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Should incest be legal?

Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships.
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Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships and get married.
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Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships, get married and have children.
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No, absolutely not.
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Total votes : 411

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Postby Zottistan » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:12 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Except that that evidence isn't relevant to modern society.

Were they not human? Were the Royals truly deities?

No, they were human. They were humans who existed in circumstances that no longer exist.
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Postby Tunasai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:14 pm

Thats disgusting, no, just no

I don't care how bad you want it but having sex with a family member is so disgusting and wrong it should remain illegal forever. Same goes for bestiality
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Postby Punton » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:14 pm

This is definitely a red topic so there's going to be some strong opinions here. To each their own.

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Postby Zimmer Twins » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:15 pm

I say as long as it's done in the privacy of a house its fine.
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Postby Rhodesiya » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:15 pm

I am fine with same-sex incest relationships since there is no risk of defective children coming out of them.

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Postby Scandza » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm

It shouldn't be legalized, but it shouldn't be illegal per se. I find it disgusting, but that is just how I feel about the subject. Especially when it's a father abusing his daughters, which I find extremely horrifying.

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Postby Wonder bread Inc » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm

Sure; if you want birth defects go right ahead...

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm

Tunasai wrote:Thats disgusting, no, just no

I don't care how bad you want it but having sex with a family member is so disgusting and wrong it should remain illegal forever. Same goes for bestiality

I find you disgusting; so you should be banned.
Same logic.
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Postby Tunasai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:17 pm

Zimmer Twins wrote:I say as long as it's done in the privacy of a house its fine.


Its not like sex in general is a public thing you know?
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:17 pm

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Gravlen wrote:The OP seems to be worried about some kind of "floodgate" effect. I don't see that happening.

Without data, I can make no suppositions. People used to think that intermarriage would cause "Hell on EarthTM", and we had no real data to disprove the notion. I tend towards rational evidence based arguments for or against things, and in this case the best evidence we have is European Royalty.

Incest between consenting adults is not prohibited in, among others, France, Belgium, Spain, Russia, Netherlands, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, Israel, India, and Turkey.

I don't see any "Hell on Earth" stemming from those countries on these grounds.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:17 pm

Zottistan wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Were they not human? Were the Royals truly deities?

No, they were human. They were humans who existed in circumstances that no longer exist.

Right. The children they had, and the issues those children faced are completely different, because those children are not human. Or something.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:18 pm

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Zottistan wrote:No, they were human. They were humans who existed in circumstances that no longer exist.

Right. The children they had, and the issues those children faced are completely different, because those children are not human. Or something.

Of course they aren't.
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Postby Tunasai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:18 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Tunasai wrote:Thats disgusting, no, just no

I don't care how bad you want it but having sex with a family member is so disgusting and wrong it should remain illegal forever. Same goes for bestiality

I find you disgusting; so you should be banned.
Same logic.


Thats discrimination (making incest illegal isn't as it doesn't deal with race, just immoral acts, like murder), now if I said I was part of an ethnic group that wasn't white, this would really backfire on you

Fine, go participate in incest sex, when your children are all defective and your in jail, you will have gotten what you deserve.
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Postby Tunasai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:19 pm

Rhodesiya wrote:I am fine with same-sex incest relationships since there is no risk of defective children coming out of them.


This statement is probably driving Evangelical social conservatives up-the-wall
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Postby The Holy Twig » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:20 pm

I have no problem with incestuous relations, so long as both of the participants are consenting adults. I'll call it disgusting, look away, and very probably shudder out of my skin, but who am I to tell Oedipus what he can/can't do with another consenting adult?

To say that it incest should be criminal would be hypocritical of me. Myself being a libertarian, I can't tell someone that they're not allowed to do something that doesn't harm anyone just because it disgusts me.
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Postby Scandza » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:20 pm

Tunasai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I find you disgusting; so you should be banned.
Same logic.


Thats discrimination [...]

Bullshit. Just because someone doesn't like you it is discrimination? Show me, then, were he has discriminated against you by pointing the flaws in your logic.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:20 pm

Yes. Sure, there are problems that come with having incestuous children, but then, should we also ban people with inheritable diseases from having children?
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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Yea, no.
What ever two consenting organisms do is their business.
This whole nonsense about genetic disease is nonsense firstly because we don't ban marriage between two people with faulty DNA that increase chances of disease (or else human race would go extinct quite fast) and secondly because it is over hyped.

In the end, it comes down to "I find it icky".

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Tunasai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I find you disgusting; so you should be banned.
Same logic.


Thats discrimination, now if I said I was part of an ethnic group that wasn't white, this would really backfire on you

Mind explaining how what I said is in any way different logically to what you said.
You find incest disgusting so it should be banned.
I find you disgusting so you should be banned.

Tunasai wrote:Fine, go participate in incest sex,

No thanks.

Tunasai wrote:when your children are all defective.

With exception of parent-child or sibling-sibling relation: chances of genetic disease on offspring is 4.4%.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 pm

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Zottistan wrote:No, they were human. They were humans who existed in circumstances that no longer exist.

Right. The children they had, and the issues those children faced are completely different, because those children are not human. Or something.

Because there is no reason to believe that legalizing incest today would lead to generations of interbreeding. Incest is legal in many jurisdictions and it doesn't seem a problem. Pointing out a highly specific group from a historic period of a particular class and calling it evidence of anything is laughable.
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Postby Tunasai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Scandza wrote:
Tunasai wrote:
Thats discrimination [...]

Bullshit. Just because someone doesn't like you it is discrimination? Show me, then, were he has discriminated against you by pointing the flaws in your logic.


If you were smart you would see he said "I find you disgusting; so you should be banned"

The quoted statement is targetted specifically at "banning" me which is discrimination. Taking all logic from his comparison
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:22 pm

Yes, it should totally be legal.
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Postby Scandza » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:23 pm

Tunasai wrote:
Scandza wrote:Bullshit. Just because someone doesn't like you it is discrimination? Show me, then, were he has discriminated against you by pointing the flaws in your logic.


If you were smart you would see he said "I find you disgusting; so you should be banned"

It was copying what you stated to point out where your logic failed. Attack the post, not the poster.

Tunasai wrote:The quoted statement is targetted specifically at "banning" me which is discrimination. Taking all logic from his comparison

And you're discriminating against those who would participate in incest.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:23 pm

Chinamerica wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Yea, no.
What ever two consenting organisms do is their business.
This whole nonsense about genetic disease is nonsense firstly because we don't ban marriage between two people with faulty DNA that increase chances of disease (or else human race would go extinct quite fast) and secondly because it is over hyped.

In the end, it comes down to "I find it icky".

You didn't get As in science, did you?

I did and also in English.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:24 pm

People are naturally averse to incest. Legislating against incest is like legislating that everyone needs to eat three meals a day.
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