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Silent Majority
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Postby Silent Majority » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:10 am

Personally, I find NSG to be quite informative. There is a diversity of opinion here that simply doesn't exist in the news or in the social media I reluctantly use.There are also a handful of posters who are very good at analysis, and their posts are just as good, if not better, than any editorial pieces I'd find elsewhere.


It also gives me an opportunity to discuss things that my friends really aren't interested in discussing, namely politics and other world affairs.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:Yep, trolling


Are you trollnaming yourself?


...*consults the rules in case that would make a humorous case*

It actually doesn't say that it has to be ANOTHER poster you trollname, but I suspect that'd be rules lawyering.
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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:Yep, trolling


Are you trollnaming yourself?

No, I'm trying to see how long it takes to get reported to moderation for making a joke. :p
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 am

I just want a place to show off how many imaginary PhD's I have.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 am

My faith in humanity is not shattered enough.

And now I know more about American politics than Indian politics.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 am

Norstal wrote:We used to have posters like TCT, posters who would provide valuable information that makes us more aware. But those posters tend to be ignored, drowned out by others who just goes "NUH-HUH, YOU'RE WRONG." Same goes for ASB, which is probably why he posts rarely now days. Course, TCT was probably here more for the RP and that he's busy. Still, it seems that circle-jerks are more prevalent. It gets especially bad when you see a post making the argument that you want to make.

So, I just go here for personal amusement. For the "lulz" as you'd put it. And yes, I go to 4chan, among other places.

There have always been plenty of posters like that. More, even, back on Jolt. I remember precious few threads on Jolt that *weren't* dogpiles.
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Postby Shard_Head » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:12 am

Arguing for the sake of arguing. It's cathartic.

Although I wonder if staring into the shitty posting abyss for too long will have negative effects.

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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:12 am

For something to do to waste time when I'm waiting for other things to come along.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.
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Postby Hippostania » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:13 am

I want to state my opinion and possibly argue with people that disagree with me/I disagree with. Simple as that.
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Postby Warshania » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:13 am

I post to share opinions/ideas and argue.

Sometimes out of boredom.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:13 am

Nadkor wrote:but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

Really? I thought we had some chemistry :(

Maybe it's the heroin.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:14 am

Nadkor wrote:For something to do to waste time when I'm waiting for other things to come along.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

As someone who has learned quite a bit on NSG, got into several authors and philosophers because of recommendations here, had my opinions changed and my arguments 'sharpened', so to speak, even if it didn't apply to anyone else on here, certainly all of that is something else.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:14 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The discussion itself is the purpose.
But the discussion has other effects which make it a worthwhile purpose.
Entertainment is one of them, but also training the mind and such, and it can educate people on a few random bits of information. If we've altered the way someone has voted at all in an election, then you also have to ask "What's the importance of a single vote?" which is a whole other quagmire.

I'll re-iterate my question posed in the previous thread; do you think if every citizen of a nation devoted some of their time to discuss matters of politics, philosophy, theology, and morality, that the nation would be better off as a result?

If so, is it important to do so even if every citizen does not?

This was especially important during the elections. Some people didn't even know what they were voting for. But there were only a few people who actually contributes to me learning about the elections. Most of it was either circle jerks or bad jokes.
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Postby Tarvelia » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:16 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:16 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nadkor wrote:For something to do to waste time when I'm waiting for other things to come along.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

As someone who has learned quite a bit on NSG, got into several authors and philosophers because of recommendations here, had my opinions changed and my arguments 'sharpened', so to speak, even if it didn't apply to anyone else on here, certainly all of that is something else.


I used to be a rabid stalinist. (Though I suspect at the time I would have denied this.)
Then NSG happened. Now i'm not. It got me to start taking my atheism seriously and prodded me into Hitchens and all his work.
I've started thinking in actually moral ways instead of just assuming what people told me was bad was bad etc.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:17 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:There's a purpose?

Yep, trolling

The North Polish Union wrote:No, no. I wasn't very clear about that. The purpose is to troll until your almost banned, then wait a few weeks, and then come back. It's pretty much the same in any online forum.

:eyebrow:

Worth noting that warnings don't expire for six months, and the warning history remains accessible to the moderators forever.

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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:17 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nadkor wrote:For something to do to waste time when I'm waiting for other things to come along.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

As someone who has learned quite a bit on NSG, got into several authors and philosophers because of recommendations here, had my opinions changed and my arguments 'sharpened', so to speak, even if it didn't apply to anyone else on here, certainly all of that is something else.


It's entirely possible to learn stuff while wasting time. Entirely. But that doesn't mean that you weren't doing whatever activity you were doing when you learned those things out of any motivation other than to waste time.

When I'm bored I can sit and read Wikipedia for hours and learn about many things, but if someone asked me if I was doing anything important the answer would be "no", and if someone asked me if I was just killing time the answer, undoubtedly, would be "yes".
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:17 am

Knowledge of the vaguest possible topics. I mean, where else would I be forced to read the whole wiki article on the Winter War just to prove a point?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:18 am

Norstal wrote:I used to think NSG was for intellectual debates, but I get more out of that by watching cat videos than posting in here lately. It becomes a circle-jerk when you have too much people who are like-minded or have otherwise stupid bullshit beliefs like creationism.

What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

Can this be our new phrase to end everything with? :p
What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:18 am

It's an opportunity to bring together some of the greatest minds on the internet and hash out the really important topics of the day so that we might benefit the world and bring about a great change.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:19 am

Nadkor wrote:It's entirely possible to learn stuff while wasting time. Entirely. But that doesn't mean that you weren't doing whatever activity you were doing when you learned those things out of any motivation other than to waste time.

When I'm bored I can sit and read Wikipedia for hours and learn about many things, but if someone asked me if I was doing anything important the answer would be "no", and if someone asked me if I was just killing time the answer, undoubtedly, would be "yes".

Ah, then there's been a misunderstanding between us. Still, informing oneself on matters of history, recent events, philosophy, etc, is not important?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:19 am

Genivaria wrote:
Norstal wrote:I used to think NSG was for intellectual debates, but I get more out of that by watching cat videos than posting in here lately. It becomes a circle-jerk when you have too much people who are like-minded or have otherwise stupid bullshit beliefs like creationism.

What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

Can this be our new phrase to end everything with? :p
What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

Don't make it another "Carthage must be destroyed".

Which is still in my sig because I'm far too lazy to change it.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:It's an opportunity to bring together some of the greatest minds on the internet and hash out the really important topics of the day so that we might benefit the world and bring about a great change.

Is this before or after the sex jokes about bonobos?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:Knowledge of the vaguest possible topics. I mean, where else would I be forced to read the whole wiki article on the Winter War just to prove a point?


Those are always the best arguments.

Nadkor wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:As someone who has learned quite a bit on NSG, got into several authors and philosophers because of recommendations here, had my opinions changed and my arguments 'sharpened', so to speak, even if it didn't apply to anyone else on here, certainly all of that is something else.


It's entirely possible to learn stuff while wasting time. Entirely. But that doesn't mean that you weren't doing whatever activity you were doing when you learned those things out of any motivation other than to waste time.

When I'm bored I can sit and read Wikipedia for hours and learn about many things, but if someone asked me if I was doing anything important the answer would be "no", and if someone asked me if I was just killing time the answer, undoubtedly, would be "yes".


I regard self-improvement as important.
What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Can this be our new phrase to end everything with? :p
What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

Don't make it another "Carthage must be destroyed".

Which is still in my sig because I'm far too lazy to change it.

Your sig is a disgrace.

It'd even warrant a whole new thread just to discuss how horrible it is.

:p

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