US weighing military options if Syria uses WMD

[Choronzon]

Thank you.



Well...yeah. So do most states. Thats kind of what they do.

What, you think Iran is just backing Assad out of the goodness of their hearts?

No...? I'm not approving of the Assad regime, its actions or its backers. I believe it's an evil institution that needs to and probably will fall. The only thing I'm worried about is the government that replaces it. There are elements within the rebel movement that do share a western-friendly ideology, and I do hope they come out on top, but looking at history, armed revolutions aren't known for allowing the moderates to get into power once the former regime is ousted.

I understand your viewpoint, and I wasn't attacking it. I just was explaining why I don't hold it against the Saudi's for seeking to expand their influence, regardless of how detrimental and corrosive their influence is.

[Akadia North]

Indeed. The United $nakes, as the principal leader of the kkkapitalist First World, is the primary exploiter and warmonger in the world. All of its politicians take orders from corporations. Hence, the Republican and Democratic party are no different, as they are both capitalist puppets who seek to further the capitalists' agenda of war, death, and destruction.

I laughed.

[Fellrike]

I agree, al Assad's assurances aren't worth dirt. He's just trying to portray himself as the defender of Syrian sovereignty, against the meddling foreigners responsible for his country's troubles.
As far as a democratic or representative government arising to replace al Assad after this is over, forget it. It's not going to happen. But the FSA and other factions that were armed and funded by the Saudis, Gulf Arabs and Turks aren't going to be able to forget the debts they owe, especially if they expect to receive any more money. And postwar Syria will require a big infusion of foreign aid as it struggles to rebuild.
What are Hezbollah and Iran, their adversaries, likely to do? They backed the losing side, and this is going to be hard for Syrians to forget. But I don't think they'll be ready to let Syria fall into the Saudi/GCC political orbit without a fight. There'll still be bands of armed fighters in Syria, foreign mujahideen as well as local Salafists, who despise the corrupt, effete Gulf monarchies, and who need arms and money badly enough to accept help from anyone, even the Shia.

[Shofercia]

I agree, al Assad's assurances aren't worth dirt. He's just trying to portray himself as the defender of Syrian sovereignty, against the meddling foreigners responsible for his country's troubles.
As far as a democratic or representative government arising to replace al Assad after this is over, forget it. It's not going to happen. But the FSA and other factions that were armed and funded by the Saudis, Gulf Arabs and Turks aren't going to be able to forget the debts they owe, especially if they expect to receive any more money. And postwar Syria will require a big infusion of foreign aid as it struggles to rebuild.
What are Hezbollah and Iran, their adversaries, likely to do? They backed the losing side, and this is going to be hard for Syrians to forget. But I don't think they'll be ready to let Syria fall into the Saudi/GCC political orbit without a fight. There'll still be bands of armed fighters in Syria, foreign mujahideen as well as local Salafists, who despise the corrupt, effete Gulf monarchies, and who need arms and money badly enough to accept help from anyone, even the Shia.

The thing about his assurances about WMDs, is that we'll know when he breaks them. There's a reason that WMDs are called WMDs.

[Hippostania]

Thank you non-interventionists! We could still prevent this, but nawww, it's not our job! Let's just enjoy the agony of the Syrian people dying because of Sarin because MUH NON-INTERVENTIONISM is much more important than human dignity.

[Sorventide]

The thing I'm most worried about is more vague goals à la Iraq 2003. It doesn't seem like the US can afford to get bogged down in another shithole for reasons nobody barring Fox News can decipher.

[North American Soviet]

Ah a rerun of Bush how nice.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Ah a rerun of Bush how nice.

Explain.

[North American Soviet]

Dude if you need this explained you clearly have no idea the world you live in, no i am not explaining this thing that is so simple so trivial that you have to live in a cave not to know.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Dude if you need this explained you clearly have no idea the world you live in, no i am not explaining this thing that is so simple so trivial that you have to live in a cave not to know.

No, I know exactly what you're getting at.
I'd just rather you not get away with a single snide little one-liner in what's supposed to be a thread where actual IDEAS get debated.

[Khodoristan]

Dude if you need this explained you clearly have no idea the world you live in, no i am not explaining this thing that is so simple so trivial that you have to live in a cave not to know.

The only thing indicative of cave-dwelling is your atrocious grammar.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Thank you non-interventionists! We could still prevent this, but nawww, it's not our job! Let's just enjoy the agony of the Syrian people dying because of Sarin because MUH NON-INTERVENTIONISM is much more important than human dignity.

You do realize your source didn't offer any proof, right?

[Zohai]

The west/US should have intervened a long time ago. If Assad uses WMDs it's quite fucking obvious that they have no choice but to intervene.

[Sulamalik]

The west/US should have intervened a long time ago. If Assad uses WMDs it's quite fucking obvious that they have no choice but to intervene.

I assume you'll be leading the vanguard?

[Yankee Empire]

If it takes place some time next year, I and "The Grand World Order" will be.

