be dead before his mom, and given her current longevity it wouldn't surprise me if William and William Jr. and Harry all got the same treatment.

I think it's pretty obvious she's immortal.

Nah. Castro's tougher. Eventually Elizabeth will wither up into a small, wrinkly ball and be entirely forgotten by the world.

By all means, Castro seems to have a supernatural force keeping his ass alive and un-assassinated.


I would say he's sustained by the power of authoritarianism, but then that didn't save KJI, who, if anything, was much worse.

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