[Khodoristan]

I agree, al Assad's assurances aren't worth dirt. He's just trying to portray himself as the defender of Syrian sovereignty, against the meddling foreigners responsible for his country's troubles.
As far as a democratic or representative government arising to replace al Assad after this is over, forget it. It's not going to happen. But the FSA and other factions that were armed and funded by the Saudis, Gulf Arabs and Turks aren't going to be able to forget the debts they owe, especially if they expect to receive any more money. And postwar Syria will require a big infusion of foreign aid as it struggles to rebuild.
What are Hezbollah and Iran, their adversaries, likely to do? They backed the losing side, and this is going to be hard for Syrians to forget. But I don't think they'll be ready to let Syria fall into the Saudi/GCC political orbit without a fight. There'll still be bands of armed fighters in Syria, foreign mujahideen as well as local Salafists, who despise the corrupt, effete Gulf monarchies, and who need arms and money badly enough to accept help from anyone, even the Shia.

The thing about his assurances about WMDs, is that we'll know when he breaks them. There's a reason that WMDs are called WMDs.

TBH, I'm more worried about Wahabbis filtering in then Al-Assad breaking out the WMDs. Though the use of WMDs is certainly a very real prospect.

[Khodoristan]

Really? Show me where these sites are located. Can you? You can't, can you? Because they are in the middle of the freakin desert. As I said before, isolated from major population centers so if the Israelis struck, the chemical weapons would be spread out far enough to prevent their total destruction. Spread out, away from cities, away from people.

Do you know how far the winds can spread this shit? Sarin can last for weeks before it degrades.

These are not people, they are dogs. When you kill and murder for shits-and-gigoos, you are a dog. And dogs get put down.

Most of these men aren't hardened sociopaths, they're just soldiers, fighting a war that some believe in and some don't. And yes, dogs get put down, not tortured. Does the difference escape you?

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

[New Rogernomics]

Drop a giant Christmas present on Assad's house, squashing him, and in an ultimate act of irony give Syria an early Christmas present.

[Sulamalik]

Do you know how far the winds can spread this shit? Sarin can last for weeks before it degrades.

Most of these men aren't hardened sociopaths, they're just soldiers, fighting a war that some believe in and some don't. And yes, dogs get put down, not tortured. Does the difference escape you?

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

If you're so callus in regards to human life, why do you care at all? A civil war in a small, poor, country, a thousand miles away hardly effects you, at least I'd imagine.

[Conserative Morality]

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

It is only those who believe that we are animals who are themselves animals. Men rise above such pettiness, the cruelty and misery of nature.

[New Rogernomics]

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

If you're so callus in regards to human life, why do you care at all? A civil war in a small, poor, country, a thousand miles away hardly effects you, I'd imagine.

Probably in the same way that former administrations of the UK, US,etc cared when they turned a virtual blind eye to Saddam when they were best buddies, even selling him chemical/biological weapons; which he latter used against the Iranians and then the Kurds.

[Khodoristan]

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

If you're so callus in regards to human life, why do you care at all? A civil war in a small, poor, country, a thousand miles away hardly effects you, at least I'd imagine.

Nope. No care ever. Vanflip x1000.

[Khodoristan]

War strips you of any vestiges of humanity. Humans are animals, despite the bullshit that we say otherwise. This notion that people are anything more is pedantic and ignorant. There is nothing even remotely human about genocide, war rape, and the like.

'Send grid reference. Firing on this grid reference, fire for effect. Shot. Splash. Rounds complete, out.'

16 words later, and an entire school or hospital has been razed. No survivors.

Who knew, or better yet, who cares?

Call me a misanthrope, but these 'soldiers' are animals, human animals. And more precisely, targets. And targets will be destroyed regardless of their situation, their 'families', their 'loved ones', and all the other banal terms to describe their piece of shit acquaintances.

It is only those who believe that we are animals who are themselves animals. Men rise above such pettiness, the cruelty and misery of nature.

Pfft, please. And you want me to believe the only thing separating us from apes is the fact that we can 'transcend out circumstances.'?

No. Men are animals. They deserve to die like animals.

[Sulamalik]

I think in modern, western, society, we have given cynicism far greater respect than it deserves. Misanthrope is easy, it's things like hope and faith that are harder to deal with, and ultimately, they are the ideas which makes this world a better place. We should never confuse wisdom with cynicism, 'cause all it leads to are one liners on an internet forum.

[Khodoristan]

I think in modern, western, society, we have given cynicism far greater respect than it deserves. Misanthrope is easy, it's things like hope and faith that are harder to deal with, and ultimately, what makes this world a better place. We should never confuse wisdom with cynicism, 'cause all it leads to are one liners on an internet forum.

It takes all the wisdom in the world to realize that humans are not special. At all. They live on their hands and knees, eat and sleep and fuck, and then die. Just like animals.

I think in modern, western, society, we have given optimism far greater respect than it deserves. Positivity is easy, it's things like failure and death that are harder to deal with, and ultimately, what makes this planet actually what it is-a planet, a rocky sphere in the middle of a cold, dark vacuum, devoid of life, warmth and comfort. We should never confuse reality with fantasy, 'cause all it leads to are one liners on an internet forum...and the self-extermination of an entire race